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4 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Imagine if he had taken this seriously from the start as his own intelligence agencies had suggested? How many countries would have followed suit? How many lives could have been saved? The victory laps he would be doing would be insufferable but deserving at least. Now we get to watch him do undeserved victory laps instead. 

After all it’s said and done the only laps certain people will be doing are located inside federal penitentiary.

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7 hours ago, nux4lyfe said:

the guy put a block on China 2 weeks ahead before this crap went ramped ...Everyone and their mom called him out, Guess who was right?

Totally man. He put a block on China and then did SFA else. Told everybody that the virus was a dem party hoax and that we’re going down from 15 cases to none by tomorrow.

 

 

Yeah his response was picture perfect. 

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20 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

Starting?  I felt was obvious since he started running. If you watch interviews of his from the 80s and 90s he's actually a decent and measured speaker. He's drastically changed and I just don't mean when firing up the dimwits that compose much of his base. 

Back in the 80s he was angling to be the chief negotiator for the US in nuclear disarmament talks with the Russians. Claimed that it would take him about 1 1/2 hours to bring negotiations to a successful conclusion. 
Did’t get the gig. Too bad, right?

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5 hours ago, nux4lyfe said:

I'm not sure if you're delusion but I post my opinion too.

Forgive me for posting a video about Donald Trump....In a Trump thread! The irony eh!?

:frantic:Dude shut the the China travel before you could even say Chi..

Trump does whatever he thinks will goose the stock market. Shutting off air travel from China probably accomplished less to keep the numbers down in the US than keeping that cruise ship from docking in California for so long. 
Dude was shamed into doing something tangible about the Virus by the governors of New York and California.

 

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7 hours ago, Canorth said:


Jesus.... I didn’t say he was 2nd worst.... re-read, then I’ll encourage you to re-comprehend

 

I doubt it. I’ve never been on YouTube. Nor have I licked a picture of Trumps balls, before my first cup of coffee. Not sure where you would assume that you would know “my kind.”
 

You’re more than welcome to the conversation. Your welcome to bring your own thoughts and your own opinions. But when you continue to post stupid anecdotal clips and and push retarded 20 year old conspiracies....
 

Up your game, bud. You’re better than this. 

How many pages in this thread are dedicated to things Trump allegedly did but have never been proven at all?

5 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Imagine if he had taken this seriously from the start as his own intelligence agencies had suggested? How many countries would have followed suit? How many lives could have been saved? The victory laps he would be doing would be insufferable but deserving at least. Now we get to watch him do undeserved victory laps instead. 

This is the thing I don't understand I was quick to admit that he had a poor response but if he did then I guess our own prime minister did but yet you guys don't seem to say that.

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3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

How many pages in this thread are dedicated to things Trump allegedly did but have never been proven at all?

This is the thing I don't understand I was quick to admit that he had a poor response but if he did then I guess our own prime minister did but yet you guys don't seem to say that.

I don't know, what did Canadian intelligence officials tell JT in January? What did he tell the Canadian public? I'm speculating but I'd bet a great deal of our, and western intelligence in general, comes directly from the US too. I wonder how that was affected by Trumps stance?

 

Trump didn't take any of this seriously. We all witnessed it. And now we are being told what a beautiful job he did, the best. Rinse and repeat. 

 

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-false-claims-march/index.html

 

This is only part:

 

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump began March with a barrage of false claims about the coronavirus pandemic -- understating the extent of the crisis, overstating the availability of tests, inaccurately blaming his predecessor and wrongly insisting that the crisis was unforeseen.

 

Trump made 50 false claims from March 2 through March 8, then 21 false claims from March 9 through March 15. Of those 71 false claims, 33 were related to the coronavirus. That is on top of some additional misleading claims from Trump about the coronavirus (we only count the false claims here), plus some false and misleading claims from members of his administration.

 

Trump is now averaging about 57 false claims per week since we started counting at CNN on July 8, 2019. From that date through March 15, he has made 2,062 false claims in all.

 

The most egregious false claim: The availability of coronavirus tests

 

On March 6, as doctors and health officials around the country were reporting a shortage of coronavirus tests, Trump said, "Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That's what the bottom line is."

 

In reality, Americans needed authorization from a doctor to get tested -- and even many people who did have a doctor's order could not get access.

 

This was Trump deceiving the country about one of the most critical problems of the crisis.

 

The most revealing false claim: Trade with Europe

Trump is serially reluctant to admit error, even trivial slips he makes while reading prepared speeches. Instead of correcting himself, he usually pretends that he has not slipped at all.

During his Oval Office address to the nation about the coronavirus on March 11, Trump, speaking from a script, announced that he was imposing restrictions on travel from Europe -- and then added that "these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo, but various other things as we get approval. Anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing."

As he was forced to explain on Twitter after the speech, he was not actually banning trade and cargo from Europe.

So what happened? The usual, according to reporting from The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. Trump's speech said the prohibitions would not apply to trade and cargo; Trump accidentally added the word "only," reversing the meaning; Trump plowed ahead as usual.

 

The most absurd false claim: Handshakes in India

Trump is regularly willing to make false claims that can be disproven using widely available video footage.

While meeting with the prime minister of Ireland on March 12, Trump was asked whether he was fine shaking hands with foreign prime ministers. Trump said they hadn't shaken hands that day -- then added, "You know, I just got back from India, and I didn't shake any hands there."

An Indian news website promptly published a photo gallery of seven Trump handshakes during his trip.

 

The coronavirus

'Control' of the coronavirus

"This is a very contagious -- this is a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something that we have tremendous control of." -- March 15 coronavirus press conference

Facts First: Experts said the US did not have the virus even close to under control. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at this same briefing after Trump left the room: "The worst is, yes, ahead for us. It is how we respond to that challenge that's going to determine what the ultimate end point is going to be. We have a very, very critical point now."

Trump claimed the next day that he had not meant the virus was under control -- that he had meant "we are doing a very good job within the confines of what we're dealing with." But he had repeatedly made clear on previous occasions that he was talking about the virus when he spoke of "control." He said in late January, soon after the US announced its first confirmed case, that "we have it totally under control." He said in late February, when the number of confirmed US cases was in the low dozens, that "we have it very much under control in this country."

 

Expectations of the pandemic

"...but we're having to fix a problem that, four weeks ago, nobody ever thought would be a problem." -- March 11 exchange with reporters at coronavirus meeting with bankers

Facts First: The US intelligence community, public health experts and officials in Trump's own administration had warned for years that the country was at risk from a pandemic. Some of the warnings specifically mentioned the possibility of a coronavirus pandemic. And when this particular coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, was identified in China in early January, health experts quickly cautioned it could be a major problem around the world.

"This was foreseeable, and foreseen, weeks and months ago, and only now is the White House coming out of denial and heading straight into saying it could not have been foreseen," Harvard University epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch, director of Harvard's Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, said on Sunday.

"Almost two months ago, experts were saying that the new virus in Wuhan was potentially a global threat," Lipsitch said in an email. "One month ago, experts were saying that it was likely to be pandemic, and the White House's response was that this was under control, despite the fact that the US's lack of testing was demonstrably giving a false picture of the extent of infection."

 

Obama and coronavirus testing

Trump claimed twice that he had reversed an Obama-era decision that had impeded testing for the coronavirus. On the first occasion, Trump said, "The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing. And we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion. That was a decision we disagreed with."

Facts First: There is no regulation from President Barack Obama that impeded coronavirus testing. The Obama administration did put forward a draft proposal related to lab testing, but it was never implemented. When asked what Obama administration decision Trump might be referring to, Peter Kyriacopoulos, chief policy officer at the Association of Public Health Laboratories, said: "We aren't sure what rule is being referenced."

Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, who was principal deputy commissioner of the FDA under Obama and is now professor of the practice at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said, "There wasn't a policy that was put into place that inhibited them. There was no Obama policy they were reversing."

 

The availability of coronavirus tests

"Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That's what the bottom line is." And: "Anybody right now and yesterday — anybody that needs a test gets a test. We — they're there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test." -- March 6 exchange with reporters after tour of the Centers for Disease Control of Prevention

Facts First: That simply wasn't true. There were an insufficient number of tests available, as Vice President Mike Pence acknowledged the day prior, and Americans could not get tested simply because they wanted to get tested. "You may not get a test unless a doctor or public health official prescribes a test," Azar said the day after Trump's remark -- and even some of the people whose doctors wanted them to be tested were not able to obtain a test. (Azar claimed Trump was using "shorthand" for the fact that "we as regulators, or as those shipping the test, are not restricting who can get tested.")

 

Coronavirus testing

Trump was asked about a case in which a doctor in Houston reported being unable to obtain permission to get a patient tested despite the patient having "symptoms of something" and having tested negative for the flu.

Trump responded that this was a mere "one case" and that "frankly, the testing has been going very smooth." He also claimed: "If you go to the right agency, if you go to the right area, you get the test." -- March 12 exchange with reporters before meeting with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar

Facts First: It was simply not true that testing had been going smoothly or that, as Trump suggested, it was simple to get a test by contacting the proper authorities.

Health officials in states around the country continued to report a shortage of tests and other problems. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told Congress the same day: "The system does not -- is not really geared to what we need right now ... that is a failing. It is a failing, let's admit it."

Dr. Fauci said, "The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countr(ies) are doing it: we're not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes. But we're not."

You can read a full fact check here.

The timeline

"We got hit with the virus, really, three weeks ago, if you think about it, I guess. That's when we first started, really, to see, you know, some possible effects." -- March 5 Fox News town hall in Scranton, Pennsylvania

Facts First: The US had its first confirmed case of the coronavirus on January 21, more than six weeks before Trump spoke here, so it's not true that the US had not really seen even "some possible effects" until three weeks ago.

 

People's knowledge of the number of flu deaths

"You know, three, four weeks ago, I said, 'Well, how many people die a year from the flu?' And, in this country, I think last year was 36- or 37,000 people. And I'm saying, 'Wow, nobody knew that information.'" -- March 2 exchange with reporters at coronavirus meeting with pharmaceutical companies

"So when you lose 27,000 people a year, nobody knew that. I didn't know that." -- March 2 campaign rally in Charlotte, North Carolina

Facts First: Trump might not have known the number of annual flu deaths in the US, but that doesn't mean "nobody" else did. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publishes annual estimates on its website.

The CDC estimates that between 12,000 and 61,000 people have died in the US in each flu season between 2010-2011 and 2018-2019; its preliminary figure for 2018-2019 is 34,157 deaths.

 

Flu deaths in 1990

Speaking about the flu, Trump said, "I think we went as high as 100,000 people died in 1990, if you can believe that." -- March 4 interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity

"...when I was hearing the amount of people that died with flu, I was shocked to hear it. Anywhere from 27,000 to 70,000 or 77,000. And I guess they said, in 1990, that was in particular very bad; it was higher than that." -- March 6 exchange with reporters after tour of the Centers for Disease Control of Prevention

Facts First: While the 1989-1990 flu season was considered bad at the time -- the CDC declared that it was an epidemic -- Trump greatly overstated the number of deaths. A CDC analysis in 2010 estimated that there were 26,582 deaths from the seasonal flu in 1989-1990. (The same analysis found that this number of deaths was exceeded in nine of the 17 subsequent flu seasons through 2006-2007.)

 

Polling on Trump and the coronavirus

"Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation." -- March 5 tweet

"Our response is one of the best, with fast action of border closings & a 78% Approval Rating, the highest on record." -- March 12 tweet

Facts First: Trump does not have a "78% approval rating" for his handling of the coronavirus, nor "the highest rating ever" for a president's handling of an outbreak.

Trump may have been wrongly describing a Gallup poll conducted in early-to-mid-February -- before there were any reported US deaths from the coronavirus -- that found 77% of respondents had confidence in the federal government to handle a coronavirus outbreak. But that poll asked about confidence in the government's future acts, not about approval of its actual work to date. It also did not ask about Trump in particular.

Polls actually asking about people's approval of Trump's handling of the virus situation at the time found that his approval rating is much lower than 78%. In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll conducted March 11-13, 45% of registered voters approved of his handling of the coronavirus, while 51% disapproved. A Quinnipiac University poll conducted March 5-8 found that 43% of registered voters approved, 49% disapproved. (Some subsequent polls found Trump's coronavirus-related approval above 50%.) Conversely, a CNN poll taken in October and November 2009 found that 57% approved of Barack Obama's handling of the H1N1 flu pandemic.

 

Travel from Europe

"To keep new cases from entering our shores, we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days...There will be exemptions for Americans who have undergone appropriate screenings...These restrictions will also not apply to the United Kingdom." -- March 11 Oval Office address to the nation on the coronavirus

Facts First: Trump was incorrectly describing his own policy...... (cont'd)

 

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8 hours ago, Sean Monahan said:

It can be argued that Trudeau’s response has been underwhelming but his words have been honest. Unlike Trump, he didn’t choose to downplay the severity of the impending pandemic and, again unlike Trump, he didn’t blatantly exaggerate the level of control his administration had on the pandemic once it had already firmly lodged its massive foot up the nation’s ass. 

Exactly. In both cases, the argument could be made that they should have acted more quickly, or more decisively. But only one of them made a point of downplaying the severity and disseminated disinformation in order to try and make himself look better. Only one of them has continually been making public statements that medical experts have to walk back.

 

No-one can be blamed for not knowing what the future holds. But you can and should be blamed for blatantly lying about that future, when those same medical experts are telling you otherwise.

 

EDIT: and speaking of blatantly lying, Deb has nicely summarized that for us in the post above. (thanks Deb)

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Almost forgot:

 

Justin Trudeau (to my knowledge) hasn't blamed his response time or lack of preparedness on Stephen Harper......

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47 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Justin Trudeau (to my knowledge) hasn't blamed his response time or lack of preparedness on Stephen Harper......

I'm preparing that speech for him right now 

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18 hours ago, nux4lyfe said:

I'm not sure if you're delusion but I post my opinion too.

Forgive me for posting a video about Donald Trump....In a Trump thread! The irony eh!?

:frantic:Dude shut the the China travel before you could even say Chi..

I will give credit where it's due and he did stop travel from China before most, which he was right to do. The response to the closing from some was embarassing as well. 

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Add another log on the TRUMP is an incompetent moron dumpster fire.

 

Business insider article

Trump went on a Twitter spree urging the US economy to go back to business as usual starting as early as next week

 

  • Late Sunday night and early Monday morning, President Trump went on a Twitt spree urging the US economy to get back to business as usual in just a week. 
  • "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!" Trump tweeted Sunday night.
  • As multiple states grapple with an impending wave of coronavirus cases, they expect several major industries to be hurt as businesses remain closed for a period of months, not another week

 

 

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14 hours ago, PistolPete13 said:

Totally man. He put a block on China and then did SFA else. Told everybody that the virus was a dem party hoax and that we’re going down from 15 cases to none by tomorrow.

 

 

Yeah his response was picture perfect. 

Just like the transcript. 

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Add another log on the TRUMP is an incompetent moron dumpster fire.

 

Business insider article

Trump went on a Twitter spree urging the US economy to go back to business as usual starting as early as next week

 

  • Late Sunday night and early Monday morning, President Trump went on a Twitt spree urging the US economy to get back to business as usual in just a week. 
  • "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!" Trump tweeted Sunday night.
  • As multiple states grapple with an impending wave of coronavirus cases, they expect several major industries to be hurt as businesses remain closed for a period of months, not another week

 

 

it'll be interesting to see which states ignore him and which ones try to go back to normal too early. There's a lot of local power to keep things shut down, so hopefully he just gets ignored. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it'll be interesting to see which states ignore him and which ones try to go back to normal too early. There's a lot of local power to keep things shut down, so hopefully he just gets ignored. 

 

We are past the ignore stage.

He needs to be kicked in the nads

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3 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

We are past the ignore stage.

He needs to be kicked in the nads

yup. 

 

I don't really expect the fallout from this to do anything other than fall along party lines, ultimately. 

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What I heard was Trump saying the situation would be reviewed after 15 days and we aren’t close to that yet. I did not hear anything about people back to work? What am I missing?

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25 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

What I heard was Trump saying the situation would be reviewed after 15 days and we aren’t close to that yet. I did not hear anything about people back to work? What am I missing?

It's speculation. Taking into account how much he's tied himself to the economy. It's not too far fetched.

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