BoneOzone Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Ataboy Johnny !!! Saying it like it is , 1st - line needs a Chara factor on right wing , Naslund and Morrison had Big Bertuzzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-d Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 minute ago, BoneOzone said: Ataboy Johnny !!! Saying it like it is , 1st - line needs a Chara factor on right wing , Naslund and Morrison had Big Bertuzzi. Well we do have Big Virt, waiting for the coach to wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 2 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: Here's a couple of the hits Cheech was talking about in his article. 2 minutes for boarding there, no suspension No penalty, game on. Unbelievable the Ben eager hit was only 2 minutes. The Tim Thomas one though I thought didn't warrant a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnymack Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: Didn't see anyone post this yet. If it's been posted, delete it. There's been a few pro Sedin threads lately but this one is a bit different. It's written by the team's color commentator John Garret and is very critical of how the league has treated the Sedins. Figured I'd post it as it's drawing some attention from other sites like cbssports.com. Pretty bold of the Canucks' website to host this article which is basically calling out the NHL for 2nd class treatment of the Sedins. ************************************************ John Garrett: No respect Wednesday, 01.20.2016 / 10:12 AM PT / Features By John Garrett I have been involved in hockey as a professional since I was 20-years-old. I have played with and had the good fortune to broadcast games involving great players. I played with Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull, Dave Keon, Guy Lafleur, Larry Robinson, Darryl Sittler, Ron Francis, Dale Hunter, Michel Goulet, Peter Statsny, Stan Smyl, Richard Brodeur and Thomas Gradin. I have been a broadcaster for more than twenty years and have seen stars like Mario Lemieux, Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Steve Yzerman, Sidney Crosby, Jonathan Toews, Patrice Bergeron, and Anze Kopitar and how they are treated. They were and are stars and were treated like stars. I don’t want to sound like a whiner. I don’t want to sound like Oliver Stone and that there is a conspiracy to treat the Canucks like second-class citizens, but hear me out. Henrik Sedin was a first team all star in 2010 and 2011. He was the Art Ross trophy winner in 2010 with 112 points. That same year he was the Hart Trophy winner as the league’s MVP. Daniel Sedin was the second team all star in 2010 and first team all star in 2011. He won the Art Ross Trophy in 2011 with 104 points and the Ted Lindsay award as the MVP as voted by the players. Daniel and Henrik are currently one and two in scoring with the Canucks. They are stars, no doubt about that and yet are they treated like stars? Let me go back a few years. The Sedins are two of the best guys I have met in the game. They respect the process. They rarely complain and never use the media to sell their agenda. When they first arrived in Vancouver they were two skinny kids trying to find their way. In their first four years they averaged fewer than 40 points. In the next ten years they have averaged more than a point per game. In their first four years they took abuse from not only their opponents, but from the media in Vancouver. Not once did they complain or voice their opinion. They would let their game do the talking. The problem became because they played on the west coast and because they never complained, it was easy for the league to turn a blind eye to the physical abuse that the other teams were using to try and shut them down. Marc Methot took a run at Henrik Sedin on Oct. 10 of 2011. A dirty hit on a star player and nothing was done. In 2011 in the Western Conference Final, Ben Eager took a crazy run at Henrik Sedin and got two minutes for boarding. There was no suspension. In the Stanley Cup Final in 2011 on June 6, Tim Thomas leveled Henrik in front of the net and got no penalty. Brad Marchand submarined Daniel and got nothing. In March of 2012 Duncan Keith got suspended for five games for an elbow to the head of Daniel Sedin. It was one of the most flagrant fouls you have ever seen. Daniel missed 19 regular season games and the first three games of the playoffs. That same playoff year Dustin Brown flattened Henrik Sedin with an obvious elbow on Apr.15 in the series against the Kings. No penalty was called. In March of 2014 Henrik’s iron man streak of 679 games played was ended when Martin Hanzal crossed checked him and a couple of games later he could not play. Hanzal got no penalty. In the last game of 2013-2014 season Paul Byron ran Daniel Sedin into the boards and he was carried off on a stretcher. He got five and a game and nothing else. This year Brayden McNabb threw a flying elbow at Henrik in the first two minutes of the game against the Kings at the Rogers arena on Dec. 28. There was no penalty on the play. I phoned the league office and they said they looked at it and would give McNabb a warning, but what does this do for the Canucks or the perception that the league is doing nothing? Mikhail Grabovski hits Henrik right in the numbers and runs him into the boards. He gets five and a game and nothing more. The league says that because it happened so early in the game it is like a one game suspension. The refs called a roughing penalty on Matt Bartkowski without taking an Islander off so the punishment was a game misconduct and a three minute penalty. Grabovski is a third line guy with the Islanders and missed two periods for taking out Henrik Sedin for that game and at least three more. Are you kidding me? The league says they are trying to sell their stars, well then treat them like stars not like second-class citizens. Like Rodney Dangerfield, the Sedins get no respect. http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=798689&navid=DL|VAN|home ******************************************** Here is CBS sports' take on it ........... The Canucks website kind of called out the NHL in a very weird way By Adam Gretz | Hockey writer January 20, 2016 3:42 pm ET The Vancouver Canucks website and official Twitter account did a very strange thing Wednesday and kind of called out the NHL for its treatment of Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin. It all started with the tweet you see below linking to an article published on the team's website written by former player and team TV analyst John Garrett. Vancouver Canucks Verified account @VanCanucks Is there a conspiracy to treat Sedins like second-class citizens? Garrett column. FEATURE → http://ow.ly/Xki1E Retweets 138 Likes 246 10:33 AM - 20 Jan 2016 Asking in a tweet if there is a conspiracy to treat two of the NHL's best players as second-class citizens is a pretty big shot at the league for an official team account. But then you get to Garrett's article and he does not hold back in his criticism of the NHL. A brief sampling: In their first four years they took abuse from not only their opponents, but from the media in Vancouver. Not once did they complain or voice their opinion. They would let their game do the talking. The problem became because they played on the west coast and because they never complained, it was easy for the league to turn a blind eye to the physical abuse that the other teams were using to try and shut them down. He then goes on to list a series questionable hits the Sedins have been on the receiving end of throughout their careers and how those same hits almost never resulted in appropriate punishment from the league. His list includes hits from Paul Byron, Martin Hanzal, Brad Marchand, Duncan Keith and, most recently, New York Islanders forward Mikhail Grabovski for a hit on Henrik during a recent game in Brooklyn. Grabovski was ejected from the game but was not suspended. Sedin is still sidelined due to an injury as a result of the hit. Garrett ended his commentary with these sentences. Are you kidding me? The league says they are trying to sell their stars, well then treat them like stars not like second-class citizens. Like Rodney Dangerfield, the Sedins get no respect. That middle sentence is another strong shot at the NHL. That, again, also appears on the official website of an NHL team. On one hand, Garrett is an analyst, and the Canucks are simply giving him a different outlet to do what he does during games, which is share his thoughts. And it is not the first time his writings have appeared on their site. He is also not wrong that the Sedins have taken a lot of unnecessary garbage and criticism during their careers (and they still do). Their toughness is constantly questioned and they take a ton of physical and verbal abuse on (and off) the ice. Dennis Potvin actually called Daniel Sedin a low life during a bizarre, unhinged rant following a recent game. This kind of stuff goes back to the early stages of their careers, too. When Brian Burke was running the Canucks in the early 2000s he blasted the NHL's officials during a playoff series against Detroit when he said "Sedin is not Swedish for punch me, or headlock me in a scrum." But you expect that kind of stuff from a team executive in the heat of a playoff series (especially when that team executive is Brian Burke). And I am all for criticizing the NHL for the way it handles dirty hits and the way punishments are handed out by the department of player safety. And with the way the game is officiated and played, it is almost as if the league has done everything it can to minimize the impact of its star players on the ice, while its best players seem to take more criticism than the top stars in other sports. But this is true for all of them, not just the Sedins. Just look at some of the stuff guys like Alex Ovechkin and Erik Karlsson have had to put up with in their careers. Ovechkin is the best goal scorer of his generation and is only now starting to be truly appreciated for what he's doing. This came after years of being in the crosshairs for over-the-top criticism that knocked him down for every failing his team had, whether it was his fault or not. Karlsson is probably going to win his third Norris Trophy in five years and his accomplishments are treated like a joke ("He's not really a defenseman!"). The NHL does need to do more to promote its stars and let their skill shine. Garrett is right. It's just strange, and kind of unheard of, to see an article like this coming from a team website and being pushed the way it was when the message from these official channels is usually "everything is great, everything is awesome, look at how great our sport is." This was definitely not one of those messages. But I do have my own conspiracy theory on this: This is the Canucks' way of voicing their displeasure over the treatment of their star players, and this is a way for them to do it where nobody gets punished. If general manager Jim Benning or team president Trevor Linden come out and say something critical like that, they're getting fined. If coach Willie Desjardins speaks out, he's getting fined and his team doesn't get a call for a few games. But if the color analyst on TV says it on the team website? It's not a great look for them, and everybody kind of laughs about it, but nobody is getting punished. http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25456110 *********************************** The following are some comments left on the Canucks' official twitter account in response: Dave DeWolfe @dewolfe13 8h8 hours ago @VanCanucks wait, this is from the official team account? Jesus Christ. What a joke. paul @swagger8133 6h6 hours ago @VanCanucks this is awful and embarrassing. I like watching games with a little homerism. But this is bad from garrett and the canucks org. Cheer the Anthem @CheerTheAnthem 9h9 hours ago @VanCanucks Is you surrounding them with dog$&!# for the last several years part of the conspiracy? Helena @nuckgirl16 8h8 hours ago @VanCanucks I agree .. I don't get it .. It ticks me off!! These guys do everything and gets no respect whatsoever!! Will @WB_222 9h9 hours ago @VanCanucks is this a parody account? 58 minutes ago, Salmonberries said: Great write up John. 100% on the money. the problem with the league is they call a lot of things during the regular season, but the playoffs they let a lot go to cater to teams with goons and dirty players in the league who target the starts like Crosby The Sedins , Stamkos etc. It causes them to be less effective skill wise and its just disappointing to watch as a fan who wants to see skilled players play. Not just the Sedins who get no respect, but they are probably the two who receive the least. I understand letting a few more things go in the playoffs but blatant things that we often see dirty players do to skilled players because its the only way you can stop them its just annoying. I wish the league would just call things the same all the time that is what is wrong with things. The suspensions are too weak as well to the point where it doesn't make players think about things too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 John and John simply make Canucks broadcasts so much more enjoyable. They have a reasonable and appropriate amount of homer, but not enough to blur reality or disable them from appreciating the other teams or calling it like it is, they're quick-witted and often at each other's expense, they're both extremely good natured, they almost always create an energy of enjoying / appreciating the game (whenever it isn't hopelessly mangled by game managers like Kelly Sutherland), they always sharing good munchies tips, they're entirely unpretentious, and they're the types of guys you'd love to sit around a table with a t.v., a game, and a beer. Just a pair of real good, professional, positive guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, oldnews said: John and John simply make Canucks broadcasts so much more enjoyable. They have a reasonable and appropriate amount of homer, but not enough to blur reality or disable them from appreciating the other teams or calling it like it is, they're quick-witted and often at each other's expense, they're both extremely good natured, they almost always create an energy of enjoying / appreciating the game (whenever it isn't hopelessly mangled by game managers like Kelly Sutherland), they always sharing good munchies tips, they're entirely unpretentious, and they're the types of guys you'd love to sit around a table with a t.v., a game, and a beer. Just a pair of real good, professional, positive guys. The two best hockey broadcasters alive. And Garrett's article is spot on. If it weren't for the Canucks I'd never watch the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, fist2face said: The way to solve problems is by acquiring problem solver players. And playing them. Seriously every time it reminds me of a little kid crying to mommy.(league) Time to fight some battles. Sounds wonderful. Only problem is, I remember a California road trip when the Canucks tried to fight some battles. They spent most of the road trip killing ridiculously long penalties. You don't remember that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KariyaSakicAnderson Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, luckylager said: Can't disagree with Cheech on that. Another huge problem the twins have always faced is playinging on a team that doesn't attempt to rip the heads off of anyone who even breathes on them (the twins); it's disgraceful and embarrassing. The twins have seldom been on the ice with teammates that are willing to kill for them, and that's a crying shame. They're our generals, and not a single soldier has ever stuck their neck out for them. Disgraceful and embarrassing once again. I think a lot of the "lack of response" from Canucks players may have something to do with the way the organization got ripped after Bertuzzi's "response". Aquilini bought the Canucks shortly after that incident, I'm sure the league mentioned to Francesco that part of him being allowed to purchase the team was to make sure something like that doesn't happen again. I bet that the ownership group has told that to management and thus has been told to the players, that's why the Canucks players may be hesitant to rip the other teams players heads off. As for the Sedin's not getting the respect they deserve, there may be something to that but I feel like a lot of the Western teams star players get less calls that go for them than star players from the Eastern teams and I consider Chicago an Eastern team regardless that the play in the Western Conference. I don't believe that there is a conspiracy against the Canucks and their players. If I remember correctly in 2010 Marc Savard a star player of the Jacob's Bruins suffered a concussion after he took a hit to the head from Cooke where there was no penalty and after a review wasn't suspended and then a year later Savard got concussed again that ended his career after he got hit by Hunwick whom I believe also wasn't suspended for that hit. And here I thought Bettman did everything for his buddy and biggest supporter Jeremy Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 he's right and most of you know it .. there is a bias here . call it what you will . at least he has the balls to tell it like he sees it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Gooch Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 You've got to love Cheech! Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Yeah, Cheech is a big homer but he's not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Cheech has the freedom that older guys have, he's close enough to retirement that he doesn't mind the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 ... That response post was pretty off-topic with the Ovechkin and Karlsson comments; sure they get criticized (Alex for his team's failings, Erik for his offensively-oriented play) but Cheech's post was about the physical abuse that the Twins take and lack of respect from the Player Safety officials in terms of offering them protection through punishing the offender. If I'm Cheech and I read that post I'd write about how the CBS guy didn't even take the time to read his post properly and figure out the gist of his argument before responding. Anyways what I'm interested to see is a compilation of unpunished, similar hits on other stars in the League. Of course it's easy to say that the Twins take unfair abuse (which could be a product of confirmation bias and how guys like Ekblad were protected when Hendricks boarded him recently and received a suspension) but I think the argument could be stronger support for this argument of supposed unfair treatment if other stars are protected by the DOPS all the time, which is what the Twins haven't received. I'm not saying Cheech is wrong to say what he has and I very much agree with him personally, but I'm curious to see whether other focal point players in the League (e.g. Sid, esp. in his earliest days, or similar guys) have taken abuse without the League dishing retribution to the offender, who did such deeds in the name of "shutdown play". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fist2face Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 50 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: Sounds wonderful. Only problem is, I remember a California road trip when the Canucks tried to fight some battles. They spent most of the road trip killing ridiculously long penalties. You don't remember that? Honour comes at a price sometimes. That's not saying every game will result the same. And the current staff we have fighting these battles is pretty bleak. With all due respect to Derek Dorsett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Will probably go nowhere..but glad Cheech stated the obvious. He must be nearing retirement, because the NHL doesn't take kindly to such integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 My one hope is that the Sedins win the cup they deserve before they retire. It would be one of the greatest stories in the history of hockey. I honestly would cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 This could spill over into the stands & aisles. Terrified that Deniss Potvahhn might level a PB-zinger at John Garrett, as he's already engaged. Somebody WARN the man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: This could spill over into the stands & aisles. Terrified that Deniss Potvahhn might level a PB-zinger at John Garrett, as he's already engaged. Somebody WARN the man... the other day on sn hockey central @noon cheech was on the phone nick gonstoupousgusnus asked cheech if he,d stand up to meathead pot vin,cheech said no gonuopoopofulus said he,d give u a mouth full of splinters . cheech all class handled it good .and a moron defending another moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, chon derry said: the other day on sn hockey central @noon cheech was on the phone nick gonstoupousgusnus asked cheech if he,d stand up to meathead pot vin,cheech said no gonuopoopofulus said he,d give u a mouth full of splinters . cheech all class handled it good .and a moron defending another moron. Have always been a fan of Cheech. Seems a great-spirited bloke, with a zest for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanuck Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Great take on the Sedins and the Canucks organisation, I am convince the NHL's game management policy first highlighted by Kerry Fraser, a well respected veteran official, is a supporting piece in this infuriating puzzle. The bottom line is the NHLs clear mandate to increase commercial market value in "growth US" markets seriously undermines the Canucks organisation. How many years have gone by while we watch the NHL take advantage of the cash cow (top 5 NHL revenue earnings according to Forbes) in Vancouver? Letting serious offences go by unpunished, fining Hansen after McNabb tried to decaputate Henrik is a good example of "keep your mouth shut Vancouver" - how many dives do we witness game in and game out. All I would ask is the NHL would treat all teams fairly, this article clearly lays out the NHLs ignorance and lends itself to help pave the way for increasing revenue in loss making or under developed markets elsewhere. It wrong, plain and simple. Fair play John Garrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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