Derp... Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 By old NHL standards where points are not awarded for an OT loss and you still have the tie we would have a fabulous record of:12 Wins 23 Losses 5 Ties29 POINTS!!!! in 40 GAMESS~~!!New NHL gave us an extra 10 points though. Thanks new NHL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 2 hours ago, LaBamba said: I know this sounds crazy but I mess around with time travel. Im probably going to upset the balance of time but I'm going to go ahead and give you a rundown of what is about to happen. As soon as we get healthy we will claw our way into the playoffs. We will hold onto our streaking pending UFA's due to our playoff position. We will beat the equally crappy 2nd/3rd seed in the pacific. The Kings will lose a gruelling 7 game series against a Central division wildcard. We will upset a Beat up central division opponent with Miller standing on his head. We will then be swept in the western conference final and pick 4th last in the draft. We will pick Tyler Benson, or something useless like a goalie. Hammer, Vrb and Weber get multi year extensions with NMC's. Almost or barely make the playoffs next 5 years. I don't know if your joking or just really depressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 this is a joke . does anyone think that this manager would tank on purpose ????????? they are busting their asses trying to win every night .. they have done the best they can with what they have . its called sports .. not every team can be winners every year . I believe in what benning is doing and how he's doing it . I have no other choice . Im a god damn fan for life . when the good times come back around , at least I will know I stuck with em through it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, ABNuck said: I will agree that tanking is one way to get good players, but it's also the riskiest. Anything can happen to any player at any time, but once you add in the x factor of talent uncertainty (players don't live up to the hype), it seems like a better, safer bet to go with established players. I'm with the re-tool crowd...but it needs to be a serious re-tool (not just adding cheap and easy to get 3rd liners). We need to dump some overpaid players to free up cap space, and make a serious run at some upcoming UFA's that are in that 24 to 28 year old range. Why not try and get say a Kopitar or trade for Johansen or something along those lines. Here's the thought process behind this: You draft a high pick or 2 in the hopes that they turn into Anze Kopitar / Alex Goligoski / Keith Yandle type player. The chance of drafting that player, then having that player lead you to a SC while still on his ELC are slim. So you're probably going to be waiting until he is making some serious coin before you make that run anyways. So why not jump start that process and grab say Kopitar and Yandle now, while we still have the Sedins, and be a serious threat with a good top 6 F, a good top 4 D and Miller. Keep it together for a couple years while we wait for the next gen to develop and stay a serious contender for a few years instead of waiting to hopefully be one in a few years. Just my 1/5 of a dime...so just to be clear, I'm anti-tank (get it?...ha!) You can rub it in my face if I'm wrong, but this is a real good year to tank. There are 6-8 future studs in the top part of the draft. So even if you miss out on Mathews your still getting a blue chipper. Id say it's pretty on par with the 2013 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 People still believe that there is some sort of magic tanking formula to success no matter how many times others post actual facts. The most likely outcome of sucking badly will be to continue sucking badly for a long long time and still never win a Cup. You can't point to the couple of exceptions (who did not tank... they were just bad teams who couldn't win even though they were trying), and ignore the bulk of the teams who have been out of the playoffs for years and continue to be out of the playoffs without even a sniff at success. If we are out of the playoff race, then by all means become sellers and ditch some veterans. That isn't tanking, just asset management since the season is lost already, there have been buyers and sellers every deadline it is nothing new. The "tanking" crowd has wanted us to purposefully throw away seasons even when we were high up in the standings in order to lose as badly as possible. Considering how some of our veterans are playing you even might want to worry that if we trade them away we will get better with a bunch of AHLers in the lineup. Odds are outside of Matthews you will get a serviceable player and not a franchise talent to build around. Even he isn't a guaranteed top line player. Even by being last in the league you are only getting a 1 in 5 shot at Matthew, and unlike in the past you aren't guaranteed 2nd pick you could fall to 4th. As mentioned above, it is a far safer bet to swing for the fences on a couple of established top end players as a UFA or trade. You can supplement them with solid players you draft outside the lottery picks who are on cheap contracts. Getting Stamkos for example makes your team significantly better as it drops everyone else down a notch facing lesser opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Fizzure said: We will have to agree to disagree. Which is perfectly fine. Benning is a draft guy. I think we all agree. I just can't see him bailing on his own pick like that. I would bet it's a matter of personal pride. Many people would argue there were a couple better picks at that spot. No I think Virtanen is on Benning's no touch list. He wouldn't trade Virtanen unless an overpayment of something like Seth Jones was offered. Which would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just now, Provost said: People still believe that there is some sort of magic tanking formula to success no matter how many times others post actual facts. The most likely outcome of sucking badly will be to continue sucking badly for a long long time and still never win a Cup. You can't point to the couple of exceptions (who did not tank... they were just bad teams who couldn't win even though they were trying), and ignore the bulk of the teams who have been out of the playoffs for years and continue to be out of the playoffs without even a sniff at success. If we are out of the playoff race, then by all means become sellers and ditch some veterans. That isn't tanking, just asset management since the season is lost already, there have been buyers and sellers every deadline it is nothing new. The "tanking" crowd has wanted us to purposefully throw away seasons even when we were high up in the standings in order to lose as badly as possible. Considering how some of our veterans are playing you even might want to worry that if we trade them away we will get better with a bunch of AHLers in the lineup. Odds are outside of Matthews you will get a serviceable player and not a franchise talent to build around. Even he isn't a guaranteed top line player. Even by being last in the league you are only getting a 1 in 5 shot at Matthew, and unlike in the past you aren't guaranteed 2nd pick you could fall to 4th. what pick were the Sedin twins taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: what pick were the Sedin twins taken? Sometimes I question your sanity but your right on this one Des. Our best years were because we accidently tanked and got the Twins. But we got lucky. We got the twins and the 2 bottom feeders got Brendal and Stephan lol this drafts top 7-8 are all great prospects. So if we lose, we win. We have a few great supporting pieces, but we need top line forwards to replace the twins. If the top forwards are gone we could always go the Juolevi or Chychrun route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just now, desiboynux4lifee******* said: what pick were the Sedin twins taken? How many Cups have we won with them? Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Your idea is to suck badly for a number of years for a "chance" at getting a couple rounds farther in the playoffs and still losing? Who was taken 1st overall that year? How many Cups did he help his team win? Never scored 15 goals in a season. How about the two guys picked after the Sedins? How many Cups did they win? How about the #1 pick the next year? How many Cups did Dipietro win for his team? How about the #1 pick the year after that? Did Kovalchuk vault the Thrashers into the Cup final and hoist it? How about the #1 pick after that? Rick Nash won how many Cups for Columbus? And After that? Pittsburgh didn't own the top pick but traded up to the 1st overall and picked Fleury. They won a Cup despite him in goal... his numbers were atrocious that playoffs. After that Ovechkin, he owns zero Cups to his name. See how getting a top pick guarantees you a Cup in just a couple years! Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just now, Provost said: How many Cups have we won with them? Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Your idea is to suck badly for a number of years for a "chance" at getting a couple rounds farther in the playoffs and still losing? Who was taken 1st overall that year? How many Cups did he help his team win? Never scored 15 goals in a season. How about the two guys picked after the Sedins? How many Cups did they win? How about the #1 pick the next year? How many Cups did Dipietro win for his team? How about the #1 pick the year after that? Did Kovalchuk vault the Thrashers into the Cup final and hoist it? How about the #1 pick after that? Rick Nash won how many Cups for Columbus? And After that? Pittsburgh didn't own the top pick but traded up to the 1st overall and picked Fleury. They won a Cup despite him in goal... his numbers were atrocious that playoffs. After that Ovechkin, he owns zero Cups to his name. See how getting a top pick guarantees you a Cup in just a couple years! Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The exception doesn't make the rule... Even the exceptions are weak arguments. Chicago wasn't last place in the league, they were slated to pick 5th and won the lottery against the odds to get Kane. If we end up with the 10th pick we can also win the lottery and hope it is a year with a real difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Provost said: The exception doesn't make the rule... It's all he's got on that side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 No one wins a Cup with one 1st overall pick, or 2 for that matter. It's a long process, Gotta suck for several years and accumulate lots of top end talent. Some picks work out and some don't. You're not going to draft an all star every time you have a top 5 pick. But chances of getting that player with a top 5 or top 10 pick are better than getting him at pick 10 to 20. Don't understand how some of you keep arguing that 1 top pick doesn't win a Cup. Obviously not, it's a team sport. You need lots of top end talent to win and it doesn't have to be 1st overall every year but it can only help. You can even trade that high pick for proven talent at other areas of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nope. Benning and Willie both said this team is better than last year's. I'm expecting nothing less 31-10-1 in our final 42 games to reach 102 points based on their expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think you people are more interested in watching the draft than watching actual hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said: I think you people are more interested in watching the draft than watching actual hockey This year? Yes. The last game I watched against Arizona I almost passed out from boredom. I get more entertainment from these boards and the upcoming draft. I haven't been excited about this team since we got bent over by San Jose in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hit rock-bottom, tested ploy at redemption Futile war, or the mother of invention? Middle ground: no-man's-land Get top kids, make new brand Or is staggering old path traveled, our intention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 This team would be in better shape with Sutter. If you are a pro at any level of the org you play to win. Trying to lose isn't really that different from matching fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 4 hours ago, Darkstar said: Long-time "tank nation" member here. Any benefits? Yes - watching crappy hockey for seven years or so and still facing the very real possibility of no cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 4 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: You can rub it in my face if I'm wrong, but this is a real good year to tank. There are 6-8 future possible studs in the top part of the draft. So even if you miss out on Mathews your still getting a blue chipper. Id say it's pretty on par with the 2013 draft. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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