Patrick O'Sullivan: "Burrows is the only guy who said he wanted to hurt me like me father did - why I can't stand him"

[JV77]

4 hours ago, Beluga Whale said:

I remember saying I bet Burrows crossed the line with Tootoo and Deb came in heavily defending Burrows. Looking forward to see what she says here. I have a Burrows jersey hanging up beside me right now but that doesn't mean he's a saint who can do no wrong. He's obviously earned the reputation of a trash-talker who crosses the line.

you're gonna get banned now lol

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18 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Here are the facts:

-  Burrows is disliked because he pulls off all kinds of plays which come close or cross the line re. what is allowed in the NHL... all these incidents come under the heading of harrassment... no physical injuries... we are talking bumping the goalie, clutching and grabbing, hooking, PLUS having a smart comment for the opponent in the face to face after the whistle is blown.

-  But unlike a LOT of other NHL agitators, as for example Matt Cooke, Dustin Brown, Duncan Keith, etc, etc.... Burrows NEVER deliberately tries to injure anyone... please find me an instance where he has put someone out of a game... you won't find it.

-  But my God, those comments Burrows makes... gee whiz those hurt... those big tough NHLer's tender ears.  Makes me wanna cry....

-  Meanwhile, these other players who DO deliberately injure people... for some reason, everyone in the league is quiet about them... NEVER do we hear anything but respect for Keith... it's all about what a terrific player he is, not about how he deliberately injured Daniel Sedin and a number of other players, and put them out of the game.

BULL$&!# BULL$&!# BULL$&!#.

Such different issues though (intent to injure vs. inappropriate trash talk). These guys are professional and this is their work place so they shouldn't have to endure that kind of nonsense (from anyone, not just talking Burrows here). Over the course of their careers they have likely all heard all the various trash out there, but when it is overly personal (family, race, personal problems or history) it shouldn't be part of the game. It speaks pretty poorly of players that feel they need to resort to that kind of behaviour.

 

[PhillipBlunt]

Smoke from a fire lit eight years ago? This can't even be considered ash.

O' Sullivan could be lying his ass off about this, and no one could substantiate it.

The fact that some posters here are vilifying Burrows for something supposedly said eight years ago, with zero proof, to some 3rd liner hack is pathetic.

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6 minutes ago, gforce31 said:

I'm beginning to realize why so many teams absolutely hated Kessler/Burrows....However, at the same time, is this now a thing for players to run to the media with what was said to them in a game?? I've had some terrible stuff said to me while I was playing (goalie here), but at the end of the game you shake hands and walk away. 

I'm not defending Burrows but players will do/say whatever it takes to throw a player off of his game. I can understand clamping down on racial stuff, and I thought Ferraro was saying that there is an unwritten code about leaving out kid/wives/girlfriends. 

I don't know - it's like we don't have enough things to worry about with this team/group, and now this...

Which is another reason why players shouldn't do it.

[homersexual]

If Burrows was playing against Theo Fleury or Sheldon Kennedy, I wonder if Burrows would go there.

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, homersexual said:

If Burrows was playing against Theo Fleury or Sheldon Kennedy, I wonder if Burrows would go there.

Not even prisoners go there.

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Smoke from a fire lit eight years ago? This can't even be considered ash.

O' Sullivan could be lying his ass off about this, and no one could substantiate it.

The fact that some posters here are vilifying Burrows for something supposedly said eight years ago, with zero proof, to some 3rd liner hack is pathetic.

If in isolation, yes. It does seem to speak to a not very pretty pattern though Including more recent alleged incidents)

 

[CANUCK-EXPRESS]

Won't be surprised if this is true. There is a reason why Burrows is one of the most hated players in the game.

[Dekey Pete]

 

Not sure why Burrows is suddenly under attack again.  It's a pretty low blow (what Burrows said), yeah, but there is a reason guys don't go around repeating what is said on the ice.  Burrows isn't the only player to say things like this, and I'm sure he's had some pretty horrible things tossed back his way too.  

[gforce31]

Just now, Quoted said:

Which is another reason why players shouldn't do it.

For sure.

Also I think the teams' cockiness from a few years back rubbed so many people the wrong way that they just want to find a way to get back. Are you telling me that Burrows is the ONLY player in the NHL who trash talks and crosses the line? 

[*Buzzsaw*]

2 minutes ago, Quoted said:

Such different issues though (intent to injure vs. inappropriate trash talk). These guys are professional and this is their work place so they shouldn't have to endure that kind of nonsense (from anyone, not just talking Burrows here). Over the course of their careers they have likely all heard all the various trash out there, but when it is overly personal (family, race, personal problems or history) it shouldn't be part of the game. It speaks pretty poorly of players that feel they need to resort to that kind of behaviour.

 

There is no proof Burrows said what Sullivan claims.

In fact, as I posted before, there is every likelyhood this is a bogus claim put forward to sell more of this guy's books.

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident when he was in the league?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrow's incident in his book?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident in his very extensive book PR tour?

No, Sullivan waits till his book sales are going dead... and after another baseless accusation has been made against Burrows by TooToo... (completely unproven after review by league)

This is simple simple money grab by has-been who is jumping on convenient whipping boy.

[Fizzure]

So all we have to do is Tweet something and its suddenly true? 

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1 minute ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

There is no proof Burrows said what Sullivan claims.

In fact, as I posted before, there is every likelyhood this is a bogus claim put forward to sell more of this guy's books.

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident when he was in the league?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrow's incident in his book?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident in his very extensive book PR tour?

No, Sullivan waits till his book sales are going dead... and after another baseless accusation has been made against Burrows by TooToo... (completely unproven after review by league)

This is simple simple money grab by has-been who is jumping on convenient whipping boy.

Then it's slander. And why do these seem to point to Burrows? Why him and not another player if he is just making it up?

 

[*Buzzsaw*]

1 minute ago, Quoted said:

Then it's slander. And why do these seem to point to Burrows? Why him and not another player if he is just making it up?

 

What points to Burrows?

TooToo's completely discredited accusation?

The NHL looked over that one with a fine toothed comb... and guess what???  

ZERO proof.

[kilgore]

 

47 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

@Buzzsaw - I agree, the timing just doesn't seem right. Why didn't we hear about this Burrows incident 8 years ago when it happened? Maybe he saw how well Fleury's book did and decided to write his own.  This Burrows Tweet will probably sell 1,000 more books. Inquiring minds want to know who else he's throwing under the bus.

And it didn't hurt that Burrows was in the hockey news lately with the Tootoo incident. How convenient.

Like Poetica, I am sick of the manufactured hate on Burrows, especially in his later playing years when he has clearly changed his style. For petes sake, those comments happened once when they were kids in the minors, and the next supposedly, eight years ago, before Burrows was promoted to the top line, while he was still clawing and scraping his way on the team. Before even clutch's Burrows OP was written. I can't #@#% believe how many so-called Canuck fans leap at any opportunity to demonize one of the very best and loyal Canucks in our history.

If this had happened last week, I wouldn't be surprised by the reaction, but when it is from an unsubstantiated accusation from eight years ago?  When a lot of this kind of social awareness on the damage childhood abuse can have was just beginning to be talked about? Add to that that this happened in a hockey arena. This is a place where players, especially Alex Burrows who stands in front of the net, get routinely hacked, slashed, cross-checked with no calls. This kind of attack would land you in jail on the street. To apply the PC standards of the world off the ice to the one on the ice is ludicrous. Burrows was a player that did anything for the team to win, this was how he was instructed to do by the coaches he played for. I wonder how many players ripped on Burr with un-PC statements?

Way way overblown. Was it mean and "wrong" and not very nice?  YES! But it happened 8 years ago, before he established himself, before he had a family, and before he made a publicized stance to change his ways, also it happened at a time when these kinds of issues were not taken as seriously, rightly or wrongly. To bring it up now is piling on.  I expect it from fans of other teams and 1040 hosts, as they must always make sure they are overly PC, but to hear this kind of back-stabbing of one of our best from so-called fans of the team?  Pathetic

[JV77]

Honestly after thinking about it, this is beyond trash talk.  People defending it would it be ok then to call a gay player in any sport a fa**ot? or racial slurs?

[Odd.]

As much as I love Burrows, if he did say what he's alleged to have said, very shameful of him. 

It's why Burrows is known to be a pest around the league. One of the hated players in the NHL.

[Kevin Biestra]

17 minutes ago, gforce31 said:

I'm beginning to realize why so many teams absolutely hated Kessler/Burrows....However, at the same time, is this now a thing for players to run to the media with what was said to them in a game?? I've had some terrible stuff said to me while I was playing (goalie here), but at the end of the game you shake hands and walk away. 

I'm not defending Burrows but players will do/say whatever it takes to throw a player off of his game. I can understand clamping down on racial stuff, and I thought Ferraro was saying that there is an unwritten code about leaving out kid/wives/girlfriends. 

I don't know - it's like we don't have enough things to worry about with this team/group, and now this...

For some reason I find it easy to picture Ferraro talking smack about wives, girlfriends and kids on the ice.  Quenneville and Francis probably had to pull him aside and straighten him out, and teach him about these rules.

Agree with all you're saying here.  It's a lowlife tactic to mock stuff like abuse or deaths in the family.  But it's also not very "hockey" to run to TMZ after a game and tattle.  The game's just not as tough as it used to be, and neither are the players, mentally or otherwise.

I remember about eight years ago, players on other teams would suddenly do stuff like slash Ryan Kesler in the face, for no apparent reason.  A few times a year, someone would just "see red" and deck him and look like they were some kind of psycho.  I can only imagine was he was saying to them when they were battling against the boards.  Probably paying off doctors to learn about their wives' STDs or something.

[Delta76]

I'm willing to bet a lot of players do this. The NHL has very little class left in it and honestly this is nothing.

Blatantly throwing a headshot in an attempt to concussion someone, cross checking their neck, slashing like an axe murderer. All worse than just words.

"Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." These are pro athletes, I would think they have some mental toughness.

People wish that everyone let their game speak for them like the Sedins but look how well that worked. They are constantly picked on and we're around the league referee to as the Sedin sisters.

 

[Toews]

7 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

There is no proof Burrows said what Sullivan claims.

In fact, as I posted before, there is every likelyhood this is a bogus claim put forward to sell more of this guy's books.

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident when he was in the league?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrow's incident in his book?

Why didn't Sullivan mention the Burrows incident in his very extensive book PR tour?

No, Sullivan waits till his book sales are going dead... and after another baseless accusation has been made against Burrows by TooToo... (completely unproven after review by league)

This is simple simple money grab by has-been who is jumping on convenient whipping boy.

Actually O'Sullivan did mention that Burrows had said something to him. It was only now he elaborated on what was said. He said it well before the Tootoo incident.