Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm 4 episodes into this and it blows my mind how corrupt these guys were and everything they did to try and get away with it. Netflix has the full 1st episode on youtube. It's 10 episodes total http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34M2zdLc-2U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Creepy stuff, I love documentaries like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 I had to take a break after episode 5 cause I was so heated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocivus Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Not what I thought it was going to be at all. I was thinking it was going to be more of a documentary on the characteristics, actions, psychological behaviors etc that lead up to an adult being a murderer/serial killer/psychopath. I just watched the first episode on YouTube and daaaaamn did that get me pretty pissed. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This doc is an exercise in critical thinking. Ultimately, what do you think happened? If you were in the Sheriff's Dept, the judge, or a juror...what would you conclude? Someone got murdered...and if it wasn't Avery then who did it? Calumet Sheriffs didn't uncover any evidence to suggest another person, mostly because they didn't look for it...and that's pretty understandable from the get go. The whole picture looks incredibly unjust but it's hard to fault anyone outside of the Manitowoc dept, except maybe the interrogators. I'm left believing Avery was innocent but there's no confusion about why he was found guilty. If it was a frame-up it was an incredibly well done one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Is this documentary biased? I mean, in a way that only gives one side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 8 minutes ago, Qwags said: Is this documentary biased? I mean, in a way that only gives one side of the story. Every story is biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 7 minutes ago, theminister said: This doc is an exercise in critical thinking. Ultimately, what do you think happened? If you were in the Sheriff's Dept, the judge, or a juror...what would you conclude? Someone got murdered...and if it wasn't Avery then who did it? Calumet Sheriffs didn't uncover any evidence to suggest another person, mostly because they didn't look for it...and that's pretty understandable from the get go. The whole picture looks incredibly unjust but it's hard to fault anyone outside of the Manitowoc dept, except maybe the interrogators. I'm left believing Avery was innocent but there's no confusion about why he was found guilty. If it was a frame-up it was an incredibly well done one. I thought it was pretty poor frame up to be honest. The fact they got away with it blows my mind. 6 minutes ago, Qwags said: Is this documentary biased? I mean, in a way that only gives one side of the story. Ya it's definitely slanted towards the defense. But the prosecutor had a chance to be interviewed/clear up some stuff but declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Just now, theminister said: Every story is biased. True. But is the bias obvious, to the point of malice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 3 minutes ago, Qwags said: True. But is the bias obvious, to the point of malice? You'll have to decide for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 10 minutes ago, Poverty said: I thought it was pretty poor frame up to be honest. The fact they got away with it blows my mind. Ya it's definitely slanted towards the defense. But the prosecutor had a chance to be interviewed/clear up some stuff but declined. Burnt remains on the property within a few days without anyone seeing them do it? That's pretty incredible. Once those were found they wouldn't even look at anyone else for good reason. If it was a third party, then which officers decided immediately to frame up Avery? I can imagine that her itinerary had his name in it as a last appointment and then they naturally concluded it was him...but...it's also more than a major coincidence that no one else saw her after her visit to the Avery lot. If it was a cop...which one are you going to call a murderer? That means it was done solely with the intention of this outcome and he was being stalked/monitored. Conceivable with the lawsuit that they were looking for him to slip up...but that's a huge stretch to calling someone else a murderer too. No less just without evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 23 minutes ago, theminister said: Burnt remains on the property within a few days without anyone seeing them do it? That's pretty incredible. Once those were found they wouldn't even look at anyone else for good reason. If it was a third party, then which officers decided immediately to frame up Avery? I can imagine that her itinerary had his name in it as a last appointment and then they naturally concluded it was him...but...it's also more than a major coincidence that no one else saw her after her visit to the Avery lot. If it was a cop...which one are you going to call a murderer? That means it was done solely with the intention of this outcome and he was being stalked/monitored. Conceivable with the lawsuit that they were looking for him to slip up...but that's a huge stretch to calling someone else a murderer too. No less just without evidence. test can't figure out spoiler tags smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Spoiler I've only watched part way through episode 5 but I've googled some stuff unfortunately cause I was curious how it turned out. A couple things I can think of. -Avery hiding the car when he had access to a car crusher -They supposedly slit her throat yet find no DNA in his trailer or wherever the murder happened. -Evidence being tampered with from his original case in which a vial of his blood was found to have been opened/accessed -Lenk (a member of Manitowoc PD) being the one to find the Key in Avery's room even though Manitowoc PD wasn't supposed to be part of the search. The key was found right in the open and Lenk was the one that pointed it out on their 7th(I think) search -Only Avery's DNA was on the key they found, none of Teresa Halbach's DNA was found on it...odd seeing as how it was her key -Everything about Brenden's "confession" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 8 minutes ago, Blueberries said: Interesting stuff. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 39 minutes ago, Poverty said: Hide contents I've only watched part way through episode 5 but I've googled some stuff unfortunately cause I was curious how it turned out. A couple things I can think of. -Avery hiding the car when he had access to a car crusher -They supposedly slit her throat yet find no DNA in his trailer or wherever the murder happened. -Evidence being tampered with from his original case in which a vial of his blood was found to have been opened/accessed -Lenk (a member of Manitowoc PD) being the one to find the Key in Avery's room even though Manitowoc PD wasn't supposed to be part of the search. The key was found right in the open and Lenk was the one that pointed it out on their 7th(I think) search -Only Avery's DNA was on the key they found, none of Teresa Halbach's DNA was found on it...odd seeing as how it was her key -Everything about Brenden's "confession" I don't want to spoil the rest for you. I'd be interested in countering your points but you'd have to give me permission Again, the issue isn't with the problems of the case, those are detailed quite clearly, it's with the lack of evidence toward any other person and the circumstances of coordination that were required to end in that result. I have my own theory that I'd be happy to share but I don't want to use spoiler tags to discuss it For eveyone that hasn't watched it yet I recommend you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poverty Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 minute ago, theminister said: I don't want to spoil the rest for you. I'd be interesting in countering your points but you'd have to give me permission Again, the issue isn't with the problems of the case, those are detailed quite clearly, it's with the lack of evidence toward any other person and the circumstances of coordination that were required to end in that result. I have my own theory that I'd be happy to share but I don't want to use spoiler tags to discuss it For eveyone that hasn't watches it yet I reccommend you do. Alright, I'm planning on binge watching the rest tomorrow. So I'll have to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ಠ_ಠ Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 To those who have watched both, how would you compare it to Paradise Lost series of movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I would just like to say that I imagine most CDC posters to be equivalent to Brendan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, Stelar said: I would just like to say that I imagine most CDC posters to be equivalent to Brendan. That is giving to much credit he at least knows how to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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