[PGT] Oilers 1-2 Canucks

[lmm]

1 hour ago, Monteeun said:

You know, with 5 first overall/round picks in the Oilers lineup, I'm still surprised they couldn't do more damage.

to be fair the Oilers had 3 first rounders out of the line up, 2, 1st OAs.  There injury situation is almost as bad as ours. And Eberle and Nug look like they think they are getting traded. Desratl looked good but scored as much as Horvat, Hall looked good and scored as well as Bear. Missing their #1 d as well. Their # 3 line was almost their most noticeable much like a few games back when the Cracknell line was the only line going with out a Sedin on it.

Sure they have lots of high picks but the coaching merri-go-round of the last few years has not made the most of  those picks. the Oil do not have the luxury of the Sedins to rely on, and that is no more the fault of the current management/coach than it is the shrewdness of the Canucks current management. Of all the Oilers last five coaches, Pat Quinn is the only one I'd want behind an NHL bench, not counting McLellan.

As nice as it was to see Hansen score, no one would have been happy to see a Canuck goalie let in that softie.

take out the Sedins and I don't see much difference between these clubs.

That was far too close a game for any gloating.

But  that said, I liked what I saw from our rooks.

[Monteeun]

2 hours ago, lmm said:

to be fair the Oilers had 3 first rounders out of the line up, 2, 1st OAs.  There injury situation is almost as bad as ours. And Eberle and Nug look like they think they are getting traded. Desratl looked good but scored as much as Horvat, Hall looked good and scored as well as Bear. Missing their #1 d as well. Their # 3 line was almost their most noticeable much like a few games back when the Cracknell line was the only line going with out a Sedin on it.

Sure they have lots of high picks but the coaching merri-go-round of the last few years has not made the most of  those picks. the Oil do not have the luxury of the Sedins to rely on, and that is no more the fault of the current management/coach than it is the shrewdness of the Canucks current management. Of all the Oilers last five coaches, Pat Quinn is the only one I'd want behind an NHL bench, not counting McLellan.

As nice as it was to see Hansen score, no one would have been happy to see a Canuck goalie let in that softie.

take out the Sedins and I don't see much difference between these clubs.

That was far too close a game for any gloating.

But  that said, I liked what I saw from our rooks.

I will agree with you to a point where the previous coaches had probably hurt the young players and not guided them properly.

But for me, what i was really proud of is the fact that our backup players or young players did great in filling in the holes. Especially against their highly touted first round picks.

The one thing i will say about their injuries is that, even with their 3 first rounders out, they still had 5 in their lineup.

 

on a totally different note:

As for the game itself, we can gloat a little bit, all things considered. I think for most of us, watching the Canucks play well against a team with so many high end draft picks definitely feels good Especially when commentators have been raving about them for several years.

[Plaguez]

7 hours ago, coastal1 said:

That is so true! Anyone still thinks Edmonton is the wasy to go to build a team? Anyone still keen on going for Matthews? Isn't this Oilers team just absolutely and completely awful. I think it's time for a rebuild there.

Yes. Me.  Edmonton has an incredibly skilled group of forwards.  You do realize that they were missing McDavid right?  They are a goalie and a top defenseman  away from a special team. 

And if you don't want Mathews you would have to be at least partially brain dead.

[Monteeun]

11 minutes ago, PLOGUE said:

Yes. Me.  Edmonton has an incredibly skilled group of forwards.  You do realize that they were missing McDavid right?  They are a goalie and a top defenseman  away from a special team. 

And if you don't want Mathews you would have to be at least partially brain dead.

I don't know if that's fair. They also had Nugent, Eberle and hall in the lineup. As well as Nurse and Dras i think.

If you wanna say that those three are broken, then fair enough i guess.

[coastal1]

42 minutes ago, PLOGUE said:

Yes. Me.  Edmonton has an incredibly skilled group of forwards.  You do realize that they were missing McDavid right?  They are a goalie and a top defenseman  away from a special team. 

And if you don't want Mathews you would have to be at least partially brain dead.

Edmonton is 2 players from being a special team!! Only if you are referring to the special olympics or if those 2 players include Toews. Incredly skilled forwards like Eberle and Nugent Hopkins, yes skilled but  far from great hockey players-- not bad luck that this team is horrible year after year with them in the line up. And yes they missed McDavid. How did Chicago do when they missed Kane last year, or when they missed Keith this year? And finally yes Matthews is a good player but my point is that if you build your team by being a terrible team and drafting first overall, you get the Edmonton Oilers. You want that? Well, someone seems to be brain dead indeed!

[appleboy]

46 minutes ago, PLOGUE said:

Yes. Me.  Edmonton has an incredibly skilled group of forwards.  You do realize that they were missing McDavid right?  They are a goalie and a top defenseman  away from a special team. 

And if you don't want Mathews you would have to be at least partially brain dead.

and Yakupov who was starting to mesh with McDavid.

I still think the Oilers will make the playoffs.

[appleboy]

3 minutes ago, coastal1 said:

Edmonton is 2 players from being a special team!! Only if you are referring to the special olympics or if those 2 players include Toews. Incredly skilled forwards like Eberle and Nugent Hopkins, yes skilled but  far from great hockey players-- not bad luck that this team is horrible year after year with them in the line up. And yes they missed McDavid. How did Chicago do when they missed Kane last year, or when they missed Keith this year? And finally yes Matthews is a good player but my point is that if you build your team by being a terrible team and drafting first overall, you get the Edmonton Oilers. You want that? Well, someone seems to be brain dead indeed!

No

The Oilers were created by years of miss management. They drafted poorly and made one stupid move after another. If it was not for the first overall picks they would have nothing. We are all ready 5 years ahead of their rebuild. The flames are another good example of rebuilding quickly. It would not hurt us at all to draft very high again this year. It will not make us Edmonton.

[coastal1]

26 minutes ago, appleboy said:

No

The Oilers were created by years of miss management. They drafted poorly and made one stupid move after another. If it was not for the first overall picks they would have nothing. We are all ready 5 years ahead of their rebuild. The flames are another good example of rebuilding quickly. It would not hurt us at all to draft very high again this year. It will not make us Edmonton.

My point is that indeed a team gets first overall picks through terrible mismanagement. This means that hoping for Matthews= hoping for mismanagement. Drafting very high this year would not hurt us only if bad management doesn't hurt a team. Remember what happened to the management that brought us our 6th overal pick 2 years ago.

Calgary, a quick rebuild?They started selling 3 years ago- Iginla, Bouwmeister... And they are, I would say, at least 3 -4 years away from being a contender, if things continue to improve. If 6-7 years quick, then OK, I agree with you.

By the way, the terrible mismanagement in Edmonton continues as demonstrated by last summer's trade of Barzal for Griffin Reinhart.

[appleboy]

18 minutes ago, coastal1 said:

My point is that indeed a team gets first overall picks through terrible mismanagement. This means that hoping for Matthews= hoping for mismanagement. Drafting very high this year would not hurt us only if bad management doesn't hurt a team. Remember what happened to the management that brought us our 6th overal pick 2 years ago.

Calgary, a quick rebuild?They started selling 3 years ago- Iginla, Bouwmeister... And they are, I would say, at least 3 -4 years away from being a contender, if things continue to improve. If 6-7 years quick, then OK, I agree with you.

Yes we had some coaching problems more than management troubles and we drafted 6th. The next year we put up 101 points. The flames tried to put off their rebuild until the last second and are all ready on the right track. Becoming a true contender is a whole different topic. (first step is playoffs) We are running a lot of very young players who will go through ups and downs. Add injuries to the mix and we could easily miss the playoffs.  That is not poor management it is just part of the growing pains that we will go through.

There is no magical way out of this. A top 5 pick would not hurt if it came our way.

[Cowardrobertford]

Edmonton is just under a very very poor management

Oilers right now almost have every asset, a GM could dream of, to get themselves a 2 or decent d-man, a good goalie, and a veteran top 6 or players as good defensively as burrows or Higgins on their bot 6.

They could have been much better team under a different management.

[WHL rocks]

YOu guys spend much time in Edmonton? I go there often. I go there for something very dear to my heart and will probably move there soon if things go to plan, still the city sucks. It's old, dilapidated and boring.

Why would NHL millionaires want to live there? That's the reason for their team being terrible for so long. We don't have as big a problem attracting NHL players to our city. Our rebuild would be a bit different. No guarantees but having a handful of top 5 or top 10 picks could only help our cause.