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7 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

If they let us take point roberts too ill be happy with it

Well, Canadians or Dual Citizens already own a significant majority of the real estate in Point Roberts.  COVID has made things pretty difficult there.

 

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14 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

If they let us take point roberts too ill be happy with it

I still don’t get why the border was drawn there. :wacko:

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40 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

UP aid very nice, you can have Detroit instead and Flint.

Yeah, I’ll happily take the UP and leave the Mitten. Especially if Canada also gets Mackinac and the rest of the islands.

 

We should also claim Point Roberts and the San Juan Islands, the Alaskan Panhandle, and maybe the Acadian parts of northern Maine (they’re basically Quebec anyway ;)).

 

Just need to bribe a Fox producer and get some maps shown on Hannity. Trump probably just accepts it then. Although these days, maybe we’d need to also pay somebody on OANN to verify the new borders.

 

Or we could just make a deal with Trump directly. I’m sure he’d be willing to trade us vast swathes of territory, in exchange for a couple Dominion servers and maybe a new Hunter laptop. Throw in some missing Hillary emails, and maybe he’ll give us Puerto Rico. :lol:

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47 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It also bears repeating that all of these frivolous lawsuits serve a dual purpose....

 

They galvanize Trump's support, by throwing shade at the electoral purpose and create enough doubt in the minds of Trump fans that the election was stolen from him. This galvanizes his base, something that most election losers don't manage to maintain, at least not in such numbers.

 

Secondly, the Trump campaign is using these lawsuits to raise funds. It's creating quite a war chest, I'm sure and it could make the prospect of purchasing a media outlet much easier, considering the amount of debt that Trump personally has accrued.

bingo Rup. He's already won by the attention and $ being throw his way. 

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16 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

I still don’t get why the border was drawn there. :wacko:

Partially due to a mistake when the US/Canadian border was accepted as the 49th parallel not knowing that Point Roberts was south of the parallel.  The British surveyors discovered this after the treaty was signed.  They tried to inform their US counterparts, but no meaningful response was levied by the US Boundary commission and Point Roberts remained in US hands.  

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So if Trump becomes the media kingmaker many are thinking (he'll try at least0 this is what our American friends have to look forward to:

 

 

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Ya, having TRUMP as POTUS isn't going to be a train wreck.  /s

 

In reality, there is BS like this.  OF course hyper partisan judges are going to be a godsend.  /s

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-florida-judges-conversion-therapy-ban-b1759706.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Trump appointed judges in Florida overturn ban on conversion therapy for minors

 

The judges ruled that the practice violates the First Amendment

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Just now, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Ya, having TRUMP as POTUS isn't going to be a train wreck.  /s

 

In reality, there is BS like this.  OF course hyper partisan judges are going to be a godsend.  /s

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-florida-judges-conversion-therapy-ban-b1759706.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Trump appointed judges in Florida overturn ban on conversion therapy for minors

 

The judges ruled that the practice violates the First Amendment

It’s just part of the “blow up the system” mantra that we heard in 2016.

I don’t like Trump but..........voting has consequences.

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I thought TRUMP was going to be too busy to go golfing.  Wouldn't G20 meetings be the kind of thing that would take precedent over playing a round of golf.  NOPE.  Not in TRUMP world.  He's the greatest POTUS ever in their eyes.

 

Real leaders wouldn't blow off G20 meetings.  

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-skipped-g20-coronavirus-meeting-to-play-golf-2020-11?r=US&IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com

Trump skipped a coronavirus meeting with G20 leaders to play golf

 

  • President Donald Trump was noticeably absent from a coronavirus meeting with this year's G20 Summit world leaders. 
  • CNN reported that leaders from Germany, France, South Korea, and Argentina were scheduled to participate in the event.
  • But Trump was noticeably absent and White House pool reporters said during a meeting focused on coronavirus preparedness Trump had arrived at one of his golf courses. 
  • The United States, with more than 11.9 million cases and 255,000 deaths, makes up the largest share of global coronavirus cases. 
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54 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

So if Trump becomes the media kingmaker many are thinking (he'll try at least0 this is what our American friends have to look forward to:

 

 

YUK! no way

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3 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

I know things are bad down in the states but I didn't expect an entire part of Michigan to secede and join Canada :o

 

Fox News’ Sean Hannity Highlights Part Of Michigan As Being In Canada

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/fox-news-michigan-canada_ca_5fb854d2c5b67493dd367a0b

 

 

Proof that it doesn’t take brains to do Hannity’s job. Just have to be willing to stick your head up the proper channel and leave it there for extended periods. 

 

 

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Just now, PistolPete13 said:

Proof that it doesn’t take brains to do Hannity’s job. Just have to be willing to stick your head up the proper channel and leave it there for extended periods. 

 

 

Hannity is great at that, well that and painting houses which is what he did before he become a “journalist”

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Just now, CBH1926 said:

Hannity is great at that, well that and painting houses which is what he did before he become a “journalist”

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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, Canadians or Dual Citizens already own a significant majority of the real estate in Point Roberts.  COVID has made things pretty difficult there.

 

Andrew Scheer would’ve put a stop to that.  But it’s our fault for not electing him.  He really hates dual citizens.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

So if Trump becomes the media kingmaker many are thinking (he'll try at least0 this is what our American friends have to look forward to:

 

 

Never liked Chaci, now I know why.

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This site says Rudi crossed a line lawyers should never cross. It seems he lied about his credentials, and about the case, to a judge while in court.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-take-away-trump-personal-attorney-rudy-giulianis-law-license

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When Rudy Giuliani launched into his usual bombastic conspiracy theories this week, it wasn’t in a tweet or at a press conference next door to a porn shop or on Fox News but in a federal courtroom, where he was appearing as Donald Trump’s attorney and where he lied to a judge. There need to be consequences.

All lawyer jokes aside, legal ethics are a big deal, not least because they are indispensable to a functioning court system. If lawyers can lie without consequence, making up facts whenever they want, then our trials and hearings will become farces.

And that’s exactly what happened in Pennsylvania on Monday, as Rudy talked about everything from Rahm Emanuel’s theory of crisis management to President Carter’s “prophetic” warnings about mail-in voter fraud and a tirade against supposed “mafia-like” behavior by Philadelphia election officials—none of it related to the legal case he was supposed to be making.

The painful monologue screeched to a halt whenever Rudy hit the guardrails of judicial questioning. Asked the most important question in nearly any election lawsuit, what standard of review should apply, he was caught completely off guard. For non-lawyers, it’s hard to explain just how appalling this is. Standard of review is the sort of thing that every first-year law student learns. But rather than agreeing with the judge that the case demanded “strict scrutiny,” or arguing that it called for rational basis review, he simply advocated for “the normal one.” If legal Twitter had a voice in that moment, the scream would have been heard around the world.

But the responses got even worse on difficult legal questions. Take his answers on standing, the doctrine that determines whether your case should be heard in federal court. It’s one of the most confounding areas of American law, but not to Rudy, who proclaimed “I went to law school… I thought it was a simple test.” It’s not.

All of this was bad lawyering, but it wasn’t unethical. But what Rudy did next crossed a line: he lied. He didn’t spin, argue, or put his best take on the evidence, he flat-out lied to a judge in open court. For that, he should lose his law license.

Actually, Rudy’s first lie came before he ever set foot in the Pennsylvania courthouse. On Tuesday morning, Rudy petitioned to represent the Trump campaign, which is a routine step for lawyers appearing out of state. If you aren’t licensed to practice in a court, you have to request permission to argue. Sadly, Rudy couldn’t complete this two-page form without committing perjury. Rudy claimed to be licensed in the District of Columbia, where in fact he’s currently suspended for not paying his dues.

This is a big deal. Getting suspended from the bar for non-payment is bad, but making a false statement about it is much worse. And if anyone should know better, it would be the former prosecutor who put people behind bars for these sorts of misstatements, whether it was lying to an FBI agent or perjury in court.

But lying about his own credentials was the prelude to the real fireworks: Rudy’s lies, unsupported by any facts he introduced to the court, about the election itself. Among other lies, Rudy claimed that hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvania ballots were counted without Republican observers. False. He claimed over one million votes were cast illegally in Pennsylvania. False. And he even said “they” (presumably President-elect Biden and his campaign) “stole” the election through widespread, national voter fraud. False.

We’ve all been inundated with this sort of noxious disinformation, and it’s easy to get desensitized to public officials and their representatives openly lying about our election. But those lies take on new power and pose new dangers when they’re offered in court.

Many of Trump’s other lawyers have been careful to avoid crossing this line, knowing that it could cost them their law license. A week before Rudy appeared in court, Jonathan Goldstein was questioned about evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania and repeatedly gave the lawyerly dodge: “To my knowledge at present, no.” Goldstein was willing to bring a baseless lawsuit in court, he was willing to argue against the integrity of our elections, but he wasn’t willing to lie.

That’s why Tuesday night I sat down and filled out my first legal ethics complaint, asking New York’s Attorney Grievance Committee to investigate one Rudolph William Louis Giuliani. Maybe they’ll throw it in the trashcan, maybe they’ll take it seriously, but either way it’s time for the legal profession to respond.

We need to address not just Rudy, but the ways lawyers have engaged in unethical behavior throughout the Trump administration. If we want to claim we’ve an ethical profession, we have to live up to the standards we set for ourselves. As I wrote in my complaint:

“While I recognize that Mr. Giuliani is a senior member of the bar with a history of public service, his experience should require him to meet a higher standard, not excuse behavior that would be readily sanctioned in a more junior attorney. I urge you to show all New Yorkers that our ethical rules will be applied against all attorneys, even those who are powerful, prominent, and politically well connected.”

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29 minutes ago, gurn said:

Never liked Chaci, now I know why.

guy endorsed Romney in 2012.  Though I guess it’s because he didn’t want a black man be President.

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1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

guy endorsed Romney in 2012.  Though I guess it’s because he didn’t want a black man be President.

Would love to see the Republicans have a black candidate; they would have no chance of winning but I would love to see the mental gymnastics required from the Trumpets.

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