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The Canucks are only one point out of a wild card spot at the moment, but it's pretty obvious we aren't doing anything special this year, so I want us to be seller at the deadline.

Trade 1: 

To Pittsburgh: Chris Higgins

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Everyone knows that Bennings been shopping Higgins and nobody wants him, but I think the reason nobody has picked him up yet is because Benning is asking for too much. Pittsburgh has lots of fire power with Crosby, Malkin, Kessel and Letang, but they need depth players if they want to have a legit run at the cup. Higgins hasn't been the same this season, there's not questions about it, but I think he can still be a servicable bottom 6 player if he gets a fresh start.

Trade 2:

To NYI: Brandon Prust

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

This is a pretty straight forward trade. The Islanders have a very young team and are legit contenders in the east. They would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for a great veteran presence in Prust.

Trade 3: 

To Montreal: Matt Bartkowski 

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Montreal has gained the least amount of points since december. They're looking for scoring help, but they can't seem to keep the puck out of their net either. We give them a good bottom pairing guy for a 4th round pick.

Trade 4:

To Ottawa: Luca Sbisa

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

Ottawa can score a load of goals but needs help on D. Sbisa has improved his defensive player this year and could slot in nicely on their bottom pairing.

Trade 5:

To Florida: Alex Burrows

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

I love Burrows, but he's not the player he was. He's already shown signs of decline, so I feel like we need to trade him now before his value drops like Higgins' did. Florida has a great young core mixed with some experienced guys like Jagr and Lu. Burrows would fit in nicely into the Panthers lineup and he'll have a chance to play with his BFF Luongo again.

Trade 6:

To Detroit: Jannik Hansen

To Vancouver: 2nd round pick

Hansen has been terrific for us this year playing alongside the Sedins. His value has sky rocketed and I'm afraid that Bennings going to make the same mistake with Hansen as he did last year with Matthias. We need to trade him while he still holds tons of value. He can also open up a roster spot for a young guy to fill. Detroit gets a very good 2nd/3rd line player who can help them make a deep playoff run.

Trade 7:

To Tampa Bay: Jake Virtanen and our 3rd round pick

To Vancouver: Jonathan Drouin

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but when a guy like Drouin becomes available, we must make an attempt at acquiring him. I like Jake. I really do. But I just don't see him becoming an impact NHL player. I'm not saying that based on his WJC performance, I've just never been sold on him. He could develop into a very good 3rd liner or maybe even a solid top 6 player, but I just don't see him becoming the impact player we all want him to be. Now many of you don't even want Drouin on the Canucks, but we have to keep in mind that he's still only 20. This guy could become a star in this league one day, and he could slot into our top 6 right away. I feel like his attitude issues won't be a problem here with the Sedins, Sutter, Dorsett and even a guy like Horvat keeping him in check. I really want to keep Jake and see how he turns out, but if were going to get Drouin, we have to trade one of Horvat, Mccann and Virtanen. As of this moment, I'm pretty sure everyone would keep Bo and Jared instead of Jake if we were forced to choose. I know lots of you guys are going to hate me for this, but Drouin has the potential to be an elite point producer one day. I just don't see that in Jake's future. 

We now have three 4ths, three 3rds and two 2nds. We can package our 4th round picks for a high 3rd rounder, which gives us four 3rds. We can then package the four 3rds for two 2nds. This leaves us with four 2nds but no 3rd or 4th round picks.

Trade 8:

To Washington: Alex Edler

To Vancouver: Madison Bowey and a 1st round pick

I honestly don't understand why people say that Edlers only a good #3 guy. Sure he makes lots of stupid mistakes, but he's been our best all around defensemen for many years now. He can slot in nicely alongside Carlson. Lots of people overvalue Bowey. He's got loads of potential but hasn't shown it in the NHL, so it's pretty stupid when people say that the only way we get Bowey is if we Edler for him straight up. Edler's a proven top pairing guy while Bowey is just a good prospect. Washington's first is probably going to be around the 25-30 range, so it's not like they're going to giving up a high pick in a deep draft. The reason I want to trade Edler now is because he's not going to be a top pairing guy for much longer. Just look at Hamhuis and Bieksa, they both dropped off considerably past 30. If we don't trade Edler now, then we're never going to get full value for him.

Trade 9:

To New Jersey: Radim Vrbata (50% retained) and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

New Jersey needs scoring help so we send them a good top 6 player in Vrbata plus a 2nd for their 1st. I feel like they're still going to miss the playoffs, and would probably be picking around #13 overall.

Trade 10:

To Nashville: Dan Hamhuis (50% retained) and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

Nashville's looking for a defensemen after trading away Jones, and they would gladly welcome Hamhuis back. They would probably be picking around #18 overall.

Trade 11: 

To Anaheim: Nashville's 1st rounder and Vancouver's 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: Shea Theodore

Nashville has four young puck moving defensemen in Fowler, Vatanen, Lindholm and Depres. They don't need a guy like Theodore. Anaheim is going through what we went through with Torts. They have a great team but the core group is aging and the players don't seem to listen to Bruce Boudreau. They need the extra picks to start a retool/rebuild.

We now have three 1sts and one 2nd. Without Edler, Hansen, Burrows, Sbisa, Hamhuis and Vrbata, I feel like we could end up with the fourth overall pick. Now we can package our 1st and Washington's 1st and get the second overall pick. We can then package New Jerseys 1st (around 13 overall) with our remaining second and get the 9th overall pick. With the 2nd pick we draft Patrik Laine and we pick up Sergachev with the 9th overall pick.

Going to free agency, we have roughly 30 million in cap space. I would like to sign the following players;

Okposo: 4 years with an average of 5.5 mill

Ladd: 3 years with an average of 5.75 mill

Yandle: 2 years with an average of 6 mill

Russell: 3 years with an average of 5.25 mill

We would still have around 7.5 mill left to resign our own players.

Our lineup next year will look like this;

Sedin-Sedin-Okposo

Drouin-Sutter-Ladd

Baertschi-Horvat-Etem

Gaunce-Mccann-Dorsett

Russell-Tanev

Yandle-Hutton

Theodore-Bowey

Miller

Markstrom

This team is in no way a contender, but it's definitely a playoff team. Signing these players would allow our young guys to develop on a competitive with good leaders. We can use Shinkaruk as the 13th forward and Pedan as our extra D. I feel like Laine could benefit if he plays a year in Sarnia (they drafted him last year). When Laine cracks ours lineup, he can learn a lot from guys like Okposo and Ladd. This kid can turn out to be a monster one day if we develop him right. He's got the potential to be a 35-40 goal scorer that averages a PPG.

In the future our lineup can look like this;

Drouin-Mccann-Laine

Baerschi-Horvat-Boeser

Shinkaruk-Cassels-Etem

Gaunce-?-Grenier

Theodore-Bowey

Sergachev-Hutton

Tanev-Pedan

Demko

Markstrom

That team would be scary to play against in the future. We can win a cup when everyone hits their prime at around 2022.

Thoughts?

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All the deals are possible if isolated (not all at once), except the Drouin deal. Virtanen's value isn't so great right now so I highly doubt Tampa even considers. 

These are your proposed FA acquisitions:

Okposo: 4 years with an average of 5.5 mill
Ladd: 3 years with an average of 5.75 mill
Yandle: 2 years with an average of 6 mill
Russell: 3 years with an average of 5.25 mill

This is what they will get realistically, considering the cap will go up: Long-term / short-term

Okposo: 6 years 6 million / 3 years 6.75 million
Ladd: 6 years 6.5 million / 3 years 7.5 million
Yandle: 5 years 5.5 million / 2 years 6.5 million
Russell: 4 years 4.5 million / 2 years 5 million

Keep in mind, we wouldn't be the only team bidding for these guys.

But if JB somehow pulled off every single move that you proposed, I will elect him for Prime Minister.

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1 hour ago, Gretzky to Lemieux said:

The Canucks are only one point out of a wild card spot at the moment, but it's pretty obvious we aren't doing anything special this year, so I want us to be seller at the deadline.

Trade 1: 

To Pittsburgh: Chris Higgins

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Everyone knows that Bennings been shopping Higgins and nobody wants him, but I think the reason nobody has picked him up yet is because Benning is asking for too much. Pittsburgh has lots of fire power with Crosby, Malkin, Kessel and Letang, but they need depth players if they want to have a legit run at the cup. Higgins hasn't been the same this season, there's not questions about it, but I think he can still be a servicable bottom 6 player if he gets a fresh start.

Trade 2:

To NYI: Brandon Prust

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

This is a pretty straight forward trade. The Islanders have a very young team and are legit contenders in the east. They would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for a great veteran presence in Prust.

Trade 3: 

To Montreal: Matt Bartkowski 

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Montreal has gained the least amount of points since december. They're looking for scoring help, but they can't seem to keep the puck out of their net either. We give them a good bottom pairing guy for a 4th round pick.

Trade 4:

To Ottawa: Luca Sbisa

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

Ottawa can score a load of goals but needs help on D. Sbisa has improved his defensive player this year and could slot in nicely on their bottom pairing.

Trade 5:

To Florida: Alex Burrows

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

I love Burrows, but he's not the player he was. He's already shown signs of decline, so I feel like we need to trade him now before his value drops like Higgins' did. Florida has a great young core mixed with some experienced guys like Jagr and Lu. Burrows would fit in nicely into the Panthers lineup and he'll have a chance to play with his BFF Luongo again.

Trade 6:

To Detroit: Jannik Hansen

To Vancouver: 2nd round pick

Hansen has been terrific for us this year playing alongside the Sedins. His value has sky rocketed and I'm afraid that Bennings going to make the same mistake with Hansen as he did last year with Matthias. We need to trade him while he still holds tons of value. He can also open up a roster spot for a young guy to fill. Detroit gets a very good 2nd/3rd line player who can help them make a deep playoff run.

Trade 7:

To Tampa Bay: Jake Virtanen and our 3rd round pick

To Vancouver: Jonathan Drouin

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but when a guy like Drouin becomes available, we must make an attempt at acquiring him. I like Jake. I really do. But I just don't see him becoming an impact NHL player. I'm not saying that based on his WJC performance, I've just never been sold on him. He could develop into a very good 3rd liner or maybe even a solid top 6 player, but I just don't see him becoming the impact player we all want him to be. Now many of you don't even want Drouin on the Canucks, but we have to keep in mind that he's still only 20. This guy could become a star in this league one day, and he could slot into our top 6 right away. I feel like his attitude issues won't be a problem here with the Sedins, Sutter, Dorsett and even a guy like Horvat keeping him in check. I really want to keep Jake and see how he turns out, but if were going to get Drouin, we have to trade one of Horvat, Mccann and Virtanen. As of this moment, I'm pretty sure everyone would keep Bo and Jared instead of Jake if we were forced to choose. I know lots of you guys are going to hate me for this, but Drouin has the potential to be an elite point producer one day. I just don't see that in Jake's future. 

We now have three 4ths, three 3rds and two 2nds. We can package our 4th round picks for a high 3rd rounder, which gives us four 3rds. We can then package the four 3rds for two 2nds. This leaves us with four 2nds but no 3rd or 4th round picks.

Trade 8:

To Washington: Alex Edler

To Vancouver: Madison Bowey and a 1st round pick

I honestly don't understand why people say that Edlers only a good #3 guy. Sure he makes lots of stupid mistakes, but he's been our best all around defensemen for many years now. He can slot in nicely alongside Carlson. Lots of people overvalue Bowey. He's got loads of potential but hasn't shown it in the NHL, so it's pretty stupid when people say that the only way we get Bowey is if we Edler for him straight up. Edler's a proven top pairing guy while Bowey is just a good prospect. Washington's first is probably going to be around the 25-30 range, so it's not like they're going to giving up a high pick in a deep draft. The reason I want to trade Edler now is because he's not going to be a top pairing guy for much longer. Just look at Hamhuis and Bieksa, they both dropped off considerably past 30. If we don't trade Edler now, then we're never going to get full value for him.

Trade 9:

To New Jersey: Radim Vrbata and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

New Jersey needs scoring help so we send them a good top 6 player in Vrbata plus a 2nd for their 1st. I feel like they're still going to miss the playoffs, and would probably be picking around #13 overall.

Trade 10:

To Nashville: Dan Hamhuis and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

Nashville's looking for a defensemen after trading away Jones, and they would gladly welcome Hamhuis back. They would probably be picking around #18 overall.

Trade 11: 

To Anaheim: Nashville's 1st rounder and Vancouver's 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: Shea Theodore

Nashville has four young puck moving defensemen in Fowler, Vatanen, Lindholm and Depres. They don't need a guy like Theodore. Anaheim is going through what we went through with Torts. They have a great team but the core group is aging and the players don't seem to listen to Bruce Boudreau. They need the extra picks to start a retool/rebuild.

We now have three 1sts and one 2nd. Without Edler, Hansen, Burrows, Sbisa, Hamhuis and Vrbata, I feel like we could end up with the fourth overall pick. Now we can package our 1st and Washington's 1st and get the second overall pick. We can then package New Jerseys 1st (around 13 overall) with our remaining second and get the 9th overall pick. With the 2nd pick we draft Patrik Laine and we pick up Juolevi with the 9th overall pick.

Going to free agency, we have roughly 30 million in cap space. I would like to sign the following players;

Okposo: 4 years with an average of 5.5 mill

Ladd: 3 years with an average of 5.75 mill

Yandle: 2 years with an average of 6 mill

Russell: 3 years with an average of 5.25 mill

We would still have around 7.5 mill left to resign our own players and a 4th line center. Signing these players would allow our young guys to develop on a competitive with good leaders.

Our lineup next year will look like this;

Sedin-Sedin-Okposo

Drouin-Sutter-Ladd

Baertschi-Horvat-Etem

Gaunce-?-Dorsett

Russell-Tanev

Yandle-Hutton

Theodore-Bowey

Miller

Markstrom

This team is in no way a contender, but it's definitely a playoff team. We can use Shinkaruk as the 13th forward and Pedan as our extra D. I feel like Laine could benefit if he plays a year in Sarnia (they drafted him last year). When Laine cracks ours lineup, he can learn a lot from guys like Okposo and Ladd. This kid can turn out to be a monster one day if we develop him right. He's got the potential to be a 35-40 goal scorer that averages a PPG.

In the future our lineup can look like this;

Drouin-Mccann-Laine

Baerschi-Horvat-Boeser

Shinkaruk-Cassels-Etem

Gaunce-?-Grenier

Theodore-Bowey

Juolevi-Hutton

Tanev-Pedan

Demko

Markstrom

That team would be scary to play against in the future. We can win a cup when everyone hits their prime at around 2022.

Thoughts?

Looks like you had fun writing that. Happy for you. 

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1 hour ago, Gretzky to Lemieux said:

The Canucks are only one point out of a wild card spot at the moment, but it's pretty obvious we aren't doing anything special this year, so I want us to be seller at the deadline.

Trade 1: 

To Pittsburgh: Chris Higgins

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Everyone knows that Bennings been shopping Higgins and nobody wants him, but I think the reason nobody has picked him up yet is because Benning is asking for too much. Pittsburgh has lots of fire power with Crosby, Malkin, Kessel and Letang, but they need depth players if they want to have a legit run at the cup. Higgins hasn't been the same this season, there's not questions about it, but I think he can still be a servicable bottom 6 player if he gets a fresh start.

Trade 2:

To NYI: Brandon Prust

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

This is a pretty straight forward trade. The Islanders have a very young team and are legit contenders in the east. They would gladly give up a 3rd round pick for a great veteran presence in Prust.

Trade 3: 

To Montreal: Matt Bartkowski 

To Vancouver: 4th round pick

Montreal has gained the least amount of points since december. They're looking for scoring help, but they can't seem to keep the puck out of their net either. We give them a good bottom pairing guy for a 4th round pick.

Trade 4:

To Ottawa: Luca Sbisa

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

Ottawa can score a load of goals but needs help on D. Sbisa has improved his defensive player this year and could slot in nicely on their bottom pairing.

Trade 5:

To Florida: Alex Burrows

To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

I love Burrows, but he's not the player he was. He's already shown signs of decline, so I feel like we need to trade him now before his value drops like Higgins' did. Florida has a great young core mixed with some experienced guys like Jagr and Lu. Burrows would fit in nicely into the Panthers lineup and he'll have a chance to play with his BFF Luongo again.

Trade 6:

To Detroit: Jannik Hansen

To Vancouver: 2nd round pick

Hansen has been terrific for us this year playing alongside the Sedins. His value has sky rocketed and I'm afraid that Bennings going to make the same mistake with Hansen as he did last year with Matthias. We need to trade him while he still holds tons of value. He can also open up a roster spot for a young guy to fill. Detroit gets a very good 2nd/3rd line player who can help them make a deep playoff run.

Trade 7:

To Tampa Bay: Jake Virtanen and our 3rd round pick

To Vancouver: Jonathan Drouin

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but when a guy like Drouin becomes available, we must make an attempt at acquiring him. I like Jake. I really do. But I just don't see him becoming an impact NHL player. I'm not saying that based on his WJC performance, I've just never been sold on him. He could develop into a very good 3rd liner or maybe even a solid top 6 player, but I just don't see him becoming the impact player we all want him to be. Now many of you don't even want Drouin on the Canucks, but we have to keep in mind that he's still only 20. This guy could become a star in this league one day, and he could slot into our top 6 right away. I feel like his attitude issues won't be a problem here with the Sedins, Sutter, Dorsett and even a guy like Horvat keeping him in check. I really want to keep Jake and see how he turns out, but if were going to get Drouin, we have to trade one of Horvat, Mccann and Virtanen. As of this moment, I'm pretty sure everyone would keep Bo and Jared instead of Jake if we were forced to choose. I know lots of you guys are going to hate me for this, but Drouin has the potential to be an elite point producer one day. I just don't see that in Jake's future. 

We now have three 4ths, three 3rds and two 2nds. We can package our 4th round picks for a high 3rd rounder, which gives us four 3rds. We can then package the four 3rds for two 2nds. This leaves us with four 2nds but no 3rd or 4th round picks.

Trade 8:

To Washington: Alex Edler

To Vancouver: Madison Bowey and a 1st round pick

I honestly don't understand why people say that Edlers only a good #3 guy. Sure he makes lots of stupid mistakes, but he's been our best all around defensemen for many years now. He can slot in nicely alongside Carlson. Lots of people overvalue Bowey. He's got loads of potential but hasn't shown it in the NHL, so it's pretty stupid when people say that the only way we get Bowey is if we Edler for him straight up. Edler's a proven top pairing guy while Bowey is just a good prospect. Washington's first is probably going to be around the 25-30 range, so it's not like they're going to giving up a high pick in a deep draft. The reason I want to trade Edler now is because he's not going to be a top pairing guy for much longer. Just look at Hamhuis and Bieksa, they both dropped off considerably past 30. If we don't trade Edler now, then we're never going to get full value for him.

Trade 9:

To New Jersey: Radim Vrbata and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

New Jersey needs scoring help so we send them a good top 6 player in Vrbata plus a 2nd for their 1st. I feel like they're still going to miss the playoffs, and would probably be picking around #13 overall.

Trade 10:

To Nashville: Dan Hamhuis and a 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: 1st round pick

Nashville's looking for a defensemen after trading away Jones, and they would gladly welcome Hamhuis back. They would probably be picking around #18 overall.

Trade 11: 

To Anaheim: Nashville's 1st rounder and Vancouver's 2nd round pick

To Vancouver: Shea Theodore

Nashville has four young puck moving defensemen in Fowler, Vatanen, Lindholm and Depres. They don't need a guy like Theodore. Anaheim is going through what we went through with Torts. They have a great team but the core group is aging and the players don't seem to listen to Bruce Boudreau. They need the extra picks to start a retool/rebuild.

We now have three 1sts and one 2nd. Without Edler, Hansen, Burrows, Sbisa, Hamhuis and Vrbata, I feel like we could end up with the fourth overall pick. Now we can package our 1st and Washington's 1st and get the second overall pick. We can then package New Jerseys 1st (around 13 overall) with our remaining second and get the 9th overall pick. With the 2nd pick we draft Patrik Laine and we pick up Juolevi with the 9th overall pick.

Going to free agency, we have roughly 30 million in cap space. I would like to sign the following players;

Okposo: 4 years with an average of 5.5 mill

Ladd: 3 years with an average of 5.75 mill

Yandle: 2 years with an average of 6 mill

Russell: 3 years with an average of 5.25 mill

We would still have around 7.5 mill left to resign our own players and a 4th line center. Signing these players would allow our young guys to develop on a competitive with good leaders.

Our lineup next year will look like this;

Sedin-Sedin-Okposo

Drouin-Sutter-Ladd

Baertschi-Horvat-Etem

Gaunce-?-Dorsett

Russell-Tanev

Yandle-Hutton

Theodore-Bowey

Miller

Markstrom

This team is in no way a contender, but it's definitely a playoff team. We can use Shinkaruk as the 13th forward and Pedan as our extra D. I feel like Laine could benefit if he plays a year in Sarnia (they drafted him last year). When Laine cracks ours lineup, he can learn a lot from guys like Okposo and Ladd. This kid can turn out to be a monster one day if we develop him right. He's got the potential to be a 35-40 goal scorer that averages a PPG.

In the future our lineup can look like this;

Drouin-Mccann-Laine

Baerschi-Horvat-Boeser

Shinkaruk-Cassels-Etem

Gaunce-?-Grenier

Theodore-Bowey

Juolevi-Hutton

Tanev-Pedan

Demko

Markstrom

That team would be scary to play against in the future. We can win a cup when everyone hits their prime at around 2022.

Thoughts?

Were you bored in math class?  Wow, I respect your effort.

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suggest maybe you break that down a bit

for your own benefit

so you can keep track of what you are proposing

i stopped reading after the first 3 trades that greatly over valued our existing players

who were being swapped for returns that make me shake my head

i agree with the poster who suggested more realistic values for the free agent signings as well

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3 hours ago, Gretzky to Lemieux said:

::D

Thoughts?

You have too much time on your hands.

Seriously, this offseason is set up to be a big transition year with all the expiring contracts and 3 or 4 players in Utica on the verge of making the big club.  Also a chance of Tryamkin and Rodin coming over from Europe.

Here's mine:

  1. Vrbata, Prust and Weber moved at the deadline.  1st, 5th, 3rd
  2. Vey, Bartkowski not signed
  3. Free agent D picked up

Sedin Sedin Sutter

Baertschi Horvat Hansen

Etem McCann Virtanen

Gaunce Cracknell Dorsett

Kenins

Edler Tanev

Hamhuis Free Agent

Hutton Sbisa

Pedan Biega

Miller Markstrom

 

 

 

 

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