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6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It's good to see all of those early voters....I think people have been motivated by the "election fraud" talk and are afraid that if they vote by mail and their vote isn't counted until days after the election, there's a good chance that Bone Spurs will make sure it doesn't get counted at all....

The only reason I voted so early is because I knew that if only goobers voted early, DT will cry fraud.

First time ever I even called friends and told them to get out and vote early.

 

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Just now, CBH1926 said:

Rich people care about the money and religious ones about the abortion like you said.

The rest are combination of ignorant, stupid, racist, uneducated, those left behind, pre mass immigration America crowd, only GOP voters, isolationists, naive etc. I haven’t encountered too many intelligent people that plan to vote for him again. 
You get a pass, somewhat for 2016, maybe you thought DT was going to change things, no excuse for voting for him again.

Yep....I've seen a few interviews with people who voted for Trump in 2016 to "take a chance" on him and are now either embarrassed by the fact, or feel betrayed because Trump sold them a bill of goods....

 

...I can only assume that the MAGA crowd for some reason, don't understand that their shiny new toy was a lemon from the get go....

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2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

The only reason I voted so early is because I knew that if only goobers voted early, DT will cry fraud.

First time ever I even called friends and told them to get out and vote early.

 

You're making me despise Chi-Town a little bit less with each post....

 

....keep it up and in a few years, I'll only be wishing abject failure on Kane and Keith....

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Take it FWIW, but yesterday I saw a headline that said something like "This is the only swing state that Trump currently leads in the polls"....

 

I assumed N Carolina, Arizona or Iowa, but nope.......Texas....

 

I didn't even think Texas was a swing state....:blink:

Trump is still ahead in Georgia but only by .4%. But Georgia shouldn't even be a swing state. I still think Texas is a bridge too far for this election.

 

On election night the first real indicator won't be the vote coming in in swing states but rather in the states Trump will win. States like West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee. If he's running 5-8% lower than what he won those states in 2016, he's finished. As that will indicate the states he narrowly won in 2016 are likely to flip quite easily.

 

FWIW I currently see the race 368 to 170.

 

On election night, after about 60-90 minutes people will switch their attention to the Senate races. If Dems take the Presidency and the Senate it's a game changer. And it will make Trump's eventual complaints sound even more ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I do.

 

One of the things that has always bothered me about the Democrats is their penchant for "taking the high road" all the time, and just accepting the tactics that the GOP employs.

 

Think if the situation were reversed: Obama just pulled the same trick that O'Connell did and the SCOTUS is 6-3 Liberal. Do you honestly think the Republican party would balk at adding justices? They wouldn't even dodge the question, as the Dems are currently doing. They'd come right out and say it. "Vote Republican for an 11 seat Supreme Court"....

Speaking of reversed situations and taking the high road, one thing that bothers me is: suppose the situation had been reversed back in the Spring of 2016 - there was a Republican President and a Democrat majority in the Senate.  And a vacancy in the Supreme Court occurred.  Would the Democrats have taken the high road and allowed the President to appoint a judge of his choice or would they have behaved just like the Republicans?

 

I'm not sure.

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1 minute ago, UnkNuk said:

Speaking of reversed situations and taking the high road, one thing that bothers me is: suppose the situation had been reversed back in the Spring of 2016 - there was a Republican President and a Democrat majority in the Senate.  And a vacancy in the Supreme Court occurred.  Would the Democrats have taken the high road and allowed the President to appoint a judge of his choice or would they have behaved just like the Republicans?

 

I'm not sure.

Who knows? While it's entirely possible that they would have refused, the real test would have been if they used the upcoming election as an excuse for not holding the hearings and then ignored that exact same reasoning 4 years later...

 

Maybe they would have, maybe not. What we know for sure is that the Republican party has done exactly that.

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Well this is timely given what I posted above. ...

 

Lastest polling in West Virginia shows Trump way in front of Biden, but there's a but

Tue 13 Oct 2020 22:16:58 GMT

 

Trump way ahead in a stronghold state of his, West Virginia

  • 53% of likely voters support Trump
  • 39% support former Vice President Biden
The 'but' in the headline refers to the 2016 results when :
  • Trump won with 67.9%
  • Clinton way behind at 26.2%
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49 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Rich people care about the money and religious ones about the abortion like you said.

The rest are combination of ignorant, stupid, racist, uneducated, those left behind, pre mass immigration America crowd, only GOP voters, isolationists, naive etc. I haven’t encountered too many intelligent people that plan to vote for him again. 
You get a pass, somewhat for 2016, maybe you thought DT was going to change things, no excuse for voting for him again.

There was an interesting article in the NYT by Bret Stephens about what could have happened if Trump had really been a politically incorrect President:

 

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Where would we be now if we had a truly politically incorrect president? Donald Trump is supposed to be politically incorrect, but, for the most part, he isn’t. He’s mainly just a jerk.

 

Jerkishness is often mistaken for political incorrectness, in the way that blind luck is easily mistaken for great skill. They’re fundamentally different. Political incorrectness is an expression of intellectual independence. Jerkishness is a personality defect. The former requires a sense of inner rectitude. The latter reveals an absence of inner boundaries.

 

Politically incorrect people are prepared to deviate from their own party, ideology or personal interest for the sake of a moral principle. Jerks are always in it for themselves alone.

 

Andrei Sakharov and Liu Xiaobo were politically incorrect: honest men in dishonest systems. Trump is a dishonest man in a country with an increasingly tenuous grip on the concept of honesty itself.

 

With this in mind, let’s imagine an alternative history for a (politically incorrect) Trump presidency.

 

January 2017: Shortly after his inauguration as president, Trump fulfills a campaign promise by releasing his full tax returns. In a statement, the president says he’s releasing them for two reasons.

 

“First of all, if our dishonest media ever gets a hold of them, and they will, they’ll lie about what’s in them! And second, they show just what’s wrong with our tax code. As a real estate developer, I make no apologies for taking advantage of every loophole. As president, I will close these crazy holes for the sake of the American people. #IAloneCanFixIt. #MAGA.”

February 2017: Infuriating movement conservatives, Trump resubmits 64-year-old Merrick Garland’s nomination to the Supreme Court, saying he wants to uphold the principle — denied to his predecessor — that a president has the right to nominate a candidate to fill a vacant judgeship at any point in his administration.

 

But he does so as part of a deal in which one of the court’s older conservative justices steps down from the bench in favor of Neil Gorsuch, 49. The subsequent retirement of Anthony Kennedy and the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg mean the court regains its conservative majority, with three younger justices, by the end of Trump’s first term.

 

October 2017: Following the massacre of some 60 people (and the injury of more than 800) by a lone gunman in Las Vegas, Trump delivers a prime-time address on the subject of gun control. He observes that, at the time the Second Amendment was written, a skilled marksman could fire, at most, three or four rounds a minute.

 

“The right to bear arms cannot become a license for American carnage,” he says, borrowing a line from his inaugural address. “We’re either going to get serious about regulating the ability of just about anyone to get access to high-powered, rapid-firing weapons, or we’re going to start requiring every gun owner to spend every other Sunday doing drills in their local ‘well-regulated militia’ — just like it says in the Constitution.”

 

May 2018: In the face of a migration crisis on the U.S.-Mexico border, Trump proposes a grand-immigration bargain with congressional Democrats: full funding for a border wall, in exchange for a path to citizenship for Dreamers. Later, he expands the proposal to a $2 trillion infrastructure bill with “Buy American” provisions, in exchange for expedited environmental reviews for federal projects and a repeal of the Jim Crow-era Davis-Bacon Act, which has long inflated the labor costs of public works.

 

June 2018: Invoking Gerald Ford’s congressional testimony regarding his presidential pardon of Richard Nixon, Trump agrees to sit before the House Intelligence Committee on the subject of his campaign’s links to Russia. He expresses regret for hiring Paul Manafort as campaign chairman and for his praise for WikiLeaks, which he concedes interfered in the 2016 election. But he challenges the factual basis of the Steele dossier and the legal basis for the F.B.I.’s investigation of his campaign.

 

July 2019: In a telephone call with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump makes no mention of the Biden family.

 

February 2020: Warning Americans that the novel coronavirus risks becoming the greatest global health emergency of the century, Trump tells Americans that we can beat this, and keep the economy strong, by adopting common-sense social-distancing measures: avoiding crowded public transportation, sports arenas, concerts and bars. Going further than even his own health experts recommended, he talks up his well-known germophobia and insists that everyone in the White House wear a face mask. But he also warns state governors that attempts to lock down entire communities in an effort to contain the spread is a futile cure that will impose ruinous economic costs.

 

June 2020: After the killing of George Floyd, Trump convenes a conference of law enforcement officials and others to develop a set of national police standards. He asks the Democratic Representative Val Demings of Florida to lead the conference.

 

For many conservatives (including me), some of these proposals would have been hard to accept. Liberals would have their own objections to some of this ideological jujitsu. Then again, what an interesting and fruitful administration it might have been. America still awaits a politically incorrect president — while it waits out the jerk.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/opinion/trump-2020.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20201013&instance_id=23086&nl=opinion-today&regi_id=56405277&segment_id=40798&te=1&user_id=dc88543b79693b0f05322365a827e237

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I don't know if I'm buying Stephens' logic here.....it seems to me like he's just playing with the definition of "politically incorrect".

 

Personally, i think a blanket statement that Mexican immigrants are "Rapists" and "Drug dealers" is about as politically incorrect as it gets....

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I have a feeling there are a lot of people who don't normally vote who will this time around just to get rid of Trump. A lot of people abstained last election afaik and I highly doubt the polls are even telling most of the story.

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I don't know if I'm buying Stephens' logic here.....it seems to me like he's just playing with the definition of "politically incorrect".

 

Personally, i think a blanket statement that Mexican immigrants are "Rapists" and "Drug dealers" is about as politically incorrect as it gets....


All I read was an absolute testimony in favour of intellectual dishonesty... supported by... gross hyperbole, and.... of course, actual dishonesty...

 


 

 

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3 hours ago, Chicken. said:

Interesting, is this site accurate ?  There are more people that requested a 'no party affiliation' ballot than a republican one ?  at least in these states.. 

 

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

 

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Few articles that I saw in the last few days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/06/election-2020-fueled-democrats-early-voting-way-up/3623292001/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/politics/ballot-returns-pennsylvania-voting-election-2020/index.html

 

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3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

For quite some time it's surprised me that this hasn't happened....it seems so obvious to me that trump is a complete disaster, yet people are proud to wear his name and wave flags at his rallies as if he's some kind of rock star....

 

I get people that hold their nose and vote for him, because they like tax cuts, or they want Roe v Wade overturned, but the hero worship from middle and lower income people just baffles me. I guess I just can't understand the level of distrust that some folks have for the Democratic party.:unsure:

Do I need to post that George Carlin quote again? ;) 

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3 hours ago, Chicken. said:

I spoke too soon, Joe commented he is not a fan of the practice, no low road for him !

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/joe-biden-addresses-idea-of-high-court-packing/ar-BB19ZeYl?ocid=msedgntp 

 

"I've already spoken on -- I'm not a fan of court packing," Biden told Cincinnati Affiliate WKRC Monday evening.

The comments -- while they don't answer whether Biden would try to add justices to the Supreme Court -- mark the closest Biden has gotten since the primary to sharing his views on the issue, which has come into intense focus following President Donald Trump’s quick nomination of Barrett to the Supreme Court following the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg in late September.

Biden, who finds himself caught between progressives who are pushing for adding justices to circumvent a conservative majority on the Supreme Court and the majority of Americans who in a recent poll were found to be against "court packing," has said he wouldn't answer the question until after the election.

 

 

Democrats would be utterly useless if they don't add at least two justices to the bench. They have all the reason in the world to add two. One for the one stolen from Obama and the other from Biden should he win. All of it stemming from the same logic Moscow Mitch applied himself. Otherwise it could have been called even had he let Obama appointed Garland.

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Harris County shattered their record for early voting, with hours to spare.  Houston

 

https://abc13.com/politics/harris-co-shatters-record-for-first-day-of-early-voting-/6992330/

Harris County shatters record for first day of early voting in county

 

EDIT:  Georgia broke the record of around 90,000 as well

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/520753-georgia-sets-record-with-126876-votes-on-first-day-of-early-voting

Georgia sets record with 126,876 votes on first day of early voting

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3 hours ago, Canorth said:


All I read was an absolute testimony in favour of intellectual dishonesty... supported by... gross hyperbole, and.... of course, actual dishonesty...

 


 

 

Could you expand on this a bit?  I thought the article outlined "what could have been" had an outsider president been elected who was willing to act in an independent manner.

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Loving the early signs of record voting and Democrats coming out en masse. 

 

The population has finally decided that corruption is worth fighting against. 

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Harris County shattered their record for early voting, with hours to spare.  Houston

 

https://abc13.com/politics/harris-co-shatters-record-for-first-day-of-early-voting-/6992330/

Harris County shatters record for first day of early voting in county

 

EDIT:  Georgia broke the record of around 90,000 as well

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/520753-georgia-sets-record-with-126876-votes-on-first-day-of-early-voting

Georgia sets record with 126,876 votes on first day of early voting

I’m hoping that’s a sign that Georgians are getting ready to oust the Covid-In-Chief. 
 


 

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Trump’s event stagers must be pranking him.

They’ve been playing Village People tunes at his super spreader events.

Last night it was Macho Macho Man and tonight it was YMCA. 
Bone spurs danced as the tunes played, with a big sh!t eating grin on his face . Oblivious to his world crashing down on him.

Sorry that I can’t find a link to the footage.

 

 

 

 

 

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It’s really super interesting that Trump sheep say there’s nothing in his tax returns. If that’s the case why is he trying everything to keep them from being released?

 

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