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We're obviously not going to have a shot at the cup this year so lets get this rebuild started. I understand we want to stay competitive and we will. We could ice a pretty good lineup next year that could make a surprise push to a cup. Here it goes.

 

To Van

Yakupov

Nilsson

To Edm

Markstrom

Hamhuis (edit)

Jensen

4th/5th

 

Markstrom is really starting to come along and his big frame will be enticing to an Oilers team that has been long awaiting a stud goalie. Then they also add a pick and a big bodied prospect that could excel with a change of scenery. Yakupov is a great offensive player but lacks defensive ability. The former 1st overall pick is surrounded by quite a few players that are higher than him when it comes to offence in McDavid, Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Draisitl. Edmonton needs a Goalie more than they need Yakupov, and Markstrom is a young big bodied goalie with huge potential. With how Demko is playing he is more than likely our goalie of the future. Id feel pretty safe trading Markstrom and banking on Demko turning into our starter, the guy is a star in the making. 

 

 

To Van

Conditional 2nd

To NYI

Higgins

 

If Higgins resigns we get a 2nd, if not it becomes a 3rd.

I know Higgins has NTC, but if there was 1 team he would waive his NTC clause it would be the Islanders. Higgins is a hometown boy who could really help on the Islanders PK. He is a great 3rd/4th line defensive player on a reasonable cap hit, unfortunately he has been forced into a top 6 role and has lost a lot of fans' respect, not mine. He is not in our plans for the future so lets get a pick for him now.

 

To Van

2016 1st

To Mtl

Vrbata (50% retained)

 

We retain 50% salary so Vrbata fits into Montreals cap. The Habs have a great team and can make a big run at the cup. They already said they are willing to go all in so it sounds as if their 1st is up for grabs. Vrbata has been having a down year but so has the entire team. You cant forget about the goal scoring ability this guy adds. I think we can get a 1st but id also take a 2nd, its better than nothing.

 

Our lineup this year when healthy:

 

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Burrows Sutter Virtanen

Baertschi McCann Yakupov

Prust Horvat Dorsett

:Cracknell, Vey, Shinkaruk, Kenins, Gaunce:

 

Edler Tanev

Hutton Sbisa

Weber Bartkowski

 

:Biega, Pedan, Subban:

 

NOTE: Hamhuis could also fetch us a 2nd/3rd if he returns to form before TD.

 

 

2016 PICKS

Van: 1st (1-15)

Mtl: 1st (20-30)

Van: 2nd

Nyi: 2nd/3rd

Van: 3rd

Van: 4th

Van: 6th

Van: 7th

 

Another 2 first round picks and 3-4 picks in the first 2 rounds can reall help speed up this rebuild. We should sign Lucic and resign hammer to a lower term if not we will need to find a replacment. Next years lineup could look like:

 

Sedin Sedin Lucic

Burrows Sutter Hansen

Shinkaruk McCann Virtanen

Baertschi Horvat Gaunce

Edler Tanev

XXXXX Sbisa

Hutton Bartkowski

Miller

XXXXX

 

Here is how i see our roster in 3-5 years (with these trades i proposed). Players i leave out i would want replaced by then. I want to try and find a stud LW to play our 1st line because Id like to have Shinkaruk on the 2nd. So im leaving Baertschi out because i do not see him as a bottom 6 player.

 

XXXXX McCann Boeser

Shinkaruk Horvat Yakupov

Sedin Sedin Virtanen

Grenier Cassels Gaunce

XXXXX XXXXX

Hutton Tanev

Tryamkin Sbisa

:Brisebois Subban:

Demko

XXXXX

 

So IMO we need to try and draft/sign (2) top 2 D, (1) 1st line LW and then we will have a pretty solid team. 

 

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7 minutes ago, McHortanen said:

We're obviously not going to have a shot at the cup this year so lets get this rebuild started. I understand we want to stay competitive and we will. We could ice a pretty good lineup next year that could make a surprise push to a cup. Here it goes.

 

To Van

Yakupov

Nilsson

To Edm

Markstrom

Jensen

4th/5th

 

Markstrom is really starting to come along and his big frame will be enticing to an Oilers team that has been long awaiting a stud goalie. Then they also add a pick and a big bodied prospect that could excel with a change of scenery. Yakupov is a great offensive player but lacks defensive ability. The former 1st overall pick is surrounded by quite a few players that are higher than him when it comes to offence in McDavid, Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Draisitl. Edmonton needs a Goalie more than they need Yakupov, and Markstrom is a young big bodied goalie with huge potential. With how Demko is playing he is more than likely our goalie of the future. Id feel pretty safe trading Markstrom and banking on Demko turning into our starter, the guy is a star in the making. 

 

 

To Van

Conditional 2nd

To NYI

Higgins

 

If Higgins resigns we get a 2nd, if not it becomes a 3rd.

I know Higgins has NTC, but if there was 1 team he would waive his NTC clause it would be the Islanders. Higgins is a hometown boy who could really help on the Islanders PK. He is a great 3rd/4th line defensive player on a reasonable cap hit, unfortunately he has been forced into a top 6 role and has lost a lot of fans' respect, not mine. He is not in our plans for the future so lets get a pick for him now.

 

To Van

2016 1st

To Mtl

Vrbata (50% retained)

 

We retain 50% salary so Vrbata fits into Montreals cap. The Habs have a great team and can make a big run at the cup. They already said they are willing to go all in so it sounds as if their 1st is up for grabs. Vrbata has been having a down year but so has the entire team. You cant forget about the goal scoring ability this guy adds. I think we can get a 1st but id also take a 2nd, its better than nothing.

 

Our lineup this year when healthy:

 

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Burrows Sutter Virtanen

Baertschi McCann Yakupov

Prust Horvat Dorsett

:Cracknell, Vey, Shinkaruk, Kenins, Gaunce:

 

Edler Tanev

Hamhuis Bartkowski

Hutton Sbisa

:Weber, Biega, Pedan, Subban:

 

NOTE: Hamhuis could also fetch us a 2nd/3rd if he returns to form before TD.

 

 

2016 PICKS

Van: 1st (1-15)

Mtl: 1st (20-30)

Van: 2nd

Nyi: 2nd/3rd

Van: 3rd

Van: 4th

Van: 6th

Van: 7th

 

Another 2 first round picks and 3-4 picks in the first 2 rounds can reall help speed up this rebuild. Here is how i see our roster in 3-5 years (with these trades i proposed). Players i leave out i would want replaced by then. I want to try and find a stud LW to play our 1st line because Id like to have Shinkaruk on the 2nd. So im leaving Baertschi out because i do not see him as a bottom 6 player.

 

XXXXX McCann Boeser

Shinkaruk Horvat Yakupov

Sedin Sedin Virtanen

Grenier Cassels Gaunce

XXXXX XXXXX

Hutton Tanev

Tryamkin Sbisa

:Brisebois Subban:

Demko

XXXXX

 

So IMO we need to try and draft/sign (2) top 2 D, (1) 1st line LW and then we will have a pretty solid team. 

 

I appreciate the effort.  You put a lot of thinking into this.  Do you think we could get Juulsen from the Habs instead of their first?

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12 minutes ago, Teemu Selänne said:

^ Agree with @Patrick Kane, Nilsson has been a stud this year, so makes no sense for them to move him and a decent asset for Marky Mark. 

I havnt been paying much attention. I had just Yakupov but the cap didnt match up so i just threw in their back up (nilsson). Does he look like a future starter? I thought Talbot was their #1

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2 minutes ago, McHortanen said:

I havnt been paying much attention. I had just Yakupov but the cap didnt match up so i just threw in their back up (nilsson). Does he look like a future starter? I thought Talbot was their #1

Talbot has been streaky at best (.897 SVP, 4-9-1). Nilsson has looked pretty good (.910 SVP, 10-9-1), maybe not as much of a future starter as Markstrom, but not worth throwing in Yak for. Coach TM also seems to really like Nilsson. 

 

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3 hours ago, McHortanen said:

We're obviously not going to have a shot at the cup this year so lets get this rebuild started. I understand we want to stay competitive and we will. We could ice a pretty good lineup next year that could make a surprise push to a cup. Here it goes.

 

To Van

Yakupov

Nilsson

To Edm

Markstrom

Jensen

4th/5th

 

Markstrom is really starting to come along and his big frame will be enticing to an Oilers team that has been long awaiting a stud goalie. Then they also add a pick and a big bodied prospect that could excel with a change of scenery. Yakupov is a great offensive player but lacks defensive ability. The former 1st overall pick is surrounded by quite a few players that are higher than him when it comes to offence in McDavid, Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Draisitl. Edmonton needs a Goalie more than they need Yakupov, and Markstrom is a young big bodied goalie with huge potential. With how Demko is playing he is more than likely our goalie of the future. Id feel pretty safe trading Markstrom and banking on Demko turning into our starter, the guy is a star in the making. 

 

 

To Van

Conditional 2nd

To NYI

Higgins

 

If Higgins resigns we get a 2nd, if not it becomes a 3rd.

I know Higgins has NTC, but if there was 1 team he would waive his NTC clause it would be the Islanders. Higgins is a hometown boy who could really help on the Islanders PK. He is a great 3rd/4th line defensive player on a reasonable cap hit, unfortunately he has been forced into a top 6 role and has lost a lot of fans' respect, not mine. He is not in our plans for the future so lets get a pick for him now.

 

To Van

2016 1st

To Mtl

Vrbata (50% retained)

 

We retain 50% salary so Vrbata fits into Montreals cap. The Habs have a great team and can make a big run at the cup. They already said they are willing to go all in so it sounds as if their 1st is up for grabs. Vrbata has been having a down year but so has the entire team. You cant forget about the goal scoring ability this guy adds. I think we can get a 1st but id also take a 2nd, its better than nothing.

 

Our lineup this year when healthy:

 

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Burrows Sutter Virtanen

Baertschi McCann Yakupov

Prust Horvat Dorsett

:Cracknell, Vey, Shinkaruk, Kenins, Gaunce:

 

Edler Tanev

Hamhuis Bartkowski

Hutton Sbisa

:Weber, Biega, Pedan, Subban:

 

NOTE: Hamhuis could also fetch us a 2nd/3rd if he returns to form before TD.

 

 

2016 PICKS

Van: 1st (1-15)

Mtl: 1st (20-30)

Van: 2nd

Nyi: 2nd/3rd

Van: 3rd

Van: 4th

Van: 6th

Van: 7th

 

Another 2 first round picks and 3-4 picks in the first 2 rounds can reall help speed up this rebuild. We should sign Lucic and resign hammer to a lower term if not we will need to find a replacment. Next years lineup could look like:

 

Sedin Sedin Lucic

Burrows Sutter Hansen

Shinkaruk McCann Virtanen

Baertschi Horvat Gaunce

Edler Tanev

XXXXX Sbisa

Hutton Bartkowski

Miller

XXXXX

 

Here is how i see our roster in 3-5 years (with these trades i proposed). Players i leave out i would want replaced by then. I want to try and find a stud LW to play our 1st line because Id like to have Shinkaruk on the 2nd. So im leaving Baertschi out because i do not see him as a bottom 6 player.

 

XXXXX McCann Boeser

Shinkaruk Horvat Yakupov

Sedin Sedin Virtanen

Grenier Cassels Gaunce

XXXXX XXXXX

Hutton Tanev

Tryamkin Sbisa

:Brisebois Subban:

Demko

XXXXX

 

So IMO we need to try and draft/sign (2) top 2 D, (1) 1st line LW and then we will have a pretty solid team. 

 

EDM deal is terribad for them.  That lackluster package wouldn't get Yak alone IMO. We could even change the pick to a 2nd and I doubt EDM considers. 

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5 hours ago, -Virtanen said:

EDM deal is terribad for them.  That lackluster package wouldn't get Yak alone IMO. We could even change the pick to a 2nd and I doubt EDM considers. 

What if we added hammer? A cjance at getting a 1st/2nd if he returns to form before TD? I edited into my proposal

 

And i also dont agree that its a terrible trade. Yakupov has not been that #1 pick they had hoped for. He is also a offensive player who cant play D. Markstrom would fill a huge need for them which is goaltending and his age fits well with this team. After that they will only need to build a stronger D and they can do that by shopping around eberle/UFA

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17 hours ago, McHortanen said:

What if we added hammer? A cjance at getting a 1st/2nd if he returns to form before TD? I edited into my proposal

 

And i also dont agree that its a terrible trade. Yakupov has not been that #1 pick they had hoped for. He is also a offensive player who cant play D. Markstrom would fill a huge need for them which is goaltending and his age fits well with this team. After that they will only need to build a stronger D and they can do that by shopping around eberle/UFA

Hammer does nothing for them.  An injured UFA that is out until atleast Feb or March.  Yak is only 22,  Nilsson is the same age as Markstrom and is arguably just as good.

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I am new here, hello! oldtimer Canucks fan. I like Markstrom also and Thatcher Demko as prospect, IMO Ryan Miller could be traded to free up cap space

I hope we can get a good D, like Ed Jovonovski used to be, someone like an Aaron Eckblad or? guess this will have to be done with a ist or 2nd round pick? .:rolleyes:

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I've long opposed the idea of tanking out this season... but the way things are playing out, and considering some of the prospects we could land, as well as considering our current player's long-term prospects for winning a Cup here, I've begun to open up to the idea.

To that end:

Deal Sedins, Hamhuis, and Edler to Florida for Savard, Bolland, Thornton, Mitchell, and their first rounder

Ohh the irony, trading the twins for their old nemesis! But that aside, this trade is clearly a one-sided deal favouring Florida - my hope is of course, to let three of the greatest Canucks of all time get their hands on a Cup, and by making this deal, Florida could be a contender. Mitchell meanwhile can retire a Canuck (with two Stanley Cups), Thornton and Savard could retire, Bolland, well he could maybe reemerge in Vancouver or otherwise be traded at the draft... but this season, we're about rebuilding right?

Rest of my plan TBC.

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On 2015-12-21 at 3:39 AM, messier's_elbow said:

We need to draft defensive prospects. Minus a future first line centre, our forward group is set.  Unless we get Mathews we should take the best Dman available. 

I did have the extremely controversial suggestion if we did get Matthew - seeing our forward group is all set, and seeing he is a strong two-way player - we play him on the blueline.

One, conversion of positions is nothing new, even among greats. Sergei Federov and Red Kelly come to mind, as does Dustin Byfuglien and Brent Burns for our day.

Two, can Matthew handle it? I think he can. He is very well rounded and defensively responsible, definitely moreso than a McDavid (who will never be a defenseman), can be about on par with Toews (regarded as the best defensive forward, could be defense if needed). He has the hockey smarts, skating ability, size, and puck skills.

If he plays the blueline, well the team just needs to adjust to him, instead of adjusting him to defense. He can be free to lead the attack, act as a fourth forward (which will always be hard to defend). He's smart to know when to do that, and if the opposition ever gets the puck, well he is fast enough (and has plenty of help in Vancouver) to skate back into position to break up the play. He may not be able to defend against McDavid or Crosby, but I think he can defend Toews or Getzlaf.

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