Netflix documentary "Making a Murderer"

[Down by the River]

[kurtis]

18 hours ago, Down by the River said:

[nuckin_futz]

‘Making a Murderer': Steven Avery’s Ex-Fiancee Calls Him a ‘Monster

Jodi Stachowski, the ex-fiancee of “Making a Murderer” subject Steven Avery, says he is a “monster” and that “he’s not innocent” in the murder of Teresa Halbach.

In an interview with HLN’s Nancy Grace, Stachowski was asked why she decided to comment, given that the murder trial happened 10 years ago.

“The truth,” Stachowski said when asked about what she wanted people to know, “what a monster he is. He’s not innocent.”

She also claimed she was never in love with Avery, whom she dated for two years, and admitted that she “ate two boxes of rat poison just so I could go to the hospital to get away from him and ask them to get the police to help me.”

According to Nancy Grace’s senior producer Natisha Lance, this has been Stachowski’s truth all along, and Stachowski cited a long history of physical abuse by Avery’s hand, which police reports confirmed.

Stachowski also told her that Avery sent her a letter from prison, threatening to report her to the police and asking her for money. But the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are signing petitions to get Avery a retrial made her want to speak out now, saying that the “documentary is full of a bunch of lies.”

In fact, Stachowski said that Avery gave her directions to make him look good in the documentary, and that she wasn’t sure whether the filmmakers, Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi, knew what was actually going on in the relationship while they filmed “Making a Murderer.” She also allegedly asked them not to be in the documentary.

“Making a Murderer” follows the trial and conviction of Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey in the murder of Teresa Halbach, which both Avery and Dassey say they didn’t commit. However, on Mar. 1, 2006, Dassey confessed in a lengthy interview that he was part of the brutal rape, torture and killing of Halbach, only to retract those statements over the intervening months.

On Tuesday, Avery filed new appeal papers asking for his conviction in the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach to be thrown out. Avery — who submitted the filing on his behalf — claims a number of grievances, including an improper warrant, inadequate legal representation and a juror who tainted the rest of the jury with claims of Avery’s guilt.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/making-murderer-steven-avery-ex-fiancee-calls-him-222820873.html

[I'm Your Huckleberry]

Assuming all the above is true, I did find it weird how Avery always seemed to have a new partner in the documentary. Mind you, I was binge watching it so my concept of time was probably a little skewed. Also, there was that scene where he was on the phone with her and I think he said "I love you" or something like that and Jodi replied with "ya?" that was kind of strange. Pretty extreme thing for the film makers to overlook though if true. 

On the other hand though, if it was as bad as she said it was somebody MUST have noticed something while the film makers were around. Also, pretty sure when Steve was locked up the police tried to get her to rat on him and she didn't. I am by no means an expert on abusive relationships though and maybe she was still too afraid to say anything at that point.

This whole story just keeps getting weirder. 

[Down by the River]

5 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

‘Making a Murderer': Steven Avery’s Ex-Fiancee Calls Him a ‘Monster

Jodi Stachowski, the ex-fiancee of “Making a Murderer” subject Steven Avery, says he is a “monster” and that “he’s not innocent” in the murder of Teresa Halbach.

In an interview with HLN’s Nancy Grace, Stachowski was asked why she decided to comment, given that the murder trial happened 10 years ago.

“The truth,” Stachowski said when asked about what she wanted people to know, “what a monster he is. He’s not innocent.”

She also claimed she was never in love with Avery, whom she dated for two years, and admitted that she “ate two boxes of rat poison just so I could go to the hospital to get away from him and ask them to get the police to help me.”

According to Nancy Grace’s senior producer Natisha Lance, this has been Stachowski’s truth all along, and Stachowski cited a long history of physical abuse by Avery’s hand, which police reports confirmed.

Stachowski also told her that Avery sent her a letter from prison, threatening to report her to the police and asking her for money. But the fact that hundreds of thousands of people are signing petitions to get Avery a retrial made her want to speak out now, saying that the “documentary is full of a bunch of lies.”

In fact, Stachowski said that Avery gave her directions to make him look good in the documentary, and that she wasn’t sure whether the filmmakers, Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi, knew what was actually going on in the relationship while they filmed “Making a Murderer.” She also allegedly asked them not to be in the documentary.

“Making a Murderer” follows the trial and conviction of Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey in the murder of Teresa Halbach, which both Avery and Dassey say they didn’t commit. However, on Mar. 1, 2006, Dassey confessed in a lengthy interview that he was part of the brutal rape, torture and killing of Halbach, only to retract those statements over the intervening months.

On Tuesday, Avery filed new appeal papers asking for his conviction in the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach to be thrown out. Avery — who submitted the filing on his behalf — claims a number of grievances, including an improper warrant, inadequate legal representation and a juror who tainted the rest of the jury with claims of Avery’s guilt.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/making-murderer-steven-avery-ex-fiancee-calls-him-222820873.html

Immediately I believe nothing...

And I'm of the belief that Avery is a dirtbag as well. I just think that Nancy Grace is always going to present a biased point of view to fit her narrative, especially since her ethics are on par with Kratz:

 

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While a prosecutor, Grace was reprimanded by the Supreme Court of Georgia for withholding evidence and for making improper statements in a 1997 arson and murder case. The court overturned the conviction in that case and found that Grace's behavior "demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness and was inexcusable."^[9] As well, a 2005 federal appeals opinion by Judge William H. Pryor, Jr. found that Grace "played fast and loose" with core ethical rules in a 1990 triple murder case, including the withholding of evidence and allowing a police detective to testify falsely under oath. The 1990 murder conviction was upheld despite Grace's prosecutorial misconduct.

 

[The Bookie]

CNN is the only English language station I can get now so I just happened to catch this earlier. Such sketchy trashy journalism. They would basically just play a small interview clip, then cut to Nancy frothing at the mouth. If any of her "experts" went against her narrative she would immediately cut them off. I'm not giving this any credit until a day or two goes  by and there's more info/response.

(greetings from Havana! - after 5 late nights all my travel mates crashed early, I finally found a bar w decent Internet, and am chilling with a tequila & cigar catching up on all the week's hockey news - life is good!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Slegr]

I wonder if Steven Avery is related to Sean Avery? They both have a habit of getting into trouble and claiming innocence.

[peaches5]

Okay I am not going to make a massive post here but I have gone through all the evidence, literally everything. I know the evidence against him that was left out and I can tell you with the utmost certainty that he is not guilty. I am not saying he didn't kill her but he absolutely 100% did not kill her the way the "dirty" DA said he did. When you look at all the evidence none of it even points to Avery. The only evidence that does is the evidence that corroborates Brendan's made up confession and was planted by Detective Lenk and Sergeant Colburn.

When you look at the small amount of evidence that was not obviously planted by Lenk and Colburn the DA's story of what happened makes absolutely no sense at all. He just did not do what they claimed he did. It's also painfully obvious that Sergeant Colburn at the very least discovered the vehicle, and possibly the body, days before it was actually found.

All this new crap that is coming out from his ex wife and what not is completely meaningless its just more propaganda against him to try and convince people he is guilty to protect these dirty cops, judges, etc. These people deserve to be in jail for their gross misconduct. Hell, the evidence even suggests they could have done it. They had motive and Steven did not. 

There are things Brendan says about Avery which I believe are true and the documentary left out about him abusing him and his cousins sexually. I am not saying Steven is a good guy but he is absolutely innocent of what they've tried to convict him of. Saying oh this man is a demon he killed this young girl is ridiculous when you look at the evidence. This guy is a &^@#ing moron and you're telling me that this moron left absolutely no evidence? He is a SLOB if he killed this guy there would be blood and DNA everywhere.

[Slegr]

11 hours ago, peaches5 said:

Okay I am not going to make a massive post here but ...

... That's not massive?

I'm not convinced either way on whether Avery killed her. The smartest thing he did was buy $400k worth of lawyers. They planted enough doubt in this case that at least in the public eye there is very little certainty. 

[Down by the River]

1 hour ago, Slegr said:

... That's not massive?

I'm not convinced either way on whether Avery killed her. The smartest thing he did was buy $400k worth of lawyers. They planted enough doubt in this case that at least in the public eye there is very little certainty. 

That's an awful lot of cash for something that is ultimately not going to help whatsoever. 

[nuckin_futz]

13 hours ago, peaches5 said:

Okay I am not going to make a massive post here but I have gone through all the evidence, literally everything. I know the evidence against him that was left out and I can tell you with the utmost certainty that he is not guilty. I am not saying he didn't kill her but he absolutely 100% did not kill her the way the "dirty" DA said he did. When you look at all the evidence none of it even points to Avery. The only evidence that does is the evidence that corroborates Brendan's made up confession and was planted by Detective Lenk and Sergeant Colburn.

When you look at the small amount of evidence that was not obviously planted by Lenk and Colburn the DA's story of what happened makes absolutely no sense at all. He just did not do what they claimed he did. It's also painfully obvious that Sergeant Colburn at the very least discovered the vehicle, and possibly the body, days before it was actually found.

All this new crap that is coming out from his ex wife and what not is completely meaningless its just more propaganda against him to try and convince people he is guilty to protect these dirty cops, judges, etc. These people deserve to be in jail for their gross misconduct. Hell, the evidence even suggests they could have done it. They had motive and Steven did not. 

There are things Brendan says about Avery which I believe are true and the documentary left out about him abusing him and his cousins sexually. I am not saying Steven is a good guy but he is absolutely innocent of what they've tried to convict him of. Saying oh this man is a demon he killed this young girl is ridiculous when you look at the evidence. This guy is a &^@#ing moron and you're telling me that this moron left absolutely no evidence? He is a SLOB if he killed this guy there would be blood and DNA everywhere.

You're right, He may be guilty but he certainly did not receive a fair trial and should be granted a new one.

There's just so many things that make no sense. For instance Avery has a car crusher on his property. Why would he "hide" Halbach's vehicle on his own property in such an obvious fashion when he could have crushed it?

He knew enough to burn the body to get rid of it. So he burns the body in an open pit in his own yard using old tires as accelerant. I assume turning bone to ash requires either a lot of time of a tremendous amount of heat. So why didn't Avery simply use the smelter he has on his property?

According to the prosecution Avery is planning this whole thing out. So why does he leave the car laying around and charred bones in his own yard when he doesn't have to?

Dassey's lawyer Kachinsky did not serve the best interest of his client. Letting his client who was a minor, be interrogated by police without Kachinsky present or even informing his mother was unconscionable. In fact that was what was used to get a judge to boot Kachinsky as Dassey's attorney. How the judge allows the fruits of this poisonous interrogation to be admissible is baffling.

How Kachinsky is still practicing law is also baffling? Is there no Law Society in Wisconsin?

Lastly the victim was apparently tied to a bed and had her throat slit. Yet there is no blood on the mattress, wall or floor. Probably the first time in history that has happened.

[BradyBoone]

Haven't watched the documentary yet so I'll keep the opinion of innocent of guilty to myself. However I did catch some of the Nancy Grace program talking about this case. I can absolutely not stand that woman. I found myself immediately wanting Avery to somehow be cleared of his charges just out of spite. How is she still around? Ugh. 

[peaches5]

On 1/19/2016 at 2:24 PM, nuckin_futz said:

You're right, He may be guilty but he certainly did not receive a fair trial and should be granted a new one.

There's just so many things that make no sense. For instance Avery has a car crusher on his property. Why would he "hide" Halbach's vehicle on his own property in such an obvious fashion when he could have crushed it?

He knew enough to burn the body to get rid of it. So he burns the body in an open pit in his own yard using old tires as accelerant. I assume turning bone to ash requires either a lot of time of a tremendous amount of heat. So why didn't Avery simply use the smelter he has on his property?

According to the prosecution Avery is planning this whole thing out. So why does he leave the car laying around and charred bones in his own yard when he doesn't have to?

Dassey's lawyer Kachinsky did not serve the best interest of his client. Letting his client who was a minor, be interrogated by police without Kachinsky present or even informing his mother was unconscionable. In fact that was what was used to get a judge to boot Kachinsky as Dassey's attorney. How the judge allows the fruits of this poisonous interrogation to be admissible is baffling.

How Kachinsky is still practicing law is also baffling? Is there no Law Society in Wisconsin?

Lastly the victim was apparently tied to a bed and had her throat slit. Yet there is no blood on the mattress, wall or floor. Probably the first time in history that has happened.

Yea and you're forgetting that Steven Avery is not very smart. His IQ is likely under 100 and to think that he planned this all out so perfectly is in itself ridiculous. 

Brendon's story is inconsistent but the one the DA went with is that they didn't slit her throat in the bedroom but steven carried her to the garage where Steven told Brendan to stab her which he says he did then Steven stabbed her and then he shot her 5 times. Afterwards Steven carried her lifeless body to the burn barrel and they burned her body. This story just does not add up with the evidence that was collected on the eight days of searching the property, which again is unheard of; the police don't get 8 days to scour a property for evidence. It matches the evidence that Detective Lenk and Sergeant Colborn planted 4 months later on the "second" property search.  Brendan said after they carried her body to the burn barrel and burned it then they went back and moved her car which was parked beside the garage and then when they parked it Steven unhooked the battery cable. She wasn't put in the back of the car at any point according to Brendan's story. Funny how all the evidence detective Lenk or Colborn found matches Brendan's story yet the evidence not "planted' does not.

The victim's blood was found in her trunk against the side which the specialist said was from her bloodied hair. So you know 100% that she was at some point shot in the head or hit in the head and thrown into the back of her car. None of that adds up to any of Brendan's story and none of that makes sense for Steven murdering her because he would have no need to put her in the back of the car since everything was so close, and then if he did why would he not clean that up? He scrubbed everything else clean but left this car covered in her blood and his blood and sweat? That doesn't add up. 

Some people might say oh he smacked her in the head threw her in the car drove 20 yards to his mobile home and then unloaded her tied her to bed and then got Brendan. That would make sense but the evidence nor does Brendan story indicate that happened. If she was bleeding so badly and Steven moved her to his bed there would be blood on his bed and Brendan made no mention of her bleeding from the head at all. He claims to have cut her hair yet never made any mention of her bleeding profusely from the head? 

The police did not do an adequate job of investigating but at the top of the list as suspects are Detective Lenk, Sergeant Colborn and The Sheriff. These 3 had motives to wanting to set Avery up and this girl just fell into their lap and they could have easily murdered her, it would be farfetched had these guys not knowingly put Avery in jail for rape and then keep him there when they knew he was innocent, and knew exactly who actually did the rape. The guy then went and raped other people while being free and they didn't &^@#ing care. There are several other suspects too one which we don't even know anything about. There was a second suspect other than Avery that was even investigated. I would really like to know who exactly that was. The brother, the BF and roommate and of course, Brendan's brother and step dad, Tim I believe his name was, who are should have been investigated. 

[Lionized27]

I'll just leave this here:

 

Edward Edwards

[Violator]

Anybody have more insight with hallbacks phone records.

[Toni Zamboni]

 

 

[surtur]

So glad this documentary was made because it gets people involved who otherwise would never be involved. 

Everyone is looking at this case now. 

Is he innocent?  Did he do it? 

Who knows but the fact seems to be he did not get a fair unbiased trial. 

And this Edwards guy wtf would like to see more info on him to see if there is actually any way to connect him other then it was done in the same way he has done other murders. Can they place him in the area, is his dna anywhere?  Etc.. 

[Lionized27]

5 hours ago, surtur said:

So glad this documentary was made because it gets people involved who otherwise would never be involved. 

Everyone is looking at this case now. 

Is he innocent?  Did he do it? 

Who knows but the fact seems to be he did not get a fair unbiased trial. 

And this Edwards guy wtf would like to see more info on him to see if there is actually any way to connect him other then it was done in the same way he has done other murders. Can they place him in the area, is his dna anywhere?  Etc.. 

Not that it "links" him in any way but, according to the uproxx link available in the link I posted above, Edwards lived about an hour away from Avery at the time of the Halbach murder. 

[Down by the River]

An interesting perspective on the series:

http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.ca/2016/01/whats-wrong-with-making-murderer.html

More about the bias of the filmmakers and the narrative they spun.

[Hugor Hill]

2 hours ago, Down by the River said:

An interesting perspective on the series:

http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.ca/2016/01/whats-wrong-with-making-murderer.html

More about the bias of the filmmakers and the narrative they spun.

I disagree with all the points of the article.

A lot has been said about the evidence against Avery that was left out of the doc. What was also left out of the doc, of course, was the defence team's rebuttals of those evidence. If you search them online, you would realize that those evidence against Avery are actually very weak. The filmmakers did include the most crucial evidence against Avery.