SilentSam Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 This article inspired the thread,. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 I think this works for both clubs.. Blues are looking for a forward who can shoot the puck.. And the Canucks need another up and coming RHD. Shatenkirk is stuck deep in Dmen in St Louis. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105410. What do you think? .. Almost seems like a no-brainer to me,. Unless I'm missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I think this works for both clubs.. Blues are looking for a forward who can shoot the puck.. And the Canucks need another up and coming RHD. Shatenkirk is stuck deep in Dmen in St Louis. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105410. What do you think? .. Almost seems like a no-brainer to me,. Unless I'm missing something? Shattenkirk is a beast and is the reason the Blues may move a lower defenseman, because they are stuck behind him. 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I think this works for both clubs.. Blues are looking for a forward who can shoot the puck.. And the Canucks need another up and coming RHD. Shatenkirk is stuck deep in Dmen in St Louis. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105410. What do you think? .. Almost seems like a no-brainer to me,. Unless I'm missing something? clearly, no way the Blues even consider such an offer. You'd have to add a top ptospect and pick as well and even then the Blues are in a window to push for a strong Playoff, you don't move one of your best defensemen at that stage for a rental scoring forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Yeah, I don't see the Blues accepting a one-for-one deal. Canucks would need to add a top prospect and/or a draft pick, for them to consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoork Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Yeah, I could see them move Shattenkirk (as rumoured) for a young player like Drouin, but not for Vrbata. Plus, they are over the cap right now, so if they get scoring help, cap will have to come back. Vrbata for one of their young right handed D : Parayko (unlikely they let him go), Schmaltz or Vanelli + a cap dump. Probably have to retain some of Vrby's cap as well. I'd rather the team do that though instead of just getting a pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Shattenkirk is a beast and is the reason the Blues may move a lower defenseman, because they are stuck behind him. clearly, no way the Blues even consider such an offer. You'd have to add a top ptospect and pick as well and even then the Blues are in a window to push for a strong Playoff, you don't move one of your best defensemen at that stage for a rental scoring forward. Heya Mike, I read this the other day, I think it's possible there is an opportunity here. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Yeah, I don't see the Blues accepting a one-for-one deal. Canucks would need to add a top prospect and/or a draft pick, for them to consider it. Too bad Virbatas' shots aren't going in... But, you never know.. This article seemed interesting. Sounds like the Blues want to make a hard push. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Yeah, I don't see the Blues accepting a one-for-one deal. Canucks would need to add a top prospect and/or a draft pick, for them to consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Heya Mike, I read this the other day, I think it's possible there is an opportunity here. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 that's cool, I really don't see them moving him unless they receive an impact scorer or young up and comer with much potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Too bad Virbatas' shots aren't going in... But, you never know.. This article seemed interesting. Sounds like the Blues want to make a hard push. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 Kevin Shattenkirk has 224 points in 374 games, which averages to 0.60 points per game, as a defenseman. He is still young and only 26, meaning he still hasn't hit his prime yet. For a player that has excellent offensive capability, all-round upside, and is a deadly power-play specialist, I just don't see them trading away these qualities for a 34-year-old Radim Vrbata, who has struggled this year, after a great first year with the Canucks. I personally see Vrbata going to an Eastern team, if traded. I think he's better suited there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hmm, too many sources saying that they are interested in Drouin and if so then they'd want to move Shattenkirk in as part of the package likely... I'd also think they'd find more takers on decent teams around the league looking for more d-corp help or willing to move a strength in forward to help on the defence... similar to what CBJ did but to a lesser degree of excitement... Vrbata, being 34 and a UFA at end of year, is more of a go all-in type of acquisition. Only thing we'd get out of trading him is draft picks and prospects... not roster players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 59 minutes ago, Agoork said: Yeah, I could see them move Shattenkirk (as rumoured) for a young player like Drouin, but not for Vrbata. Plus, they are over the cap right now, so if they get scoring help, cap will have to come back. Vrbata for one of their young right handed D : Parayko (unlikely they let him go), Schmaltz or Vanelli + a cap dump. Probably have to retain some of Vrby's cap as well. I'd rather the team do that though instead of just getting a pick for him. Drouin nowhere near gets a Shattenkirk deal done either imo. Shattenkirk's at a 60pt / 82 game pace the past two seasons. Drouin = an underachieving pedigree that has an inflated estimation of himself and has asked publicly to be moved. (Premature ego-case?) Tampa would also have to add a lot to get that done imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 No where even remotely close to fair value one for one. Blues would likely want us to add a lot more. Vrbata is probably worth perhaps a late 2nd or 3rd right now at most with how bad his season has gone and how awful his playoff stats are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanNuck Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Well okay, maybe if you include Higgins, Vrbata, and Gaunce, the Blues might talk about this trade. But I do like the idea of someone like Shattenkirk coming this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, VanNuck said: Well okay, maybe if you include Higgins, Vrbata, and Gaunce, the Blues might talk about this trade. But I do like the idea of someone like Shattenkirk coming this way. I dont think a waiver level player, a 34 yr old sniper having a poor season with terrible career playoffs stats, and a prospect who might shape up to be a decent 4th or maybe 3rd liner, are going to get STL to even begin to consider taking us seriously. Shattenkirk is a great young player, his price will be very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanNuck Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, BI3KSA- said: I dont think a waiver level player, a 34 yr old sniper having a poor season and with terrible career playoffs stats, and a prospect who might shape up to be a decent 4th or maybe 3rd, liner, are going to get STL to even begin to consider taking us seriously. Shattenkirk is a great young player, his price will be very high. Yeah, oops, I almost forgot Miller. Well they might consider that deal over just Vrbata. But more respect for Gaunce, I think he will be a good second liner. St. Louis will need more scoring depth. Could afford to part with one of their top three defensemen... I would have parted with Bouwmeester if I were them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, oldnews said: Drouin nowhere near gets a Shattenkirk deal done either imo. Shattenkirk's at a 60pt / 82 game pace the past two seasons. Drouin = an underachieving pedigree that has an inflated estimation of himself and has asked publicly to be moved. (Premature ego-case?) Tampa would also have to add a lot to get that done imo. first off, lol at any shattenkirk proposal that doesn't include any of the following assets virtanen/horvat/1st/tanev/mccann/bure specifically for you, oldnews, i wouldn't be sure about that. shattenkirk is a free agent the following season and is going to be getting 7-8 year offers at big money. i think if they felt confident they could re-sign him, they wouldn't entertain the thought of trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 We'd have to give a lot more. Vbrata + Pedan + 2nd for Shattenkirk. Probably have to throw in another 3rd line scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 5 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Shattenkirk is a beast and is the reason the Blues may move a lower defenseman, because they are stuck behind him. clearly, no way the Blues even consider such an offer. You'd have to add a top ptospect and pick as well and even then the Blues are in a window to push for a strong Playoff, you don't move one of your best defensemen at that stage for a rental scoring forward. People. The Canucja are looking for prospects and picks. Not every single team is looking for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agoork Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I'd still like to see Benning target one of the Blues young right handed D. They've already got Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Parayko and Bortuzzo on the right side, and have Vanelli and Schmaltz (also righties) in the AHL. Schmaltz is 22 and putting up good numbers in the AHL, so I'd try and see if we could wrangle him or Parayko from them. We've got upcoming UFA's, Columbus's 2nd round pick (eventually), our own picks and some prospects (Kenins, Cassels, Grenier...) that we should be willing to move if it improves our right side D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 8 hours ago, SilentSam said: This article inspired the thread,. http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-will-the-blues-move-shattenkirk-for-scoring-help-1.421109 I think this works for both clubs.. Blues are looking for a forward who can shoot the puck.. And the Canucks need another up and coming RHD. Shatenkirk is stuck deep in Dmen in St Louis. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105410. What do you think? .. Almost seems like a no-brainer to me,. Unless I'm missing something? We would have to offer vrbata+. If made this trade last year maybe they would go for it. Term is the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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