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Was the loss to Nashville the deathblow for the 15/16 season?


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I don't think it was, especially with our lineup being 100% healthy after the all star break. It will depend on how we fare in the first 7 games, something like that.

But I still think we should sell. As said per the OP, our chances at qualifying for the playoffs are very slim, even slimmer on getting past the 1st round as we would be facing a huge opponent.

The Canucks have too many holes to beat such great and deep teams as the Kings, Ducks or whatever monster team from the Central. Vrbata won't turn beast mode on like Kesler did against Nashville in 2011 and win the series by himself. Sure, he helps, but not enough so we win the series. Apart from the Sedins, we don't have players who can dominate and take over a match by the horns. Hamhuis is different, he's a big piece to a defense that is already weak. If there's a good deal for him, do it. Hutton's playing PP, PK, he's great and already filling his role. But otherwise, try to sign him for a couple more years. 

Trade the veterans. Play the kids. It will be more fun to watch and cheer for the Canucks with Jake on 2RW and McCann on 3C. And if they loose, it's fine. The young guys are learning. If they win and get a Wild Card spot, holy crap. I'll watch every game cheering as much as I can. But honestly, it's not that exciting with that much veterans in the lineup while the rookies watch from the press box.

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9 hours ago, Rocksterh8 said:

At 50 games in now, it tells us what this team is right now and the only reason they are even remotely talking about play off's is because of the very poor division. It is clearly time to move the FA guys and get the extra picks that we know JB can do so much with to help this team in the future. Let the young guys gain experience the rest of this year, if they somehow manage to make the play off's great, but it's more about the experience at this point.

Jim - make it so

U still have to have more then just the Sedins for vets imo. What should we do , trade all our experience for draft picks ? Then what , end up like the oilers ?

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9 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

U still have to have more then just the Sedins for vets imo. What should we do , trade all our experience for draft picks ? Then what , end up like the oilers ?

There's plenty of good quality vets left to mentor, Hank, Danny, Hansen, Burrows, Edler, Sutter... plenty.

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9 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

U still have to have more then just the Sedins for vets imo. What should we do , trade all our experience for draft picks ? Then what , end up like the oilers ?

There's plenty of good quality vets left to mentor, Hank, Danny, Hansen, Burrows, Edler, Sutter... plenty.

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3 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said:

There's plenty of good quality vets left to mentor, Hank, Danny, Hansen, Burrows, Edler, Sutter... plenty.

Yeah. True I guess. Lots are saying get rid of burrows too though. And edler is not exactly known for his menorship and leadership qualities. Not a very strong veteran personallity  

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5 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

Yeah. True I guess. Lots are saying get rid of burrows too though. And edler is not exactly known for his menorship and leadership qualities. Not a very strong veteran personallity  

Burrows would be tough to trade, he has a NTC and cap hit of 4.5 this year AND next year, don't think anyone would want him with that cap hit. Agreed Edler is prob not one of the stronger personalities in the room, but there is also Bart and Sbisa who are mid 20's so they are kinda vets and can certainly help the younger one's.

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Our poor October and Novembers killed our chances this year. We're not contenders, it's pretty clear. We suck. We're a D core, Top 6 Winger, and starting goalie away from any kind of playoffs talk. But I'm still proud of the boys. They've been giving it their all and putting effort into games, and that's all I can ask for. The youth are shining as well. We've got a bright future here.

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7 hours ago, Provost said:

Our season has been pretty much done for a month, it is only our games in hand that is making it look respectable as far as the standings go.  
Since December we have been ranging from 23-25th in the league in terms of winning % and applying the playoff tie breakers.

It will just take a little closer to the deadline for it to really solidify and make it mathematically arduous to make up points.  You have to keep in mind that the teams we are chasing also play each other many times so someone is guaranteed points in each of those outings and many of them will result in 3 point games.

We would have to go on a real tear to squeak into the playoffs but there has been no sign that we can consistently win 7 or 8 out of 10 games for any duration.

We can trade our unproductive vets like Vrbata now as it won't affect our competitiveness (might actually make us better), and near the deadline we can trade a couple more when the prices are right.  With the loser point there are more teams as buyers than sellers and prices go up because of supply and demand.

Im kind of with you on this....trading vrbata does actually make us better.  I would be shocked if that asset isn't dealt to better this team long term.

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4 minutes ago, HC20.0 said:

Our poor October and Novembers killed our chances this year. We're not contenders, it's pretty clear. We suck. We're a D core, Top 6 Winger, and starting goalie away from any kind of playoffs talk. But I'm still proud of the boys. They've been giving it their all and putting effort into games, and that's all I can ask for. The youth are shining as well. We've got a bright future here.

Goaltending has been the least of our problems. We have two goalies that can win games if they get goal support.

Our D is our biggest weakness. The lack of quality D has taken its toll on the offense and on our goals against.

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1 hour ago, Ronning4center said:

Im kind of with you on this....trading vrbata does actually make us better.  I would be shocked if that asset isn't dealt to better this team long term.

Addition by subtraction....Higgins, Prust, Weber, and Vrbata depending what he brings back.

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I don't think any GM in the league can look at one game just past the half way point and say definitively that it's time to throw the towel in. It always has to be about the bigger picture, and I'm sure that as much as management was preparing for the playoffs (still very possible with our weak/middling division) they have had a contingency plan in place for selling parts around the deadline.

I'm sure a group of names are on the list, and that when the phones ring maybe what JB wants in return will match one or more of those names.

So no, the one loss wasn't the deathblow, but it doesn't mean he's spending the All Star break looking to go all in for a playoff push either. At least, I hope it doesn't. I'm happy with the drafting the last 2 years or so, and we have some decent prospects showing there faces on the team. Stay the course.

The next few weeks will be very interesting for Canucks fans. 

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This team is much better than they appear in the standings. I have watched several games where officiating has popped the wheels on The Canucks, We cry because we collapsed in Pittssburg. BS officiating etc. This team has the potential to make the play-offs. And maybe not compete this year, but they are well along in a rebuild. plus they will get a decent draft pick. Teams need a lot to go right to win a cup. You could put the Black hawks roster in Vancouver or the Kings for that matter . And they would not win a cup. As long as the officials answer to  Bettman or the money makers or the owner of the NHL for that matter NO CANADIAN TEAM WILL WIN A CUP,  unless absolute heroics and a collapse that catches the officials off guard like Bollands goal against the bruins when Chicago beat Boston a few years back.

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1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

February to me will be a month of waiting for the shoe to drop on some trades. 

It's a foregone conclusion in my mind that Benning will sell some.  How deep he will cut is anybody's guess.  I'm just hoping he goes deeper than Higgins and Prust.

Agree 110 %   .   Always love that hockey expression.... Hockey players usually are not excelling in Math..

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14 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

 

- trade their 1st round draft pick along with Vrbata to a non-playoff team and end up picking top 5.

Who knows..

 

 

There's not enough crack in the world! What  non playoff GM would trade a potential top five pick for an aging Vrbata ? Especially when he is a UFA?

 

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