A NEW BEGINNING Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 While reading the Hunter Shinkaruk post, I stumbled on to the AHL all-star list from another poster. And there in easy to read words and numbers, is the proof of what many of posters have been saying.............most (Not All) top end players are born in the first round of the NHL draft. The AHL, the developmental grounds of most NHL players that do not go directly into the NHL, listed the players and the rounds which they were drafted in, there in living color was 10 of 16 defensemen drafted in the 1st round. This was to an overall extent, the same throughout the 4 rosters, in all positions. The point of posting this is only to illustrate to CDCers the absolute truth for debate purposes, and whether trading vets for picks is a good idea. I have posted before, percentages of what areas of the draft most blue chippers come from, which is, the higher the pick the higher the percentage of success is, and the higher the talent ceiling the higher chance of developing to that ceiling. I apologize for the way this is presented, I wish I was better at it, but in discussions about why we need the highest possible draft positions and trade returns, this may not be absolute proof, but I think this is truly relevant. http://uticacomets.com/shinkaruk-named-ahl-all-star/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Get more and higher picks. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 So you just find out that higher picks = higher end talent. NICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Wow now we know the problem!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A NEW BEGINNING Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: So you just find out that higher picks = higher end talent. NICE GT of all posters, you are well aware of the constant argument between posters as to what and why trading vets while near their apex is a good thing Even Edler does not escape this conclusion! I am just a little surprised of your response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Well we aren't trading our vets because we have no one to replace them, and the ones that are expandable aren't at the apex of their careers. How are you going to replace Edlers 25 minutes a night? the answer is we can't, this is why he will not be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 35 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: Well we aren't trading our vets because we have no one to replace them, and the ones that are expandable aren't at the apex of their careers. How are you going to replace Edlers 25 minutes a night? the answer is we can't, this is why he will not be traded. This isn't what anybody wants to hear but is closer to reality than 90% of posts on CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Wait!!! How is it that nobody has noticed yet that it didn't list the rounds they were drafted in. It listed appearances in all star games... The 1st means it's their first all star game.. What a fail thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, JohnLocke said: Wait!!! How is it that nobody has noticed yet that it didn't list the rounds they were drafted in. It listed appearances in all star games... The 1st means it's their first all star game.. What a fail thread. Lol i didn't even bother to look at the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 32 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: This isn't what anybody wants to hear but is closer to reality than 90% of posts on CDC. Sadly true. Edler would fetch a 1st but we would be without a top 4 defenceman for a few years, baring and ufa signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 1 hour ago, John Tortorella said: Sadly true. Edler would fetch a 1st but we would be without a top 4 defenceman for a few years, baring and ufa signings Trade Edler for a first. And then sign a top 4 dman in the off-season, and draft a bunch of them in this year's draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Trading Edler is a dumb idea unless it's too good a deal to pass up and you get Edler to waive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 1 minute ago, messier's_elbow said: Trading Edler is a dumb idea unless it's too good a deal to pass up and you get Edler to waive. Of course. LOL. you don't just trade one of your best players for nothing. The assumption behind trading Edler is that a good deal is too good to pass up. Make the trade then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 3 hours ago, JohnLocke said: Wait!!! How is it that nobody has noticed yet that it didn't list the rounds they were drafted in. It listed appearances in all star games... The 1st means it's their first all star game.. What a fail thread. Literally was about to post the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 5 hours ago, A NEW BEGINNING said: GT of all posters, you are well aware of the constant argument between posters as to what and why trading vets while near their apex is a good thing Even Edler does not escape this conclusion! I am just a little surprised of your response So trading a good player at his apex for a pick that may or may not become a good player seems smart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swizzey Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 So higher picks means better players!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 tanking = higher picks = better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 17 minutes ago, homersexual said: tanking = higher picks = better players Like Daigle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A NEW BEGINNING Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share Posted January 8, 2016 7 hours ago, JohnLocke said: Wait!!! How is it that nobody has noticed yet that it didn't list the rounds they were drafted in. It listed appearances in all star games... The 1st means it's their first all star game.. What a fail thread. Oops! Well, I stepped in it this time....very embarrassed ! Sorry for wasting your time....a very poor effort! Bad me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Chill your next post will be a new beginning. All better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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