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12 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Why US abortion laws could be changed by Supreme Court ruling

The US Supreme Court is about to hear the most important abortion case in a generation.

 

On Wednesday it will consider a Mississippi law, which asks the court to ban abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy - barring the procedure about two months earlier than the court has ever allowed before.

 

Its final ruling, due in June next year, could cut off abortion services for tens of millions of women.

What is the right to abortion in the US?

A woman's right to abortion was established in 1973, following a Supreme Court ruling in a case known as Roe v Wade.

 

The decision gave women in the US an absolute right to an abortion in the first three months of pregnancy, and limited rights in the second three months.

Nearly two decades later the court made another key decision.

 

In Planned Parenthood v Casey, the court ruled that states could not place an "undue burden" on women seeking abortions before foetal viability.

 

In the US, this threshold for when foetuses can sustain life outside the womb has been set at about 23 or 24 weeks.

Why could a Mississippi law overturn Roe v Wade?

A state law was passed in Mississippi in 2018 which would make most abortions illegal after the first 15 weeks of pregnancy - including those caused by rape or incest.

 

 

It hasn't been enforced due to a legal challenge by Mississippi's only abortion provider, the Jackson Women's Health Organization.

 

The US Supreme Court is now due to consider the case.

 

Mississippi is asking for Roe v Wade to be overturned, and with it the constitutional right to an abortion in the US.

 

If successful, states would be welcome to set their own standards for abortion - including outright bans before foetal viability.

 

Nearly two dozen states are expected to introduce their own bans, some probably more severe than Mississippi's.

A map showing abortion policy in the US if Roe v Wade was overturned
 

A map showing abortion policy in the US if Roe v Wade was overturned

In a legal brief filed this summer Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch - who will be defending the state's law - said that throwing out Roe would effectively return decision-making about abortion to the American people and their elected officials.

 

"The matter should be returned to the States and the people," she wrote. Ms Fitch did not return a BBC request for comment.

How is the Supreme Court expected to rule?

There are three possible outcomes next summer:

  • overturn Roe v Wade

  • rule that the Mississippi law does not place "an undue burden" on women seeking an abortion - this would leave Roe standing in principle, while undermining it in practice

  • strike down the Mississippi law, allowing Roe to stand - though this is considered unlikely

The first option is a distinct possibility. The court, reshaped by three appointments under former President Donald Trump, has been called the most conservative-leaning in modern US history.

 

"It has been a 50 year campaign to overrule Roe v Wade and there certainly are enough members of the court now to do so," said Katherine Franke, director of the center for gender and sexuality law at Columbia University.

 

But she believes an outright repeal is unlikely. Instead, the court could uphold the Mississippi law while keeping both Roe and Casey in place.

 

Still, lawyers for Jackson Women's Health Organization have said that such a decision is tantamount to gutting the court's past abortion rulings, because it would discard the foetal viability standard.

Where could abortion become illegal if Roe v Wade is overturned?

That could happen in 22 states, including Mississippi.

 

Twelve have passed so-called trigger laws, which would automatically ban abortion if Roe was overruled.

 

Others have either passed unconstitutional abortion bans in the years since Roe v Wade (which would be revived), or retained abortion restrictions from before Roe, which are currently unenforceable.

 

In all, nearly half of US women of reproductive age (18-49) - some 36 million - could lose abortion access, according to research from Planned Parenthood, a healthcare organisation which provides abortions.

A map showing how abortion laws have become more restrictive in the past 2 decades
 

A map showing how abortion laws have become more restrictive in the past 2 decades

In more than half of US states, abortion access would probably remain the same.

 

In 15 states and the District of Columbia, state law guarantees the right to an abortion even if Roe v Wade is overturned.

Who would be most affected?

Hollowing out abortion access would most intensely affect poor women - who are already more likely to seek an abortion in the first place.

Black and Latina women are likely to be inordinately affected - 61% of abortion patients are minorities.

 

 

A bar graph showing the racial disparities in terms of reported abortions in the US
 

A bar graph showing the racial disparities in terms of reported abortions in the US

"The typical abortion patient is in their 20s, doesn't have a lot of money and has one or more children," said Rachel Jones, a principal investigator at the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice group.

 

"These are the groups that are going to be the most impacted when restrictions are placed on abortion, or abortion is banned."

Why it isn't always easy to get an abortion now

Although Roe v Wade gave US women a guaranteed right to an abortion, for millions it is a right in name only.

 

In the decades since 1973, anti-abortion rulings have gradually pared back access in more than a dozen states.

 

In 2021 alone, nearly 600 abortion restrictions have been introduced nationwide, with 90 enacted into law. That is more than in any year since Roe.

 

 

And abortions have long been out of reach for many low-income women.

 

Since 1976, a law known as the Hyde Amendment has blocked the use of federal funding for the procedure.

 

Women are often forced to pay for abortion themselves, which can cost cost hundreds of dollars.

 

 

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Pretty much the item at the top of the Conservative wish list for nearly the last 50 years. They have been gearing up for this for decades.

I know of one group of people who would approve of this outside of their American brethren

 

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12 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

Yeah US is turning into a reality show by the day. 

 

Winder what would the 2021 season finale be. Tough to top the season opening this time around. My bet is the complete overturn of Roe V Wade followed by rapid legislation from red states banning abortion all together. 

As bad as that is, there is also the spectre of the Texas law that deputizes average citizens and gives them the right to sue anyone connected to an abortion in any way. Since the SCOTUS refused to block this obvious contravention of the precedent set down by Roe v Wade, it opens the door for Red states to enact similar laws...

 

What we could be seeing by the end of 2022 is a situation where it becomes illegal for women to travel to other states to get an abortion.

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49 minutes ago, stawns said:

I mean, you kind of have the give the repugnants credit........they are far less popular than the Dems, but win far more frequently and have figured out how to take over the country despite having significantly less support than the left.  They understand that taking over school boards, city councils is incredibly effective at getting what they want at a local level.  They also understand that once they gain some power at the state level they can redraw districts to ensure they are re-elected at the state and federal levels, despite being relatively unpopular and not really doing anything to actually govern.

 

The Dems are focused on policy and governing and they don't really seem to notice they are being cut out of the game.

Exactly.....and all they have to do is threaten violence against the families of the people they target, forcing them to resign or move away...knowing all the while, that law enforcement won't see their actions as criminal......

 

Genius, really....

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

I mean, you kind of have the give the repugnants credit........they are far less popular than the Dems, but win far more frequently and have figured out how to take over the country despite having significantly less support than the left.  They understand that taking over school boards, city councils is incredibly effective at getting what they want at a local level.  They also understand that once they gain some power at the state level they can redraw districts to ensure they are re-elected at the state and federal levels, despite being relatively unpopular and not really doing anything to actually govern.

 

The Dems are focused on policy and governing and they don't really seem to notice they are being cut out of the game.

 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

I mean, you kind of have the give the repugnants credit........they are far less popular than the Dems, but win far more frequently and have figured out how to take over the country despite having significantly less support than the left.  They understand that taking over school boards, city councils is incredibly effective at getting what they want at a local level.  They also understand that once they gain some power at the state level they can redraw districts to ensure they are re-elected at the state and federal levels, despite being relatively unpopular and not really doing anything to actually govern.

 

The Dems are focused on policy and governing and they don't really seem to notice they are being cut out of the game.

The problem also is the left electorate right now loves to point out problems and complain especially online and do little themselves to solve the issues.

 

Heck much of the left don't even do the bare minimum and vote compared to the rabid right.

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When TRUMP tested positive for Covid, a lot of us pointed out that is was likely that he had Covid when debating Biden.  Turns out that he did test positive, but they chalked it up to a false positive, at the time.  Funny how none of this was made public, at the time.  

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-denies-positive-covid-test-days-first-presidential-debate-n1285158

Trump denies positive Covid test days before first presidential debate

Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows says in a new book that Trump tested positive for Covid on Sept. 26, three days before the debate and before his diagnosis was revealed.
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Fox host:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/fox-host-doubles-down-on-outrageous-comparison-of-fauci-to-nazi-angel-of-death-doctor-as-network-remains-silent/ar-AARm1yc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

"Lara Logan, a Fox News personality and host on the network's streaming service, appeared on Wednesday to stand by her widely condemned comparison of Dr. Anthony Fauci to an infamous Nazi doctor — all while the right-wing channel remains silent about the matter.

 

Logan tweeted a number of articles about how the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which Fauci heads, decades ago funded clinical trials of drugs on HIV-positive foster children.

The suggestion seemed to be that the research was somehow akin to the grotesque — and often lethal — experiments that the infamous Nazi doctor Josef Mengele performed on unwilling prisoners at Auschwitz with no regard to their safety or physical and emotional pain.

 

Wednesday's tweets come one day after Logan was condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, Auschwitz Museum, and American Jewish Committee for comparing Fauci and to Mengele, who was known as the "Angle of Death" for performing brutal experiments on those at the Auschwitz death camp.

But instead of apologizing, Logan doubled down, continuing in her aim to demonize Fauci.

While on her Twitter rant, Logan bizarrely posted links to two websites that promoted the fringe and false claim that AIDS is not caused by HIV.

Logan also amplified an attack on the Auschwitz Museum, retweeting a user who slammed the organization for criticizing her comments the day before. A representative for the Auschwitz Museum told CNN that she meanwhile had blocked the organization's account on Twitter.

A Fox News representative did not respond to requests for comment on Logan's Wednesday behavior, which comes during the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah.

Consistent with how it handles many controversies, the right-wing channel has ignored questions about Logan's incendiary rhetoric since the backlash first erupted when she made her comments Monday night.

But Logan's choice to stand by her remarks, and Fox News' refusal to address the matter, earned both fresh criticism on Wednesday.

"It's not surprising that neither Logan or Fox News have apologized for the incredibly offensive remarks Logan made on a program earlier this week comparing Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele," Anti-Defamation League spokesman Jake Hyman told CNN Business in a statement.

"Logan and the network seem to be immune to shame and allergic to remorse," Hyman added. "It's equally disturbing, yet also not surprising, Logan would double-down this morning on Twitter. Make no mistake, these odious comparisons only serve to trivialize and distort the meaning and memory of the Holocaust."

Holly Huffnagle, the American Jewish Committee's director for combating antisemitism, said in a Wednesday statement that it is "deeply upsetting that not only has Lara Logan failed to apologize for likening Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele, she also appears to be doubling down on this disgusting comparison on social media."

"Holocaust distortion is an attack on Jewish identity and memory, and Logan should apologize immediately," Huffnagle said. "We also call on her employer Fox to voice their disapproval of her statements. Their silence has been deafening."

Michael Bornstein, a survivor of the Auschwitz death camp, also appeared on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning and called Logan's comments "disgusting."

Bornstein told anchor John Berman that "there is absolutely zero comparison" to be made between Mengele, who committed unspeakable atrocities, and Fauci, who is working to save lives amid a global pandemic.

His daughter, Debbie Bornstein Holinstat, who co-wrote a book about the Holocaust with her father, described Logan's comment as "sickening." She also blasted Fox News for remaining silent on the matter.

"For a network to not stand up ... is equally disturbing," she said.

Logan was formerly a correspondent for CBS News' famed program "60 Minutes." At the network, she faced significant scrutiny for errors in a report she did on the Benghazi attack, ultimately resulting in her apologizing for the inaccuracies and being forced to take a leave of absence.

Logan left CBS News in 2018 and joined Fox News in 2020. She told The Los Angeles Times when she joined that she wasn't "trying to be an opinion person," but has since become one of the right-wing channel's most conspiratorial talking heads.

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How freaking stupid do you have to be to compare Fauci with Mengele?

 

Fox host stupid, is the answer you were looking for.

 
 
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7 minutes ago, gurn said:

Fox host:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/fox-host-doubles-down-on-outrageous-comparison-of-fauci-to-nazi-angel-of-death-doctor-as-network-remains-silent/ar-AARm1yc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

"Lara Logan, a Fox News personality and host on the network's streaming service, appeared on Wednesday to stand by her widely condemned comparison of Dr. Anthony Fauci to an infamous Nazi doctor — all while the right-wing channel remains silent about the matter.

 

Logan tweeted a number of articles about how the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which Fauci heads, decades ago funded clinical trials of drugs on HIV-positive foster children.

The suggestion seemed to be that the research was somehow akin to the grotesque — and often lethal — experiments that the infamous Nazi doctor Josef Mengele performed on unwilling prisoners at Auschwitz with no regard to their safety or physical and emotional pain.

 

Wednesday's tweets come one day after Logan was condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, Auschwitz Museum, and American Jewish Committee for comparing Fauci and to Mengele, who was known as the "Angle of Death" for performing brutal experiments on those at the Auschwitz death camp.

But instead of apologizing, Logan doubled down, continuing in her aim to demonize Fauci.

While on her Twitter rant, Logan bizarrely posted links to two websites that promoted the fringe and false claim that AIDS is not caused by HIV.

Logan also amplified an attack on the Auschwitz Museum, retweeting a user who slammed the organization for criticizing her comments the day before. A representative for the Auschwitz Museum told CNN that she meanwhile had blocked the organization's account on Twitter.

A Fox News representative did not respond to requests for comment on Logan's Wednesday behavior, which comes during the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah.

Consistent with how it handles many controversies, the right-wing channel has ignored questions about Logan's incendiary rhetoric since the backlash first erupted when she made her comments Monday night.

But Logan's choice to stand by her remarks, and Fox News' refusal to address the matter, earned both fresh criticism on Wednesday.

"It's not surprising that neither Logan or Fox News have apologized for the incredibly offensive remarks Logan made on a program earlier this week comparing Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele," Anti-Defamation League spokesman Jake Hyman told CNN Business in a statement.

"Logan and the network seem to be immune to shame and allergic to remorse," Hyman added. "It's equally disturbing, yet also not surprising, Logan would double-down this morning on Twitter. Make no mistake, these odious comparisons only serve to trivialize and distort the meaning and memory of the Holocaust."

Holly Huffnagle, the American Jewish Committee's director for combating antisemitism, said in a Wednesday statement that it is "deeply upsetting that not only has Lara Logan failed to apologize for likening Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele, she also appears to be doubling down on this disgusting comparison on social media."

"Holocaust distortion is an attack on Jewish identity and memory, and Logan should apologize immediately," Huffnagle said. "We also call on her employer Fox to voice their disapproval of her statements. Their silence has been deafening."

Michael Bornstein, a survivor of the Auschwitz death camp, also appeared on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning and called Logan's comments "disgusting."

Bornstein told anchor John Berman that "there is absolutely zero comparison" to be made between Mengele, who committed unspeakable atrocities, and Fauci, who is working to save lives amid a global pandemic.

His daughter, Debbie Bornstein Holinstat, who co-wrote a book about the Holocaust with her father, described Logan's comment as "sickening." She also blasted Fox News for remaining silent on the matter.

"For a network to not stand up ... is equally disturbing," she said.

Logan was formerly a correspondent for CBS News' famed program "60 Minutes." At the network, she faced significant scrutiny for errors in a report she did on the Benghazi attack, ultimately resulting in her apologizing for the inaccuracies and being forced to take a leave of absence.

Logan left CBS News in 2018 and joined Fox News in 2020. She told The Los Angeles Times when she joined that she wasn't "trying to be an opinion person," but has since become one of the right-wing channel's most conspiratorial talking heads.

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How freaking stupid do you have to be to compare Fauci with Mengele?

 

Fox host stupid, is the answer you were looking for.

 
 

How ignorant do you have to be to attack the Auschwitz museum?  She, along with her enablers, should be making a trip to visit and truly reflect on what she's saying.  There is something very wrong with her if she leaves unaffected.

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Interesting statement made today

 

Iuf Roe v Wade is overturned citing the right to life.  A precedent may be set for the forcible injection of the vaccine in to people citing the same right to life.

 

Will be fun to watch.  I personally feel as though US politicians are not nearly as devious as they could/should be.

 

The moment this is overturned I'd have moved to enforce mandatory vaccinations for the same reasons cited, almost word for word 9inserting vaccine in place of baby or fetus) and the move towards ensuring vasectomies became part of abortion law mandates while also repealing the right to viagra from state and federal health plans.  As well in a final twist the right to request the name of the supposed father in place of those seeking abortions or forced to carry to term and ensuring that the mother has the full right to not only petition but sue said individual and his family for full support for no less than 19 years starting AT the moment of conception (since that's such a fun sticking point)

 

Honestly, imagine how fast this crap gets censured but once it's been motioned and put out there it can't be taken back

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31 minutes ago, gurn said:

Fox host:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/fox-host-doubles-down-on-outrageous-comparison-of-fauci-to-nazi-angel-of-death-doctor-as-network-remains-silent/ar-AARm1yc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

"Lara Logan, a Fox News personality and host on the network's streaming service, appeared on Wednesday to stand by her widely condemned comparison of Dr. Anthony Fauci to an infamous Nazi doctor — all while the right-wing channel remains silent about the matter.

 

Logan tweeted a number of articles about how the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which Fauci heads, decades ago funded clinical trials of drugs on HIV-positive foster children.

The suggestion seemed to be that the research was somehow akin to the grotesque — and often lethal — experiments that the infamous Nazi doctor Josef Mengele performed on unwilling prisoners at Auschwitz with no regard to their safety or physical and emotional pain.

 

Wednesday's tweets come one day after Logan was condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, Auschwitz Museum, and American Jewish Committee for comparing Fauci and to Mengele, who was known as the "Angle of Death" for performing brutal experiments on those at the Auschwitz death camp.

But instead of apologizing, Logan doubled down, continuing in her aim to demonize Fauci.

While on her Twitter rant, Logan bizarrely posted links to two websites that promoted the fringe and false claim that AIDS is not caused by HIV.

Logan also amplified an attack on the Auschwitz Museum, retweeting a user who slammed the organization for criticizing her comments the day before. A representative for the Auschwitz Museum told CNN that she meanwhile had blocked the organization's account on Twitter.

A Fox News representative did not respond to requests for comment on Logan's Wednesday behavior, which comes during the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah.

Consistent with how it handles many controversies, the right-wing channel has ignored questions about Logan's incendiary rhetoric since the backlash first erupted when she made her comments Monday night.

But Logan's choice to stand by her remarks, and Fox News' refusal to address the matter, earned both fresh criticism on Wednesday.

"It's not surprising that neither Logan or Fox News have apologized for the incredibly offensive remarks Logan made on a program earlier this week comparing Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele," Anti-Defamation League spokesman Jake Hyman told CNN Business in a statement.

"Logan and the network seem to be immune to shame and allergic to remorse," Hyman added. "It's equally disturbing, yet also not surprising, Logan would double-down this morning on Twitter. Make no mistake, these odious comparisons only serve to trivialize and distort the meaning and memory of the Holocaust."

Holly Huffnagle, the American Jewish Committee's director for combating antisemitism, said in a Wednesday statement that it is "deeply upsetting that not only has Lara Logan failed to apologize for likening Dr. Fauci to Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele, she also appears to be doubling down on this disgusting comparison on social media."

"Holocaust distortion is an attack on Jewish identity and memory, and Logan should apologize immediately," Huffnagle said. "We also call on her employer Fox to voice their disapproval of her statements. Their silence has been deafening."

Michael Bornstein, a survivor of the Auschwitz death camp, also appeared on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning and called Logan's comments "disgusting."

Bornstein told anchor John Berman that "there is absolutely zero comparison" to be made between Mengele, who committed unspeakable atrocities, and Fauci, who is working to save lives amid a global pandemic.

His daughter, Debbie Bornstein Holinstat, who co-wrote a book about the Holocaust with her father, described Logan's comment as "sickening." She also blasted Fox News for remaining silent on the matter.

"For a network to not stand up ... is equally disturbing," she said.

Logan was formerly a correspondent for CBS News' famed program "60 Minutes." At the network, she faced significant scrutiny for errors in a report she did on the Benghazi attack, ultimately resulting in her apologizing for the inaccuracies and being forced to take a leave of absence.

Logan left CBS News in 2018 and joined Fox News in 2020. She told The Los Angeles Times when she joined that she wasn't "trying to be an opinion person," but has since become one of the right-wing channel's most conspiratorial talking heads.

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How freaking stupid do you have to be to compare Fauci with Mengele?

 

Fox host stupid, is the answer you were looking for.

I had a discussion with Jimmy about this stuff yesterday....

 

Today, Chris Cuomo is suspended indefinitely. Over at Faux, it's "Nothing to see here".

 

As I said at the time, they operate on different sets of rules....:rolleyes:

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5 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I had a discussion with Jimmy about this stuff yesterday....

 

Today, Chris Cuomo is suspended indefinitely. Over at Faux, it's "Nothing to see here".

 

As I said at the time, they operate on different sets of rules....:rolleyes:

I wonder what it is going to take before the folk on the 'left' get upset enough to actually do things; like show up for meetings and vote on everything that can be voted on.

If that was to happen I'd say the 'right' side of the spectrum would shrink and disappear.

 

Just show up and vote, there is enough left leaners to destroy the repubs for decades to come.

 

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2 minutes ago, gurn said:

I wonder what it is going to take before the folk on the 'left' get upset enough to actually do things; like show up for meetings and vote on everything that can be voted on.

If that was to happen I'd say the 'right' side of the spectrum would shrink and disappear.

 

Just show up and vote, there is enough left leaners to destroy the repubs for decades to come.

Theoretically.....but for the past year + the Republicans at the state levels have been stacking the decks to try and make sure those folks don't get out to vote and if they do, to invalidate those votes by claiming "fraud"....

 

It basically starts with the Supreme Court, which punted on it's obligation to protect the right to vote, instead giving the states free reign to get the fix in.....

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5 minutes ago, gurn said:

As far as the US Supreme Court goes, I'm fine with expanding the number of judges, as there is no constitutional limit.

 

I prefer to play by honourable rules, but if need be I can be flexible.

 

There was some times where the number of SCOTUS justices were the same as the number of federal court districts.  Having one SCOTUS justice "represent" each Federal Court District (with the possibility of "residency requirements) is not entirely unreasonable.

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9 hours ago, stawns said:

I mean, you kind of have the give the repugnants credit........they are far less popular than the Dems, but win far more frequently and have figured out how to take over the country despite having significantly less support than the left.  They understand that taking over school boards, city councils is incredibly effective at getting what they want at a local level.  They also understand that once they gain some power at the state level they can redraw districts to ensure they are re-elected at the state and federal levels, despite being relatively unpopular and not really doing anything to actually govern.

 

The Dems are focused on policy and governing and they don't really seem to notice they are being cut out of the game.

They rule by fear which is much more powerful motivator.
Fear of immigrants, gun confiscation, people of color, white replacement, communism, socialism, death panels, terrorism, Muslims, Russians, Chinese  etc.

As Machiavelli would say “I would rather be feared than loved”

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8 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

They rule by fear which is much more powerful motivator.
Fear of immigrants, gun confiscation, people of color, white replacement, communism, socialism, death panels, terrorism, Muslims, Russians, Chinese  etc.

As Machiavelli would say “I would rather be feared than loved”

I have read The Prince several times,own a copy.

He actually states it is better to be feared than loved if one cannot be both. 

He puts forward the idea that fear is a better motivator/tool for leaders to use. 

 

I believe that Nicola didn't want to be feared,rather was writing a treatise on political manipulation.

 

I was listening to a lecture this Arvo on your eugenics program in the 20's.

The sterilisations,the box caring of people to ports and deporting them.

 

The Nazi's took a lot of inspiration from America's actions in regards to this.

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8 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I have read The Prince several times,own a copy.

He actually states it is better to be feared than loved if one cannot be both. 

He puts forward the idea that fear is a better motivator/tool for leaders to use. 

 

I believe that Nicola didn't want to be feared,rather was writing a treatise on political manipulation.

 

I was listening to a lecture this Arvo on your eugenics program in the 20's.

The sterilisations,the box caring of people to ports and deporting them.

 

The Nazi's took a lot of inspiration from America's actions in regards to this.

The US kept sterilizing First Nations until at least the 80s, if they sought abortions, if I recall correctly.  Come for an abortion and get a free hysterectomy! 

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