What is your thought of what the canucks should do? should we tank or consider shopping guys and pick up via waviers.

[Brocklovich]

If the club is struggling along and Henrik / Miller are out for an extended period of time then it only makes sense by the TDL to move some players for prospects / picks and attempt to get yourself a better pick come june.

Its pretty unfortunate that Hamhuis got hurt and is out for awhile as I'd say he is a guy that could do what Vermette did last year (traded for a late 1st + prospect, unless this is over valuing Hamhuis).

If I was Benning I'd look at moving these pieces:
 

Hamhuis -> Late 1st + Prospect, if this is over valuing then maybe a 2nd + prospect or just a good prospect. Figured a 1st wouldn't be out of the question come TDL and he potentially puts a contender over the top. Not really sure where he could go, MAYBE the Islanders since they are looking at moving Hamonic maybe Hamhuis would be appealing.

Burrows ->2nd / 3rd. I'd hate to move this guy as he is a Canuck through & through but at this point having Guance or Grenier up to play on the 3rd (move Hansen up on the 1st line) seems beneficial to the team & player (can those guys handle that spot) doubt they have the space but wonder if NYR would be a club interested in reuniting Burrows with AV.

Vrbata -> 1st rounder. If he can get on a bit of a streak and pot around 15 goals I believe this would be fair value, again to a contending club that has asperations to go far into the post season adding a Vrbata could round out their scoring and put them over the top. Nashville might be a decent trading partner to flesh out their attack a bit more, although not sure how much interest / if Poile would be keen on flipping a 1st for Vrbata.

 

Edler is kind of in no mans land. Not sure Benning could get the full / proper value for him and it is doubtful he would waive his NTC. Its not a bad thing to have to 'keep' Edler around considering he wants to be here.

 

Higgins -> 4th / 5th - attempt to recoup the 5th we traded to MTL for Prust

Prust ->5th - again attempt to recoup the 5th we traded for him. Nothing against the guy but pending UFA, might be useful to a team looking to add a solid 4th line grinder / PK specialist.

Obviously not all of these guys will get moved but I believe that if Benning & Co. felt that this draft was more loaded compared to 2015 then it makes more sense to make some of these moves to bring in additional picks to fill the cupboard up. Main issue that he has is NTCs / NMCs but if a guy has a shot at a cup I'd have to believe they would take a shot at it over playing out the stretch on a team that is (most likely) out of a playoff spot and obviously looking at going younger anyway

[smithers joe]

11 hours ago, pomorick said:

I am going to guess that you didn't finish high school and don't work in a technical or professional job. Deep thinking is not something you ever engage in is it?

ditch digger since grade two...you hit it right on the head.

[smokes]

6 hours ago, Brocklovich said:

If the club is struggling along and Henrik / Miller are out for an extended period of time then it only makes sense by the TDL to move some players for prospects / picks and attempt to get yourself a better pick come june.

Its pretty unfortunate that Hamhuis got hurt and is out for awhile as I'd say he is a guy that could do what Vermette did last year (traded for a late 1st + prospect, unless this is over valuing Hamhuis).

If I was Benning I'd look at moving these pieces:
 

Hamhuis -> Late 1st + Prospect, if this is over valuing then maybe a 2nd + prospect or just a good prospect. Figured a 1st wouldn't be out of the question come TDL and he potentially puts a contender over the top. Not really sure where he could go, MAYBE the Islanders since they are looking at moving Hamonic maybe Hamhuis would be appealing.

Burrows ->2nd / 3rd. I'd hate to move this guy as he is a Canuck through & through but at this point having Guance or Grenier up to play on the 3rd (move Hansen up on the 1st line) seems beneficial to the team & player (can those guys handle that spot) doubt they have the space but wonder if NYR would be a club interested in reuniting Burrows with AV.

Vrbata -> 1st rounder. If he can get on a bit of a streak and pot around 15 goals I believe this would be fair value, again to a contending club that has asperations to go far into the post season adding a Vrbata could round out their scoring and put them over the top. Nashville might be a decent trading partner to flesh out their attack a bit more, although not sure how much interest / if Poile would be keen on flipping a 1st for Vrbata.

 

Edler is kind of in no mans land. Not sure Benning could get the full / proper value for him and it is doubtful he would waive his NTC. Its not a bad thing to have to 'keep' Edler around considering he wants to be here.

 

Higgins -> 4th / 5th - attempt to recoup the 5th we traded to MTL for Prust

Prust ->5th - again attempt to recoup the 5th we traded for him. Nothing against the guy but pending UFA, might be useful to a team looking to add a solid 4th line grinder / PK specialist.

Obviously not all of these guys will get moved but I believe that if Benning & Co. felt that this draft was more loaded compared to 2015 then it makes more sense to make some of these moves to bring in additional picks to fill the cupboard up. Main issue that he has is NTCs / NMCs but if a guy has a shot at a cup I'd have to believe they would take a shot at it over playing out the stretch on a team that is (most likely) out of a playoff spot and obviously looking at going younger anyway

When was the last time a team delt out 6 players on one trade deadline?

[clam linguine]

On 12/17/2015 at 1:12 AM, hammertime said:

 

Then burn this %$&#er to the ground between now and next year move Vrbata, Higgins, Prust, Dorsett, Edler, Webber.

That leaves us with a good leadership group of players who are hard to play against and have fought in the trenches.

Sedins --------------------

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Is there anyone on this board with guts.  LETS BURN IT DOWN!!!   Firstly,,,,WE KEEP THE SEDINS....omg.

Here's a newsflash....they are the problem.  Nice guys finish last, and that's what they are.  What are they going to teach the young guys other than how to get their asses kicked. They aren't going to teach them how to play hockey because they play a crazy game with Chinese water torture tactics that suits only themselves.  

Then there is the fact that they only play with each other.  Watch and learn boys...ya right.   

How nice it would be to see them gone at the deadline to a marginal playoff team for a couple first rounders.

[CanadianRugby]

I have a prediction how these next few seasons will go. 

We maintain a crappy team that either makes the playoffs and gets promptly embarrassed again, or misses the playoffs but not by enough to get a top end pick.  We basically turn into what the Leafs were forever.  We keep adding players that keep us from being truly horrible.

After a couple of seasons of this, the GM gets fired.

Sedins retire.  New GM does what this one should have done last year.  Rebuild by drafting in top 3. 

Or, I'm completely wrong and Baertchi and Cassels are the next Lemieux and Jagr.. who knows.  But yeah, I hate the direction this team is going.  Aiming for the middle. 

[clam linguine]

On 12/20/2015 at 5:59 PM, Lulover88 said:

if the twins are your second line playing behind a bona fide 1st line, you are a stanley cup contender ..   

1 great player can make a difference in this case .   

we need to continue drafting character guys wherever we pick em and hope that if we do draft high, the kid turns out to be a super star 

That's right. There is a team out there on the fringe that could win the cup if they got the Sedins. We should  let them go there. We get enough back to set up our franchise for the future, and the Sedins get another real shot at the cup they deserve.

[RonMexico]

36 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

I have a prediction how these next few seasons will go. 

We maintain a crappy team that either makes the playoffs and gets promptly embarrassed again, or misses the playoffs but not by enough to get a top end pick.  We basically turn into what the Leafs were forever.  We keep adding players that keep us from being truly horrible.

After a couple of seasons of this, the GM gets fired.

Sedins retire.  New GM does what this one should have done last year.  Rebuild by drafting in top 3. 

Or, I'm completely wrong and Baertchi and Cassels are the next Lemieux and Jagr.. who knows.  But yeah, I hate the direction this team is going.  Aiming for the middle. 

You need some sunshine in your life. Too bad that only happens in Prince Rupert 6 times per year.

[THERETOOL]

21 hours ago, clam linguine said:

That's right. There is a team out there on the fringe that could win the cup if they got the Sedins. We should  let them go there. We get enough back to set up our franchise for the future, and the Sedins get another real shot at the cup they deserve.

let them go ?????      THEY DONT WANT TO GO !!!!!     and they have earned the right to stay !!  they have a NO TRADE CLAUSE !!  

 

Im not calling you stupid but seriously ???  how long till people here get that the sedins are not going to leave or get traded ? 

 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO .. 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO 

 

thats about as redundant as you folks saying we should trade them 

[theminister]

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated....this was always a transition year. We've had major changes with the promise to have more in the next few months. It was always this  

It was not the plan to tank, never will be, but let the chips fall where they may. It was intended to let all of the players, vets and kids, determine their standing in the eyes of management. Evaluation. Reassess.

Yes, we've had some injuries and adversity while new players learn to adjust to their roles and the systems. However, just like watching a single game...you can often tell more about a player in the dying 3rd of a 5-2 loss than you can in a 5-2 win...how the players, ALL the players, show in the tough times is how you determine if they'll be around for the good times to come.

If you can't compete night in and night out for a struggling team then you aren't the type of player to turn the ship around. These games are just as interesting to me as when we were winning Pres trophies  

 

[clam linguine]

26 minutes ago, Lulover88 said:

let them go ?????      THEY DONT WANT TO GO !!!!!     and they have earned the right to stay !!  they have a NO TRADE CLAUSE !!  

 

Im not calling you stupid but seriously ???  how long till people here get that the sedins are not going to leave or get traded ? 

 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO .. 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO 

THEY DONT WANT TO GO 

 

thats about as redundant as you folks saying we should trade them 

Maybe they will change their minds. And I will never give up on the hope that this team can make moves to improve itself. Its good that you aren't calling me stupid  because I think we both know that saying anyone is untradeable, anywhere, is incorrect. I wont bother giving examples. NEVER give up hope!

Ok...I can't help it...NO TRADE CLAUSE!!!...be serious.

[theminister]

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated....this was always a transition year. We've had major changes with the promise to have more in the next few months. It was always this  

It was not the plan to tank, never will be, but let the chips fall where they may. It was intended to let all of the players, vets and kids, determine their standing in the eyes of management. Evaluation. Reassess.

Yes, we've had some injuries and adversity while new players learn to adjust to their roles and the systems. However, just like watching a single game...you can often tell more about a player in the dying 3rd of a 5-2 loss than you can in a 5-2 win...how the players, ALL the players, show in the tough times is how you determine if they'll be around for the good times to come.

If you can't compete night in and night out for a struggling team then you aren't the type of player to turn the ship around. These games are just as interesting to me as when we were winning Pres trophies  

 

[chickenman92]

Though call, I hate the word "tank". I think it screams of giving up and I don't think a team should ever give up.

But would I like to see trades made, veterans sent packing and youth being infused into the lineup..HELL YAH!

As well, early indications are that next season isn't going to be a very strong draft - at least in my opinion it will be. However, this season is looking like it might be a very strong one. With that in mind, starting a rebuild this season makes a whole lot more sense than next year, because the players the Canucks will be drafting look a whole lot better. 

[jejejester]

I don't think we are tanking this year. Looks like we may just be a natural bottom team. Thanks to a weak pacific division we are still in the playoff hunt. In any case, playoffs or not, we should be sellers at the deadline. The only focus should be on the future of this team. Drafting a development should be the main priority.

[BigOldOrca]

2 hours ago, smokes said:

I would like to see JB try and do the Vrbata and Hamhuis trades at the deadline and then try and move Prust and Millers through the summer.

Keep Burrows and sign him to a 1.5 or 2 extension

Keep Edler .

 

[smithers joe]

people have to realize that being a gm and making trades is not the same as being a cdc gm and making a trade....benning has said he won't trade his youth for short term help and that other gm's only want young prospect and those playing on their team...eg horvat and hutton....before guys like higgins, burrows and even vrbata, get moved, a team has to want them and be willing to give something back...it would be great to trade them all for 1st or 2nd rounds picks...but ask yourselves, if i'm a rival gm, what am i willing to give up for aging vets...?...and if all benning could get for vrbata was a 3rd round pick and a bad contract, you'ld all be saying, what poor gm he is...he wants to make deals that help this team...neither does he want to rush young players into situations, they are not ready for yet....he is banking on the core being competitive, while the future of the team, learns to take over the ship...he wants to build through the draft and through trades that make sense for the team...he needs to stick to his plan, and build a team that can be competitive for years to come....it will take time...

[Zuongo]

On 12/17/2015 at 5:51 PM, MattCanuck said:

Well as we all know with how the view of the team is going, Should we think of seeing options at the draft for a possible top 10-13 pick? maybe pick up a new Defensemen in the upcoming draft?

 

Or even Trading guys or picks for players whom can start scoring on offense, Even with defense being cut down as Hamhuis is out for a few months, Maybe Benning should look at younger D men or guys who are on waviers like Hamonic(example) or as rumored this week to see if getting back corrado is worth it.

 

Lets hear what you all think and discuss how this team can either consider a Rebuild or just re structure what is already place.

You talk as if we have a say in it? You do realize that 'we' do not run the team... 

[Jack Fig]

1 hour ago, theminister said:

I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated....this was always a transition year. We've had major changes with the promise to have more in the next few months. It was always this  

It was not the plan to tank, never will be, but let the chips fall where they may. It was intended to let all of the players, vets and kids, determine their standing in the eyes of management. Evaluation. Reassess.

Yes, we've had some injuries and adversity while new players learn to adjust to their roles and the systems. However, just like watching a single game...you can often tell more about a player in the dying 3rd of a 5-2 loss than you can in a 5-2 win...how the players, ALL the players, show in the tough times is how you determine if they'll be around for the good times to come.

If you can't compete night in and night out for a struggling team then you aren't the type of player to turn the ship around. These games are just as interesting to me as when we were winning Pres trophies  

 

Straight talk.

Unfortunately too many fans swallow the bilge about trending to youth and being successful all at once. The second part of that is salesman-speak, and everyone would just be much better off ignoring the standings this year. JB and Trevor are realizing that it's near-impossible to serve 2 masters. This is really about the influx of youth, and if anyone wants to believe anything else, they're being played. Once you commit to youth, it is a 'chips fall where they may' scenario. It's only natural to hope that it will take as little time as possible to work itself through, but there are no guarantees regarding timetable.

[kilgore]

"should we tank?"

By "we" I will assume you mean "they".  CDC cannot affect how the team plays no matter what they wish for.

But who do you then mean  by "we/they" exactly?

The players, who even one year of bad stats can drop their value and next contract and affect their family's financial security? All for some future Canucks team when this magical high pick matures?

Linden, the Golden Boy?  Benning, who has been busy trading away second rounders like hockey cards?

The owner? Who would have to do a 180 on his adamant edict to make the playoffs? (And the $ payout he would get)

Who is this "we" you speak  of? Why is this even discussed as a deliberately carried out possibility? Now it may just happen because a REAL tank job is not deliberate but due to a combination of injuries, especially on effective players, bad drafting, and bad trade decisions, which Benning has already had a couple of at least dubious ones (Vey, Baertschi) as well as nailing down over priced 4th liners.

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Jack Fig said:

Straight talk.

Unfortunately too many fans swallow the bilge about trending to youth and being successful all at once. The second part of that is salesman-speak, and everyone would just be much better off ignoring the standings this year. JB and Trevor are realizing that it's near-impossible to serve 2 masters. This is really about the influx of youth, and if anyone wants to believe anything else, they're being played. Once you commit to youth, it is a 'chips fall where they may' scenario. It's only natural to hope that it will take as little time as possible to work itself through, but there are no guarantees regarding timetable.

Agree with much of your comment. I would add that not all teams are the same and their 'rebuilds' will vary considerably. Not all 'rebuilds' are very successful as many things can go wrong, bad drafting and trades, injury and tough opposition.

The worst efforts are IMO teams that ride their vets until they are done which in effect empties the depth chart and robs the org of any potential trade returns. To a large extent that is what the Canucks have done. If not for the Twins where would this team be today? They will be gone likely in 2 more seasons then what?

I won't condemn Linden and Benning yet as they were handed a pretty empty bag. They do appear methodical in their approach and I am hoping they stay the course. Providing some vet presence during their rebuild makes a lot of sense. I don't think I am being played by saying that. The Oiler experience didn't work out so well with their all-rookie program. That said I do believe Bennig has to make some noise in February by moving a number of vets out. The big question might be who will want who and for how much. It should be fun! 

[smokes]

Even if management wanted to tank, the Sedins and Miller will bust their guts all over the ice to make sure that doesn't happpen.