J.I.A.H.N Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Everyone that objects to an Edler trade, says "he is a monster, he gobbles up large minutes, he is a #1/#2 dman, he is our leading point gettter on Defense" all vey correct, all of which leads me to my conclusion that we should trade him at this years TD For the record, I feel the same way, you can't trade him! But here is the reasons why you do, Edler is at a 40 pt clip and in the top 30 in points, also in the top 10 TOI for dman, also playing against everyones top offensive players.............He will never be worth more because of this, and he is one bad hit away from reinjuring his bad back Take our lessons from last year, when Vrbata was a 35 + goal scorer, or Hamhuis was still being looked at as an Olympian, not the broken down, injury prone player he is starting to look like........what was their values, and what are the now? 30 seems to be a turning point in Canucks careers and other than the Sedins, of which Edler is not in the same ilk........it just seems to be the tipping point Looking at the team, and where they are headed for over the next 2 to 3 years, it appears to me to be the ideal time to consider moving him........ Certainly a top 30 Dman this year............do you agree, and what is his value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Certainly a top 30 Dman this year............do you agree, and what is his value? Yes and no. You're right that his value has never been higher, but we have no one to replace him. If we could trade him at the draft for a Chychrun/Fabbro pick, that would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Everyone that objects to an Edler trade, says "he is a monster, he gobbles up large minutes, he is a #1/#2 dman, he is our leading point gettter on Defense" all vey correct, all of which leads me to my conclusion that we should trade him at this years TD For the record, I feel the same way, you can't trade him! But here is the reasons why you do, Edler is at a 40 pt clip and in the top 30 in points, also in the top 10 TOI for dman, also playing against everyones top offensive players.............He will never be worth more because of this, and he is one bad hit away from reinjuring his bad back Take our lessons from last year, when Vrbata was a 35 + goal scorer, or Hamhuis was still being looked at as an Olympian, not the broken down, injury prone player he is starting to look like........what was their values, and what are the now? 30 seems to be a turning point in Canucks careers and other than the Sedins, of which Edler is not in the same ilk........it just seems to be the tipping point Looking at the team, and where they are headed for over the next 2 to 3 years, it appears to me to be the ideal time to consider moving him........ Certainly a top 30 Dman this year............do you agree, and what is his value? NTC and of all of them probably the hardest one to convince to move. He seems to really like living in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Ottawa could be a good trading partner for him, Edler and Karlsson would look nice together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Is it really that hard for people to understand that Edler has already said no to waiving his NTC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Edler has been asked to waive his NMC and has said no, but if management were brave enough to ask Juice to waive his, I don't see why they wouldn't have the balls to ask Edler to waive again. If you tell him he isn't in your future plans, and work out a deal with a team like Detroit, or Ottawa, both teams that have some Swedes, I think he would waive. Something around Edler and Chabot would tickle my fancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 minute ago, SwedeHockey said: Edler has been asked to waive his NMC and has said no, but if management were brave enough to ask Juice to waive his, I don't see why they wouldn't have the balls to ask Edler to waive again. If you tell him he isn't in your future plans, and work out a deal with a team like Detroit, or Ottawa, both teams that have some Swedes, I think he would waive. Something around Edler and Chabot would tickle my fancy. Do you think JB could keep a straight face while saying to his top player in average time on ice, who is still in his 20's albeit not for much longer and who plays against the opponents' top lines, that he isn't in the team's future plans? Do you think Edler would break out laughing at how nonsensical that statement would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 The sad part is, if our drafting from 2006-2011 wasn't such a massive black hole we wouldn't even need to think about trading Edler. The only reason you'd trade him is to get younger pieces back - pieces that should already be in our system and supporting a guy like Edler on our blueline. I really think Edler should remain a part of this team because Edler-Tanev is such a solid pairing and we need some sort of structure. You cut the ties with Hamhuis, Weber and Bartkowski - hopefully moving Hamhuis at the deadline if he's healthy enough to get an okay return - and find a good top 4 d-man in free agency to pair with Sbisa. Hutton and Biega end up being the third pairing and Pedan can be the 7th man next season. That way you let the younger guys (Hutton, Pedan) gain experience while slowly phasing out the vets. It started with Garrison, then Bieksa, now Hamhuis and perhaps down the road Edler's time will come but I don't think that's now. (Also, beating a dead horse - I just wish we'd kept Corrado around.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 we don't even know if benning wants to move edler....maybe in a couple of years....who takes his place....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Benning to Alex's agent We want to move Alex, as we see it getting very hard around here for a few years, and want to move him before he gets injured from the constant pressure he will be under. We had talked to Ottawa, Detroit, the Island and Rangers, and they have all expressed a lot of interest in him. In particular, Ottawa has said he would be paired with Karlsson on the first pairing and be put on the #1 powerplay unit. We think this is a good fit for Alex, and a good deal for us. If Alex isn't keen on going to Ottawa, could he provide us with a list of 10 teams he would be interested in going to? I am sure Alex won't be happy with this, but we have to move forward and feel it is best for the team. Agent to Benning I can ask! I am sure if Alex understands you don't want him, he won't want to be here. I will get back to you. Alex's agent to Alex Yup, they want you to move, they say Ottawa, Detroit, Islanders and Rangers are really interested Alex to Agent Ahh! My wife has already said she doen't want to move Agent to Alex I know all that Alex, but they really are wanting to move you, and to be honest, if they don't want you now, in 2 more years, they just may not sign you or certainly they will make it painful, this happens all the time and if you don't want to go through this time and time again, then ultimately end up signing somewhere else any ways, because they won't offer as much. Truth is Ottawa really wants you and they are saying they will play you with Karlsson.....they are an up and coming team, I think it would be good for extending your career, and you would be home more, with less travel......honestly it will probably be the best situation you can get....if you don't like it in 2 years.....we can look at it and sign with Seattle or another western team.......but I think you should take it...... Alex to Agent &^%$$%^, ok, just a minute ! I will talk to the wife! Alex to Agent Yes, we will accept Ottawa, but my wife told me to tell Benning something! Agent What? Alex Ummmm, never mind, I let her tell him herself. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That monolog took it to far. This has been beaten around the bush at least 8 times previous to this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sorry GT......it was really in response to Tyhee....but I got carried away.......but I think it would go something like that..... Apologies, again! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Don't you just love Gillis handing out NTCs to every player and their grandmothers? Not saying Edler didn't deserve a NTC during his extension signing per say, but seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 sorry who eats his 24 mins a game? and adds offense more than his 30-40 point clip ? at five mill a yr? shutting down top lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 hour ago, stonecoldstevebernier said: The sad part is, if our drafting from 2006-2011 wasn't such a massive black hole we wouldn't even need to think about trading Edler. The only reason you'd trade him is to get younger pieces back - pieces that should already be in our system and supporting a guy like Edler on our blueline. I really think Edler should remain a part of this team because Edler-Tanev is such a solid pairing and we need some sort of structure. You cut the ties with Hamhuis, Weber and Bartkowski - hopefully moving Hamhuis at the deadline if he's healthy enough to get an okay return - and find a good top 4 d-man in free agency to pair with Sbisa. Hutton and Biega end up being the third pairing and Pedan can be the 7th man next season. That way you let the younger guys (Hutton, Pedan) gain experience while slowly phasing out the vets. It started with Garrison, then Bieksa, now Hamhuis and perhaps down the road Edler's time will come but I don't think that's now. (Also, beating a dead horse - I just wish we'd kept Corrado around.) I agree with you. But would the stuff coming back our way for a guy like Edler at the trade deadline ever be tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Ideally, Edler could be traded at the deadline or the draft, but odds are he'll be injured by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Threads like this just highlight how ignorant and under-appreciative CDC is of some of the Canucks. Edler is the most underrated player on these forums. He has literally been the only consistent force on this blueline all season long. 24-25 minutes a night playing with essentially 5 defencemen who belong in the press-box or AHL on a nightly basis, and somehow Alex Edler has held our defence together. When he's on, we have a chance at winning games, when he has an off-night we get blown out. Most of our games depend on how Edler, the Sedins and Miller play. You take away Edler from this blueline and we're the worst in the West by a long shot. No one else is going to play those heavy minutes that well. People just see the occasional brain-fart or bad pass and judge Edler but the fact is that all the defencemen in the league make bad plays. Seabrook cost Chicago a game the other week on a brutal pass up the middle in OT similar to Edler's gaff against LA. They all make mistakes, especially defencemen past their prime. The fact of the matter is that Edler does FAR FAR FAR more good to this team than bad which is why he has to stay. Unless we can miraculously trade Edler + picks/prospects for a defenceman who's younger and can come in and eat up his 25 minutes a night, we are worse off by trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'm down with trading Edler. I think the time has come to move him out. It would probably be good for him and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 hours ago, tyhee said: Do you think JB could keep a straight face while saying to his top player in average time on ice, who is still in his 20's albeit not for much longer and who plays against the opponents' top lines, that he isn't in the team's future plans? Do you think Edler would break out laughing at how nonsensical that statement would be? How old is edler at the start of next season? How old will Horvat, McCann, Virtanen, Boeser, Shinkaruk, Demko be. There is a huge age gap. When canucks new core is in it's prime, Edler will be 34+ and past his prime date. Right now Canucks need to be stock piling assets, not just picks, but young players that fit with the rest of our teams and age. Add to the fact that canucks have an abundance of left handed D. Hutton, Sbisa, Pedan, Tryamkin, Brisebrois. In 5 years, what do you think Edler's role would be on this team? How do you see him in canucks future plans? In five years, when our young core starts to hit it's prime what do you think Edler's value would be then? Trade him this year or next year to pick up the young assets that we need. He has more value to us in a possible return than what he will provide this team over the remainder of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 It's definitely a tough decision to make, and I don't envy management for having the privilege of making it. While he will bring back decent if not premium assets if he's dealt now, as others have mentioned he's a needed force on the blue-line, and (as I'm sure others have said about Hammer before his decline) without him the floodgates would open as we don't have anyone close to capable of replacing him. That being said, when he does follow in the likes of Hammer and Juice's footsteps and begins to decline, we'll be in a spot where management is blamed for moving him too late (like how the Flames fans hated on them for moving Iggy late and not getting anything for Kipper). The problem is, there's really no set timetable (aside from when management decides on it) or real indicators in performance to definitively suggest when the optimal time for a trade of that magnitude should happen (case in point, Hammer's decline hasn't taken place all at once), as you don't see teams just drop their stars when they tank or when their stars get old. Rather, even if their star underachieves they would look to find a replacement (albeit a lesser one) for them or they are replaced by younger guys while they fade out into lesser roles as you simply can't just leave a gaping hole in the back end. Case in point, with Nathan Beaulieu's emergence on the Habs' left-side D they can reduce Markov's duties so he can play a more offensively-oriented role, as he is undoubtedly getting older. Meanwhile, for guys who are in their prime it's highly rare that they're dealt, and if they are I wouldn't be surprised if a Yandle or Kesler-type package is needed (lesser positional replacement, top prospect and picks for Yandle; lesser replacement, picks for Kes). There's also the Eriksson-Seguin type swap (trading for a proven vet with less upside for present returns) or Myers-Bogosian trade (pretty much lateral but to ensure the value is there). For Alex, I definitely think that if a Yandle/ Kes-type deal would be the most realistic option, as it's unlikely that other teams would straight-up shake their foundation and do a one-for-one star swap, especially if a move for a #1/ #2-D would likely necessitate a #1-#2 guy in return, and #1's rarely get moved in their prime. Seeing as Ottawa seems to be a discussed destination, I'd want something like Ceci (lesser replacement), Chabot (prospect) and 1st for Edler, as he has term and so they'll get a guy who'll be with them for awhile. Prior to other moves (e.g. for Hammer), the back end could look like (with one puck-mover and a two-way guy per pair) Hammer - Ceci (Cody's played 20+ minutes this season; if it's too much they can promote Chris to #1 RD) Hutton - Tanev (Hutton's had up to 19 this season, so 2nd pairing minutes should be manageable) Sbisa - Biega (physical defender with safe puck-mover with some offense) To me, that doesn't look TOO bad, although they'll have to split the minutes and both top-4 pairs will need to play 20+ mins. With Pedan, Chabot, Subban, Tryamkin and whoever Hammer and Vrbata bring back I'm sure they'll be able to patch up the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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