A NEW BEGINNING Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Remember last year, when there were a few people suggesting that we should trade Vrbata and Matthais. Their value was at a high, and most of CDC scorned them for suggesting such a thing. Suggesting that we were a good team and that the year before was only an anomaly , and caused mostly by Tortz's coaching. Well, if we look into the future, we are finally as a whole seeing the truth, which is we are in need of a rebuild, and do not have the depth of a playoff team, or at least one that won't get bounced in the first round. The truth of last year was, we were in a weak division, and rode a hot goal tender up the standings........circumstances made us appear better than we actually were.....we were a middle of the road team.....15th/16th at best, and would have been if Lack had not of stood on his ears. Fast forward to this year, and ask the questions, do we make the playoffs? Who are our best trading assets? This brings me to Edler. Edler at 29 is on a good contract, with years left on his contract, and valued at a #2, 3 defenseman on most teams, has good value still, but fast forward a year or 2 and that value, may drop. (aka Hamhuis)(And Edler was never as good as Hamhuis) There are some teams, that would value Edler very high right now, and still will at the deadline, this is the year to trade Edler, and his return will be somewhere around a mid-1st rounder and an A-prospect. Teams like Ottawa, Dallas, Detroit, Florida, Washington, Tampa, and Pittsburgh, would all give healthy offerings for the right to have Edler I am saying now, we trade Edler this year! Not because of questionable play, because it can partly be explained by the team he plays on, and because of his talent and up-side to a contending team should be valued.... I do not think he will ever bring more...this is the year Does anyone agree....no trashing, just a good move at the Trade deadline Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 SO many of these threads. But may I remind people I brought up this idea in July...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If he'd waive and can get great value from him then you definitely trade him. Trade anybody over the age of 26 if the price is right. Except the twins they can stay for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Can't move him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, A NEW BEGINNING said: Remember last year, when there were a few people suggesting that we should trade Vrbata and Matthais. Their value was at a high, and most of CDC scorned them for suggesting such a thing. Suggesting that we were a good team and that the year before was only an anomaly , and caused mostly by Tortz's coaching. Well, if we look into the future, we are finally as a whole seeing the truth, which is we are in need of a rebuild, and do not have the depth of a playoff team, or at least one that won't get bounced in the first round. The truth of last year was, we were in a weak division, and rode a hot goal tender up the standings........circumstances made us appear better than we actually were.....we were a middle of the road team.....15th/16th at best, and would have been if Lack had not of stood on his ears. Fast forward to this year, and ask the questions, do we make the playoffs? Who are our best trading assets? This brings me to Edler. Edler at 29 is on a good contract, with years left on his contract, and valued at a #2, 3 defenseman on most teams, has good value still, but fast forward a year or 2 and that value, may drop. (aka Hamhuis)(And Edler was never as good as Hamhuis) There are some teams, that would value Edler very high right now, and still will at the deadline, this is the year to trade Edler, and his return will be somewhere around a mid-1st rounder and an A-prospect. Teams like Ottawa, Dallas, Detroit, Florida, Washington, Tampa, and Pittsburgh, would all give healthy offerings for the right to have Edler I am saying now, we trade Edler this year! Not because of questionable play, because it can partly be explained by the team he plays on, and because of his talent and up-side to a contending team should be valued.... I do not think he will ever bring more...this is the year Does anyone agree....no trashing, just a good move at the Trade deadline Thanks If we do that then we are doing a rebuild. Management has been public about their desire to keep some core players. If we trade Edler we have the worst defense in the league by a mile. Hamhuis is gone, add Edler and we are looking like Sbisa-Tanev is our top pairing. I would consider it based on the offers and the market, but I just don't see the point of it with the current management plans. Edler I think will be the only dman to stay for the next 3-5years when we try to make a final cup push with the sedins. Burrows, Higgins, prust, Hamhuis, Vrbata are all on the hot seat and could be moved. 5main players are good enough IMO for a spring/summer. Again look at Virtanen these days. He isn't ready and rushing players kill their development. Look at Edmonton vs Detroit history over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A NEW BEGINNING Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, milk and honey said: If we do that then we are doing a rebuild. Management has been public about their desire to keep some core players. If we trade Edler we have the worst defense in the league by a mile. Hamhuis is gone, add Edler and we are looking like Sbisa-Tanev is our top pairing. I would consider it based on the offers and the market, but I just don't see the point of it with the current management plans. Edler I think will be the only dman to stay for the next 3-5years when we try to make a final cup push with the sedins. Burrows, Higgins, prust, Hamhuis, Vrbata are all on the hot seat and could be moved. 5main players are good enough IMO for a spring/summer. Again look at Virtanen these days. He isn't ready and rushing players kill their development. Look at Edmonton vs Detroit history over the years. My fear is that management agrees with you and wants to be a playoff team, where in reality it is clear to everyone, that we are not. I read an article stating that the Canucks are a bottom team, so I checked the Vegas odds on them, they are very low odds of winning the Stanley Cup......Vegas does not see us contending....the "house" does not like loosing their money.... There are many others in the hockey world that feel the same, yesterday Ferraro was talking about this on 1040, and felt the Canucks lacked mid-aged talent, amongst a lot of other factors..... My fear is that we don't go into total rebuild.....I am for a very rapid decline, and a very fast assent.......this does not mean 1 or 2 years at the bottom, but 3 or 4 years at the bottom. IMO we have a lot of strong Young prospects/pros, and half our rebuild is already done.....we just need a few elite offensive players To achieve this quickly means moving the Edlers, Vrbata's, etc. now! Maybe re-sign Hamhuis at a big discount and hope he rebounds (It is possible), but also sign a few short term fill-ins to ice a team. We will have competition at the bottom too, and with the new drafting rules, and possible expansion in a year or 2, we will have to get lucky to get 2 out of 4 of our own picks to be productive, so adding picks now enhances the speed of our rebuild..... I wouldn't stop at Edler and Vrbata either, there are others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAce Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 32 minutes ago, milk and honey said: If we do that then we are doing a rebuild. Management has been public about their desire to keep some core players. If we trade Edler we have the worst defense in the league by a mile. Hamhuis is gone, add Edler and we are looking like Sbisa-Tanev is our top pairing. I would consider it based on the offers and the market, but I just don't see the point of it with the current management plans. Edler I think will be the only dman to stay for the next 3-5years when we try to make a final cup push with the sedins. Burrows, Higgins, prust, Hamhuis, Vrbata are all on the hot seat and could be moved. 5main players are good enough IMO for a spring/summer. Again look at Virtanen these days. He isn't ready and rushing players kill their development. Look at Edmonton vs Detroit history over the years. We already have the worst D in the league and Edler is part of that problem. He has way too many cough ups and mental lapses during the game. He has never become the D-man we all hoped he would be and we need to stop with all the " he has the tools to be an all star " because he doesnt have the hockey smarts that are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 did i miss something?...he said he wanted to stay here and wouldn't wave his ntc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 NO TRADE CLAUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAce Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Garrison and Bieksa both had NTC as well....... if a team approaches a player and tells him he is no longer part of there future, most players have enough pride to allow them to get traded, it just means they get to have a say in where they get traded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I don't remember anybody saying "NO don't trade Edler" It was the same old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 No, I like Edler, don't wanna move him, he'll be great when he has help. Coach doesn't have a system so D sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Edler for Hamonic please.... Prefer it happen this summer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I’ve been on board for moving Edler for a long time, But…..I don’t want draft picks in return. I want Edler moved in a larger package that brings up back a young Right Handed Defensemen If Edler + could get us a Hamonic, or Trouba, or Gudbranson I’m 100% game. We wouldn’t hurt the performance of our current roster that much and it would set us up in the future. We have a long list of Left handed defensemen in our line up and system. Hutton, Pedan, Sbisa, Brisebrois, Tryamkin. But on the right side after losing Corrado, and Clendening, we have Subban who’s still a way out. Solidify our top 4 for the now and future, sign a UFA stop gap (Yandle) till one of our current left handed D develops and build from there. Next year we’d have a D core of. Yandle Tanev Hutton Hamonic Pedan Sbisa Tryamkin That’s 10x better than what we're currently icing and we also get significantly younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 5 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I’ve been on board for moving Edler for a long time, But…..I don’t want draft picks in return. I want Edler moved in a larger package that brings up back a young Right Handed Defensemen If Edler + could get us a Hamonic, or Trouba, or Gudbranson I’m 100% game. We wouldn’t hurt the performance of our current roster that much and it would set us up in the future. We have a long list of Left handed defensemen in our line up and system. Hutton, Pedan, Sbisa, Brisebrois, Tryamkin. But on the right side after losing Corrado, and Clendening, we have Subban who’s still a way out. Solidify our top 4 for the now and future, sign a UFA stop gap (Yandle) till one of our current left handed D develops and build from there. Next year we’d have a D core of. Yandle Tanev Hutton Hamonic Pedan Sbisa Tryamkin That’s 10x better than what we're currently icing and we also get significantly younger. For the love of Gordie swap Hamonic and Tanev! I'd also keep Hutton on the third personally to keep easing him in and move him to top 4 with injuries. Yandle, Hamonic Sbisa, Tanev Hutton, Schenn (or similar) Pedan, Bartowski That puts a skater and/or PMD on every pair with a larger, more physical guy. I also happen to think Sbisa/Tanev would be a great, complimentary shutdown pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 14 minutes ago, J.R. said: For the love of Gordie swap Hamonic and Tanev! I'd also keep Hutton on the third personally to keep easing him in and move him to top 4 with injuries. Yandle, Hamonic Sbisa, Tanev Hutton, Schenn (or similar) Pedan, Bartowski That puts a skater and/or PMD on every pair with a larger, more physical guy. I also happen to think Sbisa/Tanev would be a great, complimentary shutdown pair. Sure. Line ups I don't really care about. Some players will have chemistry some won't, hopefully it would get sorted out in preseason. But I could go with opening day line up to how your suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Bleh speculating on trades is silly with players with NTC. There's no way in telling on where they would be willing to go or IF they would be willing to go anywhere. Also silly to assume we can win on UFA free agents. I.E Yandle will have multiple offers at a high cost markup. Maybe he comes here but there are likely more appealing US markets that he'd rather go to. Essentially what I'm getting at, is that trading away our top 4 dmen isn't the answer, we need to add to our defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 21 minutes ago, goblix said: Bleh speculating on trades is silly with players with NTC. There's no way in telling on where they would be willing to go or IF they would be willing to go anywhere. Also silly to assume we can win on UFA free agents. I.E Yandle will have multiple offers at a high cost markup. Maybe he comes here but there are likely more appealing US markets that he'd rather go to. Essentially what I'm getting at, is that trading away our top 4 dmen isn't the answer, we need to add to our defence. First, this is the Armchair GM section.... Second, Goligoski would also be an option there or other (albeit inferior) options like Hamhuis (among others). LD are a LOT easier to replace including from within our own prospects. If you can move Edler for a guy like Hamonic, you do it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: First, this is the Armchair GM section.... Second, Goligoski would also be an option there or other (albeit inferior) options like Hamhuis (among others). LD are a LOT easier to replace including from within our own prospects. If you can move Edler for a guy like Hamonic, you do it IMO. exactly If you have the opportunity to get younger and better you make that trade. Third although it is just speculation, but Canucks will have enough money to outbid almost every real player in the UFA market. Forth, without giving up assets the only way to add you blueline is through draft. Drafting D takes 3-4 years and we are in the process of it. So inorder to improve it, players need to be moved around to fit team need, IE top 4 right handed D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, J.R. said: First, this is the Armchair GM section.... Second, Goligoski would also be an option there or other (albeit inferior) options like Hamhuis (among others). LD are a LOT easier to replace including from within our own prospects. If you can move Edler for a guy like Hamonic, you do it IMO. I think it's a lot easier said than done... Who is going to eat Edler's minutes ? Pedan? Hutton ? Sbisa ? Fair enough on being a armchair forum but with NTC it's impossible to know the most important side of the trade I.E. the players opinion in destination. Therefore a specific team is hard to pin point hard to even speculate on and seems tough to even draw out a decent trade without that kind of information. Also on Hamonic, I view him as a Tanev with a more all around skillset. 2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: exactly If you have the opportunity to get younger and better you make that trade. Third although it is just speculation, but Canucks will have enough money to outbid almost every real player in the UFA market. Forth, without giving up assets the only way to add you blueline is through draft. Drafting D takes 3-4 years and we are in the process of it. So inorder to improve it, players need to be moved around to fit team need, IE top 4 right handed D Younger? Edler being 29 isn't an age problem... better? is Hamonic better than Edler? If we do a 1 for 1 swap I actually think our defence is worse off because of the hole on the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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