Patrick O'Sullivan: "Burrows is the only guy who said he wanted to hurt me like me father did - why I can't stand him"

[awalk]

Just now, MovesLikeDatsyuk said:

Why did he not bring this up to the media when it happened. Whats with 8 years later.. Makes no sense. Thats type of stuff females do. Let something slide for years but all a sudden BAM they bring it up.

 

LOL were you born in the 1930s? 

[Nucker 67]

O'Sullivan's next book will be titled: "Burrows: The Big Meanie Who Hurt My Feelings".

But seriously, I get that his childhood was rough, that his Dad was really hard on him, even to the point of abuse. Burrows knows what buttons to push, that's partly what made him successful at his job. Did he go too far? We don't really know what was said. I suppose he does hate Burrows (get in line), and maybe he felt the timing was right seeing as Burrows recently got into some trouble with Tootoo. To me, it sounds like he's allowed this to eat at him for years and now he wants revenge. Doesn't sound very healthy.

 

[Baka]

1 minute ago, peanutflower said:

You have a real point.  Does anyone honestly think that Tikkanen or Lemieux, et al, said things like "You really suck at hockey" to get under other players' skins?  Nope.  They said whatever it took.  But in the days before social media and "feelings" what was said on the ice stayed on the ice.  And it isn't just confined to hockey.  Burrow had to have said something to O'Sullivan at least five years ago.  FIVE YEARS.  If he said anything at all. The Tootoo incident was just to deflect what should have been a game suspension for leaving the box.  Burrows is a pest.  That's what he does best.  Plus he's a good player.  O'Sullivan is just seizing his moment of fame after his revelatory blog.  

This is certainly true that players would say some pretty hardcore things to each other in the past though times change. Keep in mind a lot of players have complained about what other players have said on the ice in the past few years (many of which were agitators themselves). Plus to be honest I don't see much appeal in winning a game simply because you emotionally battered the other players more with catty school girl banter.

 

 

[Cerridwen]

Just now, awalk said:

 

LOL were you born in the 1930s? 

No kidding, eh?

[MovesLikeDatsyuk]

1 minute ago, awalk said:

 

LOL were you born in the 1930s? 

You just PC as hell. What did i offend now.

[awalk]

Just now, JoshuaGuy said:

The suicides are being attributed to traumatic brain injuries, not hurt feelings.

 

Actually a lot of the suicides were due to a combination of head trauma and addiction to pain-killers, direct results from being too scared to open up and express themselves and pushing forward with the harmful lives they were living.  Certainly not black and white.  I think it's totally fine for a player to open up about something that upset them or made them uneasy, at any point.  Why not?  

[AlphaHoneyBadger]

1 minute ago, awalk said:

 

LOL were you born in the 1930s? 

What if he/she/he-she/she-he is? Are you being an insensitive ageist? 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, JoshuaGuy said:

Idiotic to say with certainty. He's on a 30 pt pace while still being an effective PKer. Also, apparently a pretty damn good pest.

Thank you for the idiot comment.  That's a nice Christmas gift.  Burr is not anywhere near an NHL player any more.  He should be replaced by a younger player, who gets paid A LOT less, and how will be MORE EFECTIVE.  Notice how I, even though Alien, can make a point without being personally insulting.   

[awalk]

1 minute ago, AlphaHoneyBadger said:

What if he/she/he-she/she-he is? Are you being an insensitive ageist? 

 

Yes, definitely! Are they upset about it? They should feel free to express themselves  

 

Yeah, I'll definitely hate on sexism as being an old-school, outdated mindset.  Definitely not going to flinch on that.  If you want to defend sexism, cool!! Thumbs up to you LOL 

[GB5]

I'm wondering if O'Sullivan is breaking a few laws right now. Especially in the ever litigious United Sates where everyone sues everyone for defamation of character.

Ultimately unless O'Sullivan has substantial eyewitness evidence he had probably crossed this line.

[AlphaHoneyBadger]

3 minutes ago, Baka said:

This is certainly true that players would say some pretty hardcore things to each other in the past though times change. Keep in mind a lot of players have complained about what other players have said on the ice in the past few years (many of which were agitators themselves). Plus to be honest I don't see much appeal in winning a game simply because you emotionally battered the other players more with catty school girl banter.

 

 

Epicly epic 

[JAY JAY]

1 hour ago, riffraff said:

In the eyes of a homer you're 100% correct.

What the hell would someone being a homer have to do with the difference that was in the example of your original claim.
You need a refresher in argument and reason.
 

[awalk]

3 minutes ago, MovesLikeDatsyuk said:

You just PC as hell. What did i offend now.

 

LOL you seem super repressed

[DeNiro]

Burrows is our version of Marchand. He's a rat.

Everyone around the league knows it, but Canucks fans still continue to defend him.

Love his work ethic and his story of making it to the NHL, but lets face it he's a weasel.

 

[JoshuaGuy]

1 minute ago, awalk said:

 

Actually a lot of the suicides were due to a combination of head trauma and addiction to pain-killers, direct results from being too scared to open up and express themselves and pushing forward with the harmful lives they were living.  Certainly not black and white.  I think it's totally fine for a player to open up about something that upset them or made them uneasy, at any point.  Why not?  

Sure, let's just mic all the players all the time. Your sensibilities may not be able to take it, but I'd sure find it entertaining.

The rash of suicides from ex NHL'ers are all enforcers who took bare knuckle punches to the head for a living. I can't really say whether them not being able to talk about it is causation or correlation but the TBI's likely had the largest part in it. 

[awalk]

To sum up this thread:

 

- Crying is for silly girls

- Athletes should be emotionless

- There is a time limit on when you can publicly express your dislike for someone

- Emotions still make many male sports fans uncomfortable, which is unsurprising but disappointing 

[milk and honey]

I honestly want burrows off the team. I respect and admire his way to the NHL without being drafted and being the best Sedin linemate we have seen. I admire his goal vs Chicago but like Kesler we need a culture change and trading Burrows would be a good way to do that. Burrows is our Marchand both players are idiots and I don't want Burrows on the Canucks showing Bo and young guys the wrong way of acting. 

 

What a low-class comment. This is sick and absolutely disgustingly wrong. I understand sometimes the moment gets the better of the players and lots of things are said to each other on the ice, but this is a step way too far past the line. I hope management talks to him about this, his actions is on the radar and not welcomed. So many incidents with Burrows he is without a doubt on the same level as Marchand. 

 

Hopefully Patrick is doing well now a days and doesn't waste his time thinking of such a low class person as Burrows is.

[stawns]

Big deal, there are, literally millions of dollars at stake.  Burrows does what he has to do to survive and thrive in the NHL.  Any of you who believe there is some kind of standard or line that players won't or shouldn't cross should get out there in high level hockey and see what goes on.  If Burrows took this guy off the game so much that he feels he needs to spout off about it years later, then Burrows is, clearly, very good at his job.

 

 

[awalk]

2 minutes ago, JoshuaGuy said:

Sure, let's just mic all the players all the time. Your sensibilities may not be able to take it, but I'd sure find it entertaining.

The rash of suicides from ex NHL'ers are all enforcers who took bare knuckle punches to the head for a living. I can't really say whether them not being able to talk about it is causation or correlation but the TBI's likely had the largest part in it. 

 

Yes, likely the head trauma had a big part of it, but you should read stories from former enforcers, there are many out there that are super interesting, and a common theme among most is that they felt very alone and without any avenue to express their fear most of the time because they would lose their jobs.  It's kind of sad to look back at that, and I do wish that some of the guys who killed themselves could have opened up more to their friends and teammates and maybe we'd still have some of those rad dudes around.  

 

I'm very anti-PC -- just to note that.  It's pretty dumb that suggesting that players can express their emotions without fear of shaming is PC somehow

[89mogilny]

I played rep hockey as a teen and you hear all types of stuff, opposing players some of them were flat out making racist comments towards me maybe they weren't racist but the sole purpose was to take the player off his game. this type of stuff happens all the time, im not defending burrows but come on Sullivan, you keep this stuff out of the media. Weise was a punk too for saying what Lucic said and it wasn't even that bad, this is pro sports people look at Zidane in the World Cup and how he got kicked out of a game because the opposing player talked crap about his dead mom and sister. this is sports, its tough game out there, it gets brutal. Only the strong can survive, Chris Chelios was so brutal to Theo Fleury and others were brutal to Chelios about their drinking problems and drug addictions. They both had problems and Chelios would do anything to get any player of his game.