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luckylager

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So, it's my first topic ever, and although it won't be as beautifully layed out, full of neat stats and pictures as some, it's a worthy discussion- our tired ass power play.

The PP has been terrible recently and also very inconsistent for a few years now. Predictable and boring.

First unit- They're flat, stationary (not pens or pencils), the puck isn't crossing the net frequently or fast enough to get the keeper moving and the shot choices just seem weak. Not enough quick passing or player rotation, just Hank on the half boards waiting for a dman to trip and fall. Revitalise the twins with JV as the net presence / LW slot, Hutton and Edler. But the key here is move your feet, pass quickly and get the keeper moving. All of the best PP get the keeper moving side to side.

Second unit- We don't yet have a qb. Bo with Chris "misses the wide open net" Higgins and a rotating cast of has beens and maybe will be's isn't working. I say get Bo, Jared and Baer out there with Vrb and Bart.

I'm not attached to my whimsical PP lines, just ideas to help spur conversation.

The PP needs help badly, the PK is another story for another day. 

If my tablet does light on fire and I can actually sleep tonight, I might start another topic in 5 or so years. Cheers CDC

 

 

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1 minute ago, luckylager said:

So, it's my first topic ever, and although it won't be as beautifully layed out, full of neat stats and pictures as some, it's a worthy discussion- our tired ass power play.

The PP has been terrible recently and also very inconsistent for a few years now. Predictable and boring.

First unit- They're flat, stationary (not pens or pencils), the puck isn't crossing the net frequently or fast enough to get the keeper moving and the shot choices just seem weak. Not enough quick passing or player rotation, just Hank on the half boards waiting for a dman to trip and fall. Revitalise the twins with JV as the net presence / LW slot, Hutton and Edler. But the key here is move your feet, pass quickly and get the keeper moving. All of the best PP get the keeper moving side to side.

Second unit- We don't yet have a qb. Bo with Chris "misses the wide open net" Higgins and a rotating cast of has beens and maybe will be's isn't working. I say get Bo, Jared and Baer out there with Vrb and Bart.

I'm not attached to my whimsical PP lines, just ideas to help spur conversation.

The PP needs help badly, the PK is another story for another day. 

If my tablet does light on fire and I can actually sleep tonight, I might start another topic in 5 or so years. Cheers CDC

 

 

Trade for Drouin, and Rychel.  Draft Pulijujaarvi.  PP fixed:)

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16 minutes ago, luckylager said:

 

Second unit- We don't yet have a qb. Bo with Chris "misses the wide open net" Higgins and a rotating cast of has beens and maybe will be's isn't working. I say get Bo, Jared and Baer out there with Vrb and Bart.

 

I wonder if there is a stat for scoring opportunities that miss the net. If so, I would say that Weber leads the team but Higgins is solidly in the race.

 

ps. I also like watching water boil, especially if you have a clear glass kettle, kinda cool actually.

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17 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Not to pile on but I haven't seen weber hit the net since I don't know when....so when the first line gets held to the perimeter and pp2 tries shots......well....

Yup, Weber is a problem, and not just on the PP, almost every second he's out there. He made a decent play with his stick early in December to be fair... In my PP line-up he's in the pressbox..

16 minutes ago, Kazmanian Devil said:

I happen to love watching water boil.

Like all the way, or just once it's boiling? I find watching boiling water soothing, waiting for it to boil is aggravating though.

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43 minutes ago, luckylager said:

So, it's my first topic ever, and although it won't be as beautifully layed out, full of neat stats and pictures as some, it's a worthy discussion- our tired ass power play.

The PP has been terrible recently and also very inconsistent for a few years now. Predictable and boring.

First unit- They're flat, stationary (not pens or pencils), the puck isn't crossing the net frequently or fast enough to get the keeper moving and the shot choices just seem weak. Not enough quick passing or player rotation, just Hank on the half boards waiting for a dman to trip and fall. Revitalise the twins with JV as the net presence / LW slot, Hutton and Edler. But the key here is move your feet, pass quickly and get the keeper moving. All of the best PP get the keeper moving side to side.

Second unit- We don't yet have a qb. Bo with Chris "misses the wide open net" Higgins and a rotating cast of has beens and maybe will be's isn't working. I say get Bo, Jared and Baer out there with Vrb and Bart.

I'm not attached to my whimsical PP lines, just ideas to help spur conversation.

The PP needs help badly, the PK is another story for another day. 

If my tablet does light on fire and I can actually sleep tonight, I might start another topic in 5 or so years. Cheers CDC

 

 

This is a very good post (and first post).

I will concur on the following then give you some arguments for and against!

1. Concur we are stale and predictable

2. I like your thinking on PP units for the most part - certainly guys like Higgins and Dorsett should never see the PP!

Now the issues:

1. WD will never take Weber off one of the units - his shot is too hard and that's his only "Potential value" to this team as a PP specialist - I know you are making a hypothetical line up but I think WD is way to stubborn to accept his PP pet is failing, even when he can't get his shot on net consistently, and is coughing up the puck alot at the point - But I agree with removing him. I would actually love to see Pedan there but until he's been around a few years, it won't happen. But his shot is a rocket, he's mobile and he's so big his reach gets his stick in a good shooting lane  by barely moving.

2. I think part of the issue with PP1 is when its on, its on. The twins are so good that they can actually play the same spots and be effective, even though teams know where they are, so adjusting that is going to be hard and I would say wrong. Henrik is deadly off the 1/2 boards and Daniel is brilliant down low and cutting to spots in front. That being said, what we need is a consistent net front presence and garbage collector like Burr was for years as this ties up a defender and gives the twins more room (maybe its as simply as putting him right back in that spot?), but Virt is worth a try.  What I really think we need is for our Dmen to watch Hutton a bit more, and his patience with the puck. If you notice, when he's on the point, if there's no lane to shoot, he simple crosses over and slides a few feet to the left  or right to create a lane. I see Edler and Weber too often just trying a one timer and either missing the net or hitting the defender, they need to slide and find a shooting lane. Perhaps its nerves, perhaps its lack of mobility but they NEED to learn to do that. A shot doesn't always have to be hard, it needs to get through...and if you have the net front presence along with guys crashing the net...good things come

3. PP2 - I'd like to see Bo, Vrbata and Baer up front, with McCann at the point with Weber. McCann is actually smarter with his passing than Vrbata and I actually think has a harder shot. Vrbata is deadly from certain spots around the net, let him stay there. His shots from the point have generally been weak and very 'predictable'. He sets up in the Ovechkin spot in the circle but doesn't have the release or heat on his shot to catch goalies that often.

4. I know I know on Weber, but just being realistic. I don't see WD taking him off that spot. With McCann playing QB, Weber can just sit and wait to unload, so it removes some of his responsibility.

Just my thoughts, but pretty much aligned with yours, and I agree movement is key, players need to rotate more vs standing in the same spot..tends to get you to be first on loose pucks as well.

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23 minutes ago, luckylager said:

 

I liked Drouin as a Jr. but he hasn't really proved he can handle the puny, weak SE, so he's a big no for me out west.

Not a trade thread.

It's a fix the PP thread.  IMHAO we can't fix it without changing players.  We need two young elite skilled prospects to replace the Twins.  That will fix our PP.. 

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4 minutes ago, homersexual said:

PP was top 10 last year. The problem this year is that Linden Vey hasn't been on the first unit PP as he was last year.

Guilty of not looking back at stats, just going off memory, and I remember differently I guess... Really, top 10? Oh ya.. but it disappears when it matters. I remember now.

Weird they'd waive Vey if he was the catalyst... Pretty sure he had 1 PP time for a month or so early, then... not so much. 

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