SilentSam Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 55 minutes ago, higgyfan said: WD's head might explode if they bring onboard yet another project for him. Lol ... Even his dentures are being ground down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I do believe Shultz was a Canuck pick, or we were highly coveting him after he finished College? Apparently the Katz called in a favour from Gretzky and had him visit Shultz to put the schmooze on about the old days when they were a young team. The Canucks told him they wanted to develop him for a year, giving him top ice time in the AHL. Too bad he didn't take our offer.. His career would easily be in a better direction with us. My guess is Edmonton might let him go ... But I don't think he is worth over 1.2m. . and I don't think anything better than a 3rd or 4th. The fact he is an RFA who has not lived up to potential, makes this interesting.. Are there any examples of this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 He doesnt seem like the kind of defensemen that would thrive here. We are in no position with the quality of our defensecorps and defensive coaching and development to take on defensive projects. I cant imagine this would be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 How exactly was there any similarity to Lebron taking his talents to south beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 24 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I do believe Shultz was a Canuck pick, or we were highly coveting him after he finished College? Apparently the Katz called in a favour from Gretzky and had him visit Shultz to put the schmooze on about the old days when they were a young team. The Canucks told him they wanted to develop him for a year, giving him top ice time in the AHL. Too bad he didn't take our offer.. His career would easily be in a better direction with us. My guess is Edmonton might let him go ... But I don't think he is worth over 1.2m. . and I don't think anything better than a 3rd or 4th. The fact he is an RFA who has not lived up to potential, makes this interesting.. Are there any examples of this situation? He was a 2nd round pick of the Ducks back in 08, but the Canucks was a frontrunner in picking him up after college. Schultz thought he was going into a golden situation with the Oilers, since they were supposedly the next Blackhawks and Penguins with all their top-tiered offensive players/prospect. Unfortunately, he never fully developed in Edmonton. No doubt he has vast offensive acumen, but very lacking defensively. Obviously the forwards aren't great either, so he's just another problem for them. Theoretically, the Canucks might have been the better choice. Kind of a hometown guy (from Kelowna), at 11-12, the Canucks were still a top contender and was still the reigning President Trophy winners (albeit, swept by the Kings in the recent post-season), and have been lacking a PP specialist with the departure of Sami Salo during the off-season, and Christian Ehrhoff the year prior. Now.... he's probably just a bottom-pairing and one-dimensional defenseman. A poor man's Mike Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Schultz is exactly the type of player we should try to acquire. 25 years old, right handed shot, and HUGE upside. As a ROOKIE in the AHL he had 48 points in 34 games. That is mind boggling. He did alright offensively in the NHL up until this year. His value is very low, and the Oilers might want to drop him since 1. They are going to miss the playoffs 2. They might lose him in the offseason. We really need some transitional-aged players between 24-27 and Schultz fits the bill. Ben Hutton has some offensive upside, but nearly as much as Schultz (albeit he is much more well-rounded). Subban is the only guy who can bring the points and he is probably 2 or 3 years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Justin Schultz is a defensive train wreck! Please do NOT bring him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 His chance to play here has come and gone. Have never noticed him on the ice since he went to the Oilers. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowl Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Schultz wanted to enter the league at the NHL level - hence his blowing off the Ducks and signing with Edmonton. Many of his defensive issues are based on not learning the game in the minors, and that shows. JULTZ would be a reclamation project for sure. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 7 hours ago, oldnews said: Is there anyone in the hockey universe that you wouldn't take Yotes? You just cant help yourself can you. A 25 yr old, offensive rhd who has 2 30pt plus seasons under his belt who could be had for cheap? Ya I take a risk on that. Did I say lets overpay? Did I say lets give him a big $ contract with lots of term? No, I did not, I would offer him a 1 yr deal for whatever qualifying offer we could, same as when we got Raymonds cap knocked down a few hundred grand. So a 1 yr show me contract for an offensive minded 25 yr old rhd for say 3,5m. Ya I take that risk, worst case scenario he does nothing, and is a complete flop, so what then, waive him and let him sit in Utica for the rest of the year then dont qualify him letting him be a ufa. If ya dont try to bring in players of need how can you get better? Resign Yannik I freakin Weber? Let him be our so call PP option? Are you willing to over pay to acquire a rhd like Barrie or Shattenkirk to help out PP? Do you have another rhd offensive d man we can possible acquire on the cheap like Schultz? Yes its a risk, but no risk no reward. Risk can go both ways, and if it doesnt work well than you cut ties with said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 9 hours ago, oldnews said: First, I think you're insulting Bartkowski, Biega, Pedan. Second, Schultz is a 3.9 million cap hit... I won't say it's a horrible idea to take a risk on him as a project, - but I will say I think it's a highly unrealistic one - particularly when this team just passed on comparable waiver assets at a fraction of the cap hit. Does Bartkowski biega or pedan have 30 pt nhl seasons on their resume? What recent waiver wire D man has those numbers? Gormley, Runblad? no they dont. Yes he has a higher cap hit, like i said i would take him on if the price was reasonable, and if he accepted a lower qualifying offer on a 1 yr deal llike we did with Raymond, as a prove me contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Yotes said: You just cant help yourself can you. A 25 yr old, offensive rhd who has 2 30pt plus seasons under his belt who could be had for cheap? Ya I take a risk on that. Did I say lets overpay? Did I say lets give him a big $ contract with lots of term? No, I did not, I would offer him a 1 yr deal for whatever qualifying offer we could, same as when we got Raymonds cap knocked down a few hundred grand. So a 1 yr show me contract for an offensive minded 25 yr old rhd for say 3,5m. Ya I take that risk, worst case scenario he does nothing, and is a complete flop, so what then, waive him and let him sit in Utica for the rest of the year then dont qualify him letting him be a ufa. If ya dont try to bring in players of need how can you get better? Resign Yannik I freakin Weber? Let him be our so call PP option? Are you willing to over pay to acquire a rhd like Barrie or Shattenkirk to help out PP? Do you have another rhd offensive d man we can possible acquire on the cheap like Schultz? Yes its a risk, but no risk no reward. Risk can go both ways, and if it doesnt work well than you cut ties with said player. And herein lies your problem. That's not how qualifying offers work Yotes. There may be a better option right beneath your nose Yotes - and his timeline fits fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: And herein lies your problem. That's not how qualifying offers work Yotes. There may be a better option right beneath your nose Yotes - and his timeline fits fine. really care the explain how Mason raymond signed a 1 yr deal with the canucks in the summer at a small percentage lower. The canucks took him to arbitration, and he signed a 1yr deal worth less? I would think SChultz an upcoming rfa would be in a similar situation to what raymond was in, had a bad year was not worth his qualifying offer so he accepted less on a 1 yr deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I can't believe some people are still on the Shultz hype train, guy is as soft as dog poo and as just about as smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 On 2016-01-12 at 10:38 PM, Yotes said: ... Did I say lets overpay? Did I say lets give him a big $ contract with lots of term? No, I did not, I would offer him a 1 yr deal for whatever qualifying offer we could, same as when we got Raymonds cap knocked down a few hundred grand. So a 1 yr show me contract for an offensive minded 25 yr old rhd for say 3,5m. Ya I take that risk ... 1. I think many people on here disagree with you that Schultz is worth $3.5 million for next year. One of the posters on here suggested $1.2 million. Obviously that's far less than Schultz will get from someone for next season, but it is an indication that there are some who think so poorly of his defensive game that they don't consider him worth much to the Canucks. I don't intend to personally argue about what someone would be willing to pay Schultz. I'm still reeling after thinking last spring that nobody would pay Sbisa as much as $2.465 million (85% of his 2014-15 salary) and I'd seen more of Sbisa than I have of Schultz.. 2. You're right that it is possible to reduce his salary, but it is a gamble as the team takes a risk of paying more. The way for a team to try and reduce the salary of a RFA is to NOT make a qualifying offer, since the qualifying offer can't be less than the previous year salary. Instead the club can elect to take the player to arbitration. If they do so the award cannot reduce the salary from the prior year by more than 15% and the team can't walk away from the award no matter what the arbitrator decides. So if they traded for him, took him to arbitration and the arbitrator awarded him more than the Canucks were willing to play, they'd be stuck. They can't walk away. If by some chance the arbitrator decides Schultz's offensive production is good and his defense better than the team indicates and decides to give Schultz a 10% raise, the Canucks would be stuck with him at $4.29 million. Based on the drop in even his offensive production so far this season, it's hard to see an arbitrator making that kind of award unless Schultz increases his production tremendously the rest of this season, so that risk may not be very big. That's what the Canucks did with Raymond in 2012 to reduce his salary from the $2.6 million he made in 2011-12. They could have gotten an award as low as $2.21 million but then settled for a deal at $2.275 million for one year. It's described at http://canucksarmy.com/2012/7/9/canucks-re-sign-raymond-avoid-arbitration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 For the most part everyone hated the Sbisa contract and he was not very good for us last year. He hasnt been as bad this year before injury but what if when he returns he is coughing up the puck and making bone headed plays again? IF and big IF we could trade Sbisa and his 3.6m contract for Schultz we are swapping contracts. Good news is even if we resign Schultz in the summer to a 1yr deal its only a 1yr gamble and still 1 year less than Sbisa. Schultz was known to be poor defensively and that will probably never change, hate to mention it but Edler was the worst D in our last game in his own end by far... My point being no one is perfect. So the risk of taking on a guy like Schultz is that we are wanting his offensive skills to help out or PP etc. With Pedan progressing he could be a bottom pairing full time nhler next year or a #7 who slots in. I do believe most people would say the best part of Sbisa's game is that he is physical and hits, well that is also Pedans style at about a 1/4 to a 1/5 of the salary. So a swap of Schultz for Sbisa I think is a gamble and if it turns out bad, this time next year we try to move Schultz or just not tender him a contract and he is a ufa. We would still have Sbisa otherwise and his 3.6m cap hit. That money could be used elsewhere maybe for shattenkirk as a ufa, although I dont think he makes it that far was just a ufa D man in 2017 i thought of off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateNightBus Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Have to agree with the value of Schultz, not what the D corp needs, not good enough. Develop Pedan and look for a core D, even if it takes some time; Is the Canucks defensive coaching good?, I really don,t know How did the Panthers get Eckblad? can the Canucks do the same? does not look that there are any big D in the draft coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, LateNightBus said: ... How did the Panthers get Eckblad? can the Canucks do the same? ... The Panthers drafted Ekblad with the 1st overall pick in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 2 hours ago, LateNightBus said: How did the Panthers get Eckblad? can the Canucks do the same? Won the lotto. Figure that out and you'll be hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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