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9 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I thought some one might have brought this up for some balance in this thread.

Joe Biden has been repeatedly lieing about the voter suppression laws in Georgia.

He claims that new Georgia law "ends voter hours early so working people can't cast their votes after their shift is over.

The Washington Post's fact checker Glenn Kessler has given this claim "four Pinnochios" which is the worst rating on his scale and is reserved for "whoppers".

 

We all called out bone spurs for his BS,I believe Biden should be held to the same or even higher standard.

 

As I have stated before all politicians and governments lie.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/joe-biden-repeatedly-tells-same-lie-about-new-election-laws/news-story/7286fa7ebfd2e7ef9251e018bfa93e8a

 

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I am not sure what I did however I seem to have copied the link.

 

Scrolling through this thread for a few years I can see Trump's false claims are discussed till the cows come home.

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12 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I thought some one might have brought this up for some balance in this thread.

Joe Biden has been repeatedly lieing about the voter suppression laws in Georgia.

He claims that new Georgia law "ends voter hours early so working people can't cast their votes after their shift is over.

The Washington Post's fact checker Glenn Kessler has given this claim "four Pinnochios" which is the worst rating on his scale and is reserved for "whoppers".

 

We all called out bone spurs for his BS,I believe Biden should be held to the same or even higher standard.

 

As I have stated before all politicians and governments lie.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/joe-biden-repeatedly-tells-same-lie-about-new-election-laws/news-story/7286fa7ebfd2e7ef9251e018bfa93e8a

 

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I am not sure what I did however I seem to have copied the link.

 

it sounds a little more nuanced - there seems to be the ability for individual counties to set early closing times but it sounds thats not necessarily going to be the norm: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/30/biden-falsely-claims-new-georgia-law-ends-voting-hours-early/

 

But really, the GOP gerrymandering has been pretty bad over the years, not sure its defensible. 

 

Thats why Biden's claims have power, they are very believable given the GOPs history. He's making it sound like all voting is effected when its apparently early voting restrictions. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

and they'd still vote for him. 

Some will sure, but not everyone with this. I really think that the more stuff like this happens, the less people would actually vote for Trump in the end. It's not fun getting scammed and people don't take kindly to it when they start to actually realise it. The hard part is actually realising it.

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2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Some will sure, but not everyone with this. I really think that the more stuff like this happens, the less people would actually vote for Trump in the end. It's not fun getting scammed and people don't take kindly to it when they start to actually realise it. The hard part is actually realising it.

you're thinking like a Canadian. In the US people are far more locked into voting patterns. I'd bet 99% of the people scammed would still mark an X on a ballot for him tomorrow. 

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5 hours ago, Roger Rabby said:

Scrolling through this thread for a few years I can see Trump's false claims are discussed till the cows come home.

I'll bite.  

 

If you can provide a tally of Biden lies/false claims since he has been in office (less than a 100 days BTW) that even approaches 21 a day, I'd love to see it.  Why 21 a day you may ask?  Because that is the tally of false/misleading statements that TRUMP made during his presidency.  The average was actually 20.94 if you want to be precise.  That is over 30,000 over the course of his term.  I somehow feel that Biden, who will and has made false/misleading statements, won't get to that number.

 

See that, we can actually admit that Biden can lie.  Than Biden can make mistakes.  That policy decisions made by Biden are poor/bad/wrong.  Scrolling through this thread for years, you can probably see that TRUMP supporters rarely, if ever, did the same.   That is the difference.

 

Oh, and BTW we can actually provide sources to back up our claims.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

 

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests

 

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3 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I'll bite.  

 

If you can provide a tally of Biden lies/false claims since he has been in office (less than a 100 days BTW) that even approaches 21 a day, I'd love to see it.  Why 21 a day you may ask?  Because that is the tally of false/misleading statements that TRUMP made during his presidency.  The average was actually 20.94 if you want to be precise.  That is over 30,000 over the course of his term.  I somehow feel that Biden, who will and has made false/misleading statements, won't get to that number.

 

See that, we can actually admit that Biden can lie.  Than Biden can make mistakes.  That policy decisions made by Biden are poor/bad/wrong.  Scrolling through this thread for years, you can probably see that TRUMP supporters rarely, if ever, did the same.   That is the difference.

 

Oh, and BTW we can actually provide sources to back up our claims.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

 

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests

 

I wouldalso venture a guess that most of us who have run Trump over the coals don't actually like Joe Biden or his policies, he was merely the best of two less than stellar choices and probably the only way Trump was going to be defeated.

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2 hours ago, Cerridwen said:

Welcome back :ph34r:

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I'll bite.  

 

If you can provide a tally of Biden lies/false claims since he has been in office (less than a 100 days BTW) that even approaches 21 a day, I'd love to see it.  Why 21 a day you may ask?  Because that is the tally of false/misleading statements that TRUMP made during his presidency.  The average was actually 20.94 if you want to be precise.  That is over 30,000 over the course of his term.  I somehow feel that Biden, who will and has made false/misleading statements, won't get to that number.

 

See that, we can actually admit that Biden can lie.  Than Biden can make mistakes.  That policy decisions made by Biden are poor/bad/wrong.  Scrolling through this thread for years, you can probably see that TRUMP supporters rarely, if ever, did the same.   That is the difference.

 

Oh, and BTW we can actually provide sources to back up our claims.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

 

Final tally of lies: Analysts say Trump told 30,000 mistruths – that’s 21 a day – during presidency

 

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests

 

Lying is lying. 

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11 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said:

Thanks?

Lying is lying. 

And your initial comment was about how TRUMP's false claims are discussed till the cows come home.  I pointed out how the guy made, on average, 21 "lies" a day as to why.  I also pointed out how Biden's lies can and will get discussed.  And that he has been in office for less than 100 days.

 

Comparing TRUMP to Biden in regards to "lies" is like comparing a fleet of trucks full of oranges to a basket of apples.  They are no where near the same.

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Just now, thedestroyerofworlds said:

And your initial comment was about how TRUMP's false claims are discussed till the cows come home.  I pointed out how the guy made, on average, 21 "lies" a day as to why.  I also pointed out how Biden's lies can and will get discussed.  And that he has been in office for less than 100 days.

 

Comparing TRUMP to Biden in regards to "lies" is like comparing a fleet of trucks full of oranges to a basket of apples.  They are no where near the same.

Trump did lie a lot but it seems Biden is following in his footsteps. I guess the proper comparison would be of the lies by each in the first 100 days?

I feel like you are saying there is a bar for when to criticize lying which is fine I guess. Let's be real Biden probably forgot he said it haha.

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yep. And the reason there is far more discussion on Trump's lying is because he lies far more often than Joe Biden.....or any other politician in recent memory....

Probably more than any human tbh but I don't think Trump can become the bar otherwise it gives other politicians a free pass.

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4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you're thinking like a Canadian. In the US people are far more locked into voting patterns. I'd bet 99% of the people scammed would still mark an X on a ballot for him tomorrow. 

If there's one thing I've learned from being online a lot, it's that just because we're talking about Americans, it doesn't mean we have morals and they don't. Getting scammed is still getting scammed at the end of the day.

 

I have high doubts 99% would still mark him down to be honest. I don't know what the percentage would be, but I think it would be naive to think it would be as high as 99%. Americans still aren't idiots and thinking they are is the exact mentality that will keep them in that position. If you want them to change you have to treat them like they can.

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17 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I thought some one might have brought this up for some balance in this thread.

Joe Biden has been repeatedly lieing about the voter suppression laws in Georgia.

He claims that new Georgia law "ends voter hours early so working people can't cast their votes after their shift is over.

The Washington Post's fact checker Glenn Kessler has given this claim "four Pinnochios" which is the worst rating on his scale and is reserved for "whoppers".

 

We all called out bone spurs for his BS,I believe Biden should be held to the same or even higher standard.

 

As I have stated before all politicians and governments lie.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/joe-biden-repeatedly-tells-same-lie-about-new-election-laws/news-story/7286fa7ebfd2e7ef9251e018bfa93e8a

 

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I am not sure what I did however I seem to have copied the link.

 

 

Sure.... Biden’s rhetoric may have been off base. But I challenge you to look at the BIG picture.... To look at what is ACTUAL at stake... That being the restriction of voter rights of minorities to participate in a freely elected society. Do not kid yourself, this is a war involving two political parties in a struggle to maintain power. One of these parties represents the large majority of the increasingly diverse population... the other doesn’t and is focused on levelling the playing field by passing legislation that will inhibit  voter turn out to a great deal of legitimate American citizens. If Biden chose to embellish... good for him!!! Because the consequences of these laws will be extremely destructive to the democratic process as a whole. 

 

You picked out one single falsehood and decided that that was enough to equate Biden and Trump....  That Biden should be held to the same or a higher standard. I’ll ask you, what exact “standard” did Trump actually adhere to, other than his own personal financial baseline? 

 

lets try to not equate the fight against the grotesque Georgia voter suppression laws with the fight against it. Because that IS the issue. When you have one side legislating racist laws based on the massive lie of “voter fraud” ... then it is all hands, skills, methods, techniques on deck. Because, in reality, only one side is actually for the people. And the other side is blatantly and openly undermining the process for their own benefit.
 

This one falsehood, by Biden, falls extremely short of any legitimate comparison to Trumps track record. 

 

False equivalence.
 

 

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