Animal killer Kayla Bourque wants 'unescorted time' in community

[HerrDrFunk]

Let's forget the animals for a second before it becomes a big vegan/vegetarian debate. How about we focus on the fact that she wants to hunt homeless people?

[GLASSJAW]

Just now, Dral said:

are you really comparing decapitating a neighbors cat with eating a steak dinner?

the article says she killed her own cat and dog. how is someone killing their own cat any different from someone killing their cow or pig? it isn't

the operative word in your sentence here is 'neighbour' - one that isn't used in the article i read. what makes that word so operative in your sentence is that it creates a level of malice and fear, like it could happen to you, or me. what i'm objecting to is the concept of killing an animal for enjoyment - which is exactly what you do every time you have your steak dinner. you just let someone else bloody their hands. killing someone else's animals is challenging for different reasons.

 

[RonMexico]

13 minutes ago, One one two said:

fear mongering.

I didn't mean that every single person who displays these behaviours is going to be a serial killer. I meant that many known serial killers possessed common traits like these during their childhood. 

[babych]

6 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

the article says she killed her own cat and dog. how is someone killing their own cat any different from someone killing their cow or pig? it isn't

the operative word in your sentence here is 'neighbour' - one that isn't used in the article i read. what makes that word so operative in your sentence is that it creates a level of malice and fear, like it could happen to you, or me. what i'm objecting to is the concept of killing an animal for enjoyment - which is exactly what you do every time you have your steak dinner. you just let someone else bloody their hands. killing someone else's animals is challenging for different reasons.

 

It's really not. There's a fundamental difference between enjoying torturing and killing pets versus enjoying a steak dinner.

[GLASSJAW]

Just now, babych said:

It's really not. There's a fundamental difference between enjoying torturing and killing pets versus enjoying a steak dinner.

one's the enjoyment of inflicting pain, the other is enjoying the fruits of pain inflicted

or is there another point here you were leaning towards?

[Aladeen]

35 minutes ago, One one two said:

People who hurt animals can be otherwise well functioning members of society. If the question is whether they can be motivated to stop the behaviour: yes.

 

30 minutes ago, One one two said:

fear mongering.

Is this article about you One One Two?

 

[Master 112]

5 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Let's forget the animals for a second before it a big vegan/vegetarian debate. How about we focus on the fact that she wants to hunt homeless people?

as a homeless person I share this opinion

1 minute ago, GLASSJAW said:

one's the enjoyment of inflicting pain, the other is enjoying the fruits of pain inflicted

or is there another point here you were leaning towards?

ehh, one is acceptable within our culture and the other is not. Bourque's behaviour is far enough outside of what is considered acceptable in our culture that people are right to think her dangerous inside of it.

the meat industry is disgusting, sure, but it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion. you know this.

[babych]

7 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

one's the enjoyment of inflicting pain, the other is enjoying the fruits of pain inflicted

or is there another point here you were leaning towards?

Exactly - these are two completely different things yet you seem to think that it's okay to equate them.

Killing an animal for food is not the same thing as torturing an animal. It's also not hypocritical to be outraged at someone torturing an animal while also being a meat-eater themselves.

[Master 112]

6 minutes ago, Aladeen said:

 

Is this article about you One One Two?

 

^me eyeing my next victim.

 

^my next victim.

[GLASSJAW]

Just now, babych said:

Exactly - these are two completely different things yet you seem to think that it's okay to equate them.

Killing an animal for food is not the same thing as torturing an animal. It's also not hypocritical to be outraged at someone torturing an animal while also being a meat-eater themselves.

no, they are not completely different. the point is that it's animal death for human enjoyment. that you, somehow, are able to view animal slaughter as not being torturous is a leap you're willing and able to make, not me. i see no problem in equating them, and you are not presenting one

yes, it is hypocritical to be outraged about animal torture while fully supporting an industry that REQUIRES the torture of animals to survive

[HerrDrFunk]

1 minute ago, GLASSJAW said:

no, they are not completely different. the point is that it's animal death for human enjoyment. that you, somehow, are able to view animal slaughter as not being torturous is a leap you're willing and able to make, not me. i see no problem in equating them, and you are not presenting one

yes, it is hypocritical to be outraged about animal torture while fully supporting an industry that REQUIRES the torture of animals to survive

No, it really isn't. There's a big difference between the meat industry and killing an animal that in theory you have an emotional attachment to. I'm a big fan of consuming meat and never once did I look at any of my cats and think "Mmmmm....I bet you would be fun to kill just to see what it's like."

Just curious, does the pest control industry rankle you the same as the meat industry?

[babych]

2 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

no, they are not completely different. the point is that it's animal death for human enjoyment. that you, somehow, are able to view animal slaughter as not being torturous is a leap you're willing and able to make, not me. i see no problem in equating them, and you are not presenting one

yes, it is hypocritical to be outraged about animal torture while fully supporting an industry that REQUIRES the torture of animals to survive

If you really can't see a difference between killing an animal for sustenance and torturing and killing an animal and not harvesting it then you're simply being obtuse.

Slaughtering a cow, pig, etc is not torturing them. You have every right to feel that it is inhumane, immoral and/or unethical to eat meat but killing doesn't equate to torture.

 

[riffraff]

16 minutes ago, babych said:

If you really can't see a difference between killing an animal for sustenance and torturing and killing an animal and not harvesting it then you're simply being obtuse.

Slaughtering a cow, pig, etc is not torturing them. You have every right to feel that it is inhumane, immoral and/or unethical to eat meat but killing doesn't equate to torture.

 

There is no doubt that the conditions that livestock live in in some instances are torturous.

 

but I agree it's a stretch to equate these instances and this person to either one of us or even someone working at a slaughterhouse.

 

maybe I'm naive but I'd allow a butcher into my home before this lady.

 

i think the point that she also fantasizes about killing humans, (homeless in this case), also sets her mindset in another level.  And this point shouldn't be separated from the issue here in order to support a meat industry debate.

 

personally, as a meat eater, I do consider and wrestle with the ethics involved.  I'd love to hunt, well maybe not love....id prefer to hunt my own meat but unfortunately my time is nearly entirely consumed with working to support my family...when not sleeping.

 

but I support GJ's attempts in at least causing people think.....but as I said I don't see how A=b here and therefore disagree with GJ.

 

the topic of discussion here is whether or not this "imbalanced" women should freely walk in our hoods.

[Alflives]

58 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

the article says she killed her own cat and dog. how is someone killing their own cat any different from someone killing their cow or pig? it isn't

the operative word in your sentence here is 'neighbour' - one that isn't used in the article i read. what makes that word so operative in your sentence is that it creates a level of malice and fear, like it could happen to you, or me. what i'm objecting to is the concept of killing an animal for enjoyment - which is exactly what you do every time you have your steak dinner. you just let someone else bloody their hands. killing someone else's animals is challenging for different reasons.

 

You are too funny.  Maybe she should have paid for a couple of 'tags' then the killings would have been government sanctioned?  We as a meat eating and hunting/fishing society are definitely hypocrites.  One person's hunting, is another person's torture.  We get upset because it's pets that are being killed.  We should be upset with all killing of animals.

I need a Whopper, with bacon.

[Chalky]

16 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

no, they are not completely different. the point is that it's animal death for human enjoyment. that you, somehow, are able to view animal slaughter as not being torturous is a leap you're willing and able to make, not me. i see no problem in equating them, and you are not presenting one

yes, it is hypocritical to be outraged about animal torture while fully supporting an industry that REQUIRES the torture of animals to survive

Yes. They are completely different. I do acknowledge your point that there is hypocrisy among some meat eaters who remain purposefully ignorant to the savage meat producers, but I don't wholly agree with your opinion.

Me not being Vegan is not comparable to a person who tortures and kills animals for enjoyment.  I can totally accept your Vegan belief that Man is not meant to eat meat, but I don't agree, and I've been having this errrrr, conversation with my Vegan wife for many years.  Comparing Kayla Borque to Joe Meat-eater is an asinine comparison.  Admittedly, the meat industry is awful.  I never eat processed meat anymore...lest the occasional fast food burger.  You shouldn't generalize non-Vegans as harsh as you do.  All you're really succeeding at is getting some people's backs up, and then the conversation turns for the worst.  If you are not trolling, and really want to have an effect, you should tone down the rhetoric.  

[GLASSJAW]

Just now, babych said:

If you really can't see a difference between killing an animal for sustenance and torturing and killing an animal and not harvesting it then you're simply being obtuse.

Slaughtering a cow, pig, etc is not torturing them. You have every right to feel that it is inhumane, immoral and/or unethical to eat meat but killing doesn't equate to torture.

it's you who is being obtuse, as you continue to hint at a point without providing one. and now saying the murder of an animal, while being the ultimate form of abuse, is not technically torture. coooome on. killing a cow may not be torture, but killing a cow is killing a cow. that people justify this action by saying the animal did not suffer for the individual to enjoy that meal--because the ability for that animal has to suffer was ended before the suffering began--is ridiculous to me

unfortunately, that comment is true. but, again, only technically. you can pretend that your pork wasn't in distress as it died, but you'll never really know. but what you do know is that the meat industry, the industry you support with that pork meal, REQUIRES billions (upon billions) of animals being forced into extremely stressful, extremely violent situations that will lead to death for the unnecessary and totally needless meal (what you refer to as 'sustenance') that millions will eat because they choose to. a choice based on enjoyment or tradition is not a choice that i personally care about, and it's one that leads to hypocrisy in this conversation

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Yes. They are completely different. I do acknowledge your point that there is hypocrisy among some meat eaters who remain purposefully ignorant to the savage meat producers, but I don't wholly agree with your opinion.

Me not being Vegan is not comparable to a person who tortures and kills animals for enjoyment.  I can totally accept your Vegan belief that Man is not meant to eat meat, but I don't agree, and I've been having this errrrr, conversation with my Vegan wife for many years.  Comparing Kayla Borque to Joe Meat-eater is an asinine comparison.  Admittedly, the meat industry is awful.  I never eat processed meat anymore...lest the occasional fast food burger.  You shouldn't generalize non-Vegans as harsh as you do.  All you're really succeeding at is getting some people's backs up, and then the conversation turns for the worst.  If you are not trolling, and really want to have an effect, you should tone down the rhetoric.  

Go out and do two things before you fall off that high horse:  Go hunting or fishing and see if the animals enjoy the experience.  Then go to a local kill plant.  At the kill plant sit with the animals awaiting slaughter, and tell me then it's not torture for those in waiting.  The sounds and smells of death are horrific.  It's palpable the fear these animals go through.  Slitting your cat or dog's throat is actually a hell of a lot humane than having animals sit and wait their turn to die, while they are trapped in cages.  Animals that we eat are mostly prey animals, who instinctively run from death.  They are completely terrified!  

I eat meat, but accept that I am responsible for the torture of those animals I consume, because I have lived with those animals while they await death, and felt their fear and suffering.  YOU SHOULD TOO.  Listen to your wife, because she is CORRECT.

[GLASSJAW]

4 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Me not being Vegan is not comparable to a person who tortures and kills animals

its funny to me how if you remove "for enjoyment" from this sentence, your comment goes from being "problematic" to impossible to defend.

however, "Me not being Vegan is not comparable to a person who tortures and kills animals for enjoyment" is slightly different because of the malice involved. while you do not get ENJOYMENT out of the act of killing a pig directly, you get enjoyment out of that pig being killed. you are able to create the gap - it's literally cognitive dissonance: rejecting the act, yet wanting the benefits of that act committed. it's easy to vilify those who do heinous acts, but when we get pleasure from that act being committed behind closed doors, you do verge on hypocrisy.

so, essentially the only way we can differentiate this Kayla Borque moron from a meat eater is that she's on the wrong side of "enjoyment" - she gets pleasure out of the slaughter, while a meat eater gets pleasure out of enjoying the result of that slaughter. I OBVIOUSLY see the difference, I'm just not satisfied by it.

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You shouldn't generalize non-Vegans as harsh as you do.  All you're really succeeding at is getting some people's backs up, and then the conversation turns for the worst. 

i don't think i'm generalizing all that much, and certainly not unfairly. if people are offended by the fact that they are reflecting on how they deal with and support a disgusting industry, that should rest on THEIR conscience. i have no responsibility to ease people into their nasty reality. 

i'm not a vegan, and i even made a disastrous thread about how we (often) create mental gaps and irrational decisions to justify eating how we do, wherein i state many times that i actually do eat meat sometimes. i think Borque's actions are horrible and offensive. but i'm also disturbingly well-aware of what i'm doing and supporting each time i have meat, too.

all i said in my post, or all i intended, is for people to reflect on their own relationship with animal slaughter when getting upset by some psycho f-ck like this

[OptionalPants]

6 minutes ago, GLASSJAW said:

its funny to me how if you remove "for enjoyment" from this sentence, your comment goes from being "problematic" to impossible to defend.

however, "Me not being Vegan is not comparable to a person who tortures and kills animals for enjoyment" is slightly different because of the malice involved. while you do not get ENJOYMENT out of the act of killing a pig directly, you get enjoyment out of that pig being killed. you are able to create the gap - it's literally cognitive dissonance: rejecting the act, yet wanting the benefits of that act committed. it's easy to vilify those who do heinous acts, but when we get pleasure from that act being committed behind closed doors, you do verge on hypocrisy.

so, essentially the only way we can differentiate this Kayla Borque moron from a meat eater is that she's on the wrong side of "enjoyment" - she gets pleasure out of the slaughter, while a meat eater gets pleasure out of enjoying the result of that slaughter. I OBVIOUSLY see the difference, I'm just not satisfied by it.

i don't think i'm generalizing all that much, and certainly not unfairly. if people are offended by the fact that they are reflecting on how they deal with and support a disgusting industry, that should rest on THEIR conscience. i have no responsibility to ease people into their nasty reality. 

i'm not a vegan, and i even made a disastrous thread about how we (often) create mental gaps and irrational decisions to justify eating how we do, wherein i state many times that i actually do eat meat sometimes. i think Borque's actions are horrible and offensive. but i'm also disturbingly well-aware of what i'm doing and supporting each time i have meat, too.

all i said in my post, or all i intended, is for people to reflect on their own relationship with animal slaughter when getting upset by some psycho f-ck like this

I know my relationship with animal slaughter, I know that millions of animals are slaughtered because people, such as myself, like meat. It certainly sucks, but honestly I don't care too much and no matter how much you insist; it has barely anything to do with the topic at hand. Here's the issue with this topic...the woman in the article slaughtered animals for fun, not for a multi billion dollar industry that provides food all over the world. This is a trait that is common in serial killers, and this is obviously concerning to the normal person. Now you state that for people to be upset by this is hypocritical, because they support a huge animal slaughtering industry. However, you missed the quite a bit of the point by arguing this. I agree that it is a little hypocritical to be upset by this (though as stated above, I don't really care too much about that...people are hypocritical, get over it). What is really making people upset is that the woman did this for no real reason, and also felt like harming homeless people...not exactly traits that you see in the everyday meat eater, but rather traits that you see in people who may become serial killers later in life.

[GLASSJAW]

1 minute ago, OptionalPants said:

I know my relationship with animal slaughter, I know that millions of animals are slaughtered because people, such as myself, like meat. It certainly sucks, but honestly I don't care too much and no matter how much you insist; it has barely anything to do with the topic at hand. Here's the issue with this topic...the woman in the article slaughtered animals for fun, not for a multi billion dollar industry that provides food all over the world. This is a trait that is common in serial killers, and this is obviously concerning to the normal person. Now you state that for people to be upset by this is hypocritical, because they support a huge animal slaughtering industry. However, you missed the quite a bit of the point by arguing this. I agree that it is a little hypocritical to be upset by this (though as stated above, I don't really care too much about that...people are hypocritical, get over it). What is really making people upset is that the woman did this for no real reason, and also felt like harming homeless people...not exactly traits that you see in the everyday meat eater, but rather traits that you see in people who may become serial killers later in life.

i didn't miss any bit of the point. according to her and the article, she did it for enjoyment. enjoyment is the same reason most people in the developed world have baby animals slaughtered for an expensive meal.

i'm not apologizing for the woman in question. obviously she seems crazy. that you're okay with being a hypocrite is fine with me. as you say, we all are in some way or another.