Electro Rock Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 17 minutes ago, Fateless said: You talk a lot of $&!# considering most of the refugees likely have more education and professionalism than yourself. (Although since no one can fact check, you'll likely claim to be a general surgeon all the sudden). If Harper had doubled the intake of refugees, of course people would have been upset - he promised to only raise the uptake to 25000. The people that voted him in expect him to keep his promises. On the other hand, Trudeau made it very clear they were starting with 25,000 but everyone knew his goal would be to help as many refugees as he could. Don't be such a sourpuss that Harper lost, that is so two months ago. Yes, because the Middle East is known for its professional standards and being such a meritocracy... Does anyone have a single good reason why we should be allowing any of these people here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 42 minutes ago, Electro Rock said: Says the hipster from his parent's basement. My parents are dead. JK but you're still a clown and I'm definitely not a hipster lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 15 minutes ago, Electro Rock said: Yes, because the Middle East is known for its professional standards and being such a meritocracy... Does anyone have a single good reason why we should be allowing any of these people here? You do know 'the Middle East' is a big place right? Try, if you dare, to look beyond your ignorant childish stereotypes and generalizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinEdm Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 1 hour ago, Hugor Hill said: From what I have seen, a lot of these refugees are educated professionals. So far so good. Which means nothing do you think that their education is transferable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 22 hours ago, Bitter Melon said: I don't have a problem with taking them in, however, I do wonder where they plan to put them. Given the housing situation in Vancouver I don't think it would be the wisest choice to bring them here. I can't see nearly any unsponsored refugees coming to Vancouver or the west coast in general. if we can't afford to live here how are they going to? 1.20$ for gas here .87$ in Alberta. Just an example. for real. Expect most to settle outside of bc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 21 hours ago, Warhippy said: Really think these people would be safe in a rural setting surrounded by people like honeybadger? Better in urban centers the size of Kamloops or Kelowna with the infrastructure to not only house but also accomodate them Generalization. ive had conversations with white rural farmers in Saskatchewan over the age of 60 who would welcome these people with open arms. Those last few words I typed were literally word for word out of one mans mouth. gues what hippy? There are salt of the earth white hillbilly red neck pick up truck drivin people in this country with big hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Lets swap a refugee for Electro Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 1 hour ago, Electro Rock said: Does anyone have a single good reason why we should be allowing any of these people here? Because we're human beings that should be protecting life wherever possible? Sorry, am I being too hipster in suggesting life is precious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyFox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Not a fan of this at all I don't know why we are obligated to take in all these refugees.. It's the Canadian thing to do.. What happens when a terrorist kills innocent people. Just imagine if that happend to your family member I wonder if your view would change. Why not help the poor and homeless in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 21 minutes ago, WillyFox said: Not a fan of this at all I don't know why we are obligated to take in all these refugees.. It's the Canadian thing to do.. What happens when a terrorist kills innocent people. Just imagine if that happend to your family member I wonder if your view would change. Why not help the poor and homeless in Canada. What happens with an american bomb destroys your home and workplace? Well, you wait awhile in hell before moving to Canada, of course. The poor and homeless are being taken care of here already. By not being counted as poor or homeless, and then shuffled along from tent city to tent city before eventually being disappeared. Don't worry about fixing this problem though. Because charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Legs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 To be honest, I think we should take at least 2 million refugees. I think each one of us who posts here in this thread, if we make a pledge to take in one family each, would make a big difference. Just saving up on not buying Canucks ticket and just support the refugees will do it, I think. Who's with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstLine Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The poor and homeless are only brought up In situations like this? Bet a lot of people who bring up that point do absoulatelu nothing to help the "homeless" otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Legs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Just now, TheFirstLine said: The poor and homeless are only brought up In situations like this? Bet a lot of people who bring up that point do absoulatelu nothing to help the "homeless" otherwise. Support my proposal, bro. We're on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Legs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 1 hour ago, Fateless said: Because we're human beings that should be protecting life wherever possible? Sorry, am I being too hipster in suggesting life is precious? Totally agree with you. Life is precious. C'mon. I encourage you , just one family. Let's act on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruletherink Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 1 hour ago, WillyFox said: Why not help the poor and homeless in Canada. Because no one wants to help a bunch of lazy drug users who brought their troubles upon themselves for the most part. Get a job you bums! Move to another city if you can't afford Vancouver. No need for TFW's if a hobo gets off his butt and gets to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAce Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 13 hours ago, Fateless said: The Canadian budget always includes a foreign aid contingency fund that numbers in the billions. I would assume (at the risk of looking stupid) that this is where they are deriving their finances from. I'd also suggest that the financiers in government are in a better position to consider Canada's overall financial position and what we can do to help refugees in the current situation - civilians simply aren't "in the know" about the intricacies of the budget. I'm not sure why so many people subscribe to the belief that there are a multitude of ISIS agents hiding amongst the refugees - for starters, most refugees are stuck in refugee camps for over a year. In order to gain access to Canada, they undergo multiple screenings by multiple international and Canadian organizations to gain a clear understanding of their background and past - if they are any red flags, they're not going to be admitted. When you consider how much time and effort ISIS would have to put into getting their agents accepted as a refugee (faking documents, past actions, history, familial ties, etc), wouldn't it just be easier to enter Canada normally with faked documents? Or just enter illegally? Its not difficult to gain access to Canada - or borders are one of the most lax in the world. It makes no sense for ISIS to waste their time trying to sneak them in as refugees (a process that is arduous, difficult, low chance of success and time consuming) when they can simply gain access like any normal person - or just enter illegally. Because governments have always been good at spending within there means and not going over budget or putting Canada into debt ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Legs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Ok, here's the link. Anyone with me on this? http://lifelinesyria.ca/sponsor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanky Legs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 It's not that hard financially if you sponsor a family. Here's a sample: A refugee family of four will require a minimum of about $20,000 for support for a year plus start up costs of $7000; a family of five, about $22,500 plus $7200 start up. This is roughly equivalent to Social Assistance payments. Start up money is used to buy household items, such as beds and pots and pans, and other items that the refugees might not have, such as winter clothing. Start-up costs – housing deposits, furniture, utilities, clothing etc. – are required at the beginning of a sponsorship, while housing, food and transportation will be ongoing expenses. Smaller families involve lower costs. These costs can be reduced by donations in kind, such as by providing a place to live. A rough rule of thumb is that the cost will be equivalent to what a family on social assistance would receive. If a refugee becomes financially self-sufficient during the 12-month sponsorship period, the sponsors are not obligated to provide income support for the remainder of the sponsorship. But they must be prepared to resume assistance if the refugee ceases to be self-sufficient during their first year in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyFox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 18 minutes ago, ruletherink said: Because no one wants to help a bunch of lazy drug users who brought their troubles upon themselves for the most part. Get a job you bums! Move to another city if you can't afford Vancouver. No need for TFW's if a hobo gets off his butt and gets to work. That's a pretty ignorant thing to say you do know some people actually do have disabilities and can't work and hard times have put them on the street. I do agree it sucks that some people do choose drugs over working. What about people with mental health issues and can't work though? There are those people living on the streets man.. Just have to put yourself in their shoes and think for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 18 minutes ago, Stanky Legs said: It's not that hard financially if you sponsor a family. Here's a sample: A refugee family of four will require a minimum of about $20,000 for support for a year plus start up costs of $7000; a family of five, about $22,500 plus $7200 start up. This is roughly equivalent to Social Assistance payments. Start up money is used to buy household items, such as beds and pots and pans, and other items that the refugees might not have, such as winter clothing. Start-up costs – housing deposits, furniture, utilities, clothing etc. – are required at the beginning of a sponsorship, while housing, food and transportation will be ongoing expenses. Smaller families involve lower costs. These costs can be reduced by donations in kind, such as by providing a place to live. A rough rule of thumb is that the cost will be equivalent to what a family on social assistance would receive. If a refugee becomes financially self-sufficient during the 12-month sponsorship period, the sponsors are not obligated to provide income support for the remainder of the sponsorship. But they must be prepared to resume assistance if the refugee ceases to be self-sufficient during their first year in Canada. I am all for bringing people to safety and we have the space for sure, but how many Canadian families do you think can part with 30k extra for 4 hungry mouths ? How many families have the room for an entire family ? This is hilarious : D The gov made the decision and they can pull the money out of their stuffed pockets(our money anyways) to get these refugees on their feet. When the first politician takes in a family of four then you can suggest this to the wealthy Canadians. Do you have any idea how much food cost for 4 people per month ? Insurance ? travel costs ? Exactly how rich do you think the average Canadian is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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