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15 minutes ago, Fear not said:

Trump is a free market capitalist which is the furthest thing from a fascist. Look up capitalist in the dictionary and you'll see his picture staring back at you

His tariffs say otherwise. Bernie Sanders is arguably more right-leaning on trade than Trump is. 

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2 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

His tariffs say otherwise. Bernie Sanders is arguably more right-leaning on trade than Trump is. 

The US manufacturers who capitilize on said tariffs say otherwise. Fascism is all about state control of the markets. Trump has been deregulating like a mad man.

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7 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

His tariffs say otherwise. Bernie Sanders is arguably more right-leaning on trade than Trump is. 

Sanders is a communist through and through. There's no argument to be had

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29 minutes ago, Fear not said:

Trump is a free market capitalist which is the furthest thing from a fascist. Look up capitalist in the dictionary and you'll see his picture staring back at you

Look up neo-Nazi in the dictionary and you'll see the Bigot in Chief's picture staring right back at you. 

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6 minutes ago, Fear not said:

Sanders is a communist through and through. There's no argument to be had

Sanders would be a centrist in a civilized country.

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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Look up neo-Nazi in the dictionary and you'll see the Bigot in Chief's picture staring right back at you. 

Nazi's were socialists. Trump is a capitalist

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2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Sanders would be a centrist in a civilized country.

But in America he's a communist

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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

I said civilized.

Got ya. I agree BLM and antiifa are completely uncivilized. So let's hope they disappear. Can we agree?

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3 minutes ago, Fear not said:

Got ya. I agree BLM and antiifa are completely uncivilized. So let's hope they disappear. Can we agree?

Agree to disagree.  Personally I consider being against facism and racism to be a good thing.

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50 minutes ago, Fear not said:

Trump is a free market capitalist which is the furthest thing from a fascist. Look up capitalist in the dictionary and you'll see his picture staring back at you

Would you like to go with authoritarian or dictatorial instead? Whatever you'd like to coin a man trying everything to disenfranchise voters, seed doubt, and throw the elections into disarray. 

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3 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Would you like to go with authoritarian or dictatorial instead? Whatever you'd like to coin a man trying everything to disenfranchise voters, seed doubt, and throw the elections into disarray. 

No

 

Trumps supporters aren't disenfranchised at all. It's the Left that has completely become unhinged

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21 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Agree to disagree.  Personally I consider being against facism and racism to be a good thing.

I'm against both as well. I think the disconnect here is that the left is fighting a ghost. Trump and his supporters are not the fascists that the left claim them to be. The BLM founders have publically stated that they are trained Marxists. Fascism is a left wing ideology. Fascism was Mussolini's version of Marxism. So antiifa are really just fighting themselves and BLM. 

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1 hour ago, Fear not said:

Nazi's were socialists. Trump is a capitalist

Neo-Nazi’s however are not socialists. 
 

Trump is a racist and a fascist. 
 

 

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7 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Trump states he will not accept a peaceful transfer of power.  Cites the need to nominate a new supreme court justice to ensure election goes his way

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/23/us/trump-vs-biden

 

Trump Refuses to Commit to ‘A Peaceful Transfer of All Power’ After Election

 

President Trump, during a news conference at the White House Wednesday evening, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the November election.

Asked by a reporter whether he would “commit here today for a peaceful transfer of all power after the election,” noting the violence that has arisen in some cities, Mr. Trump demurred. “We’re going to have to see what happens,” he said. “You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster.”

“We want to get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation,” he added. “The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anyone else.”

It was the latest attack on mail-in voting by Mr. Trump, who has made unfounded claims that voting by absentee ballot is rife with fraud.

Can this guy not string a bloody sentence together without stopping and changing half way through?

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7 hours ago, Fear not said:

No

 

Trumps supporters aren't disenfranchised at all. It's the Left that has completely become unhinged

Nah it’s both.

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FYI Nazi's weren't socialist.  It's common for political parties to use words that people associate with something else to help gain power/mask their real intent.

7 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

Neo-Nazi’s however are not socialists. 
 

Trump is a racist and a fascist
 

 

The fact that people are able to go on the internet and say anything they want about him proves this wrong.

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Barton Gellman of The Atlantic has written an eye-opening and frankly, frightening article about the possibilities for trump to contest the election results if he loses. According to his research, Republican efforts are already underway and one of the scariest ploys they're considering is listed below.

 

The article is quite long, but it outlines the laundry list of election fixing efforts of the Trump administration and I highly recommend you spend the 10 minutes or so it takes to read the entire article.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/
 

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We are accustomed to choosing electors by popular vote, but nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way. Article II provides that each state shall appoint electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.” Since the late 19th century, every state has ceded the decision to its voters. Even so, the Supreme Court affirmed in Bush v. Gore that a state “can take back the power to appoint electors.” How and when a state might do so has not been tested for well over a century.

Trump may test this. According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.

To a modern democratic sensibility, discarding the popular vote for partisan gain looks uncomfortably like a coup, whatever license may be found for it in law. Would Republicans find that position disturbing enough to resist? Would they cede the election before resorting to such a ploy? Trump’s base would exact a high price for that betrayal, and by this point party officials would be invested in a narrative of fraud.

The Trump-campaign legal adviser I spoke with told me the push to appoint electors would be framed in terms of protecting the people’s will. Once committed to the position that the overtime count has been rigged, the adviser said, state lawmakers will want to judge for themselves what the voters intended.

“The state legislatures will say, ‘All right, we’ve been given this constitutional power. We don’t think the results of our own state are accurate, so here’s our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state,’ ” the adviser said. Democrats, he added, have exposed themselves to this stratagem by creating the conditions for a lengthy overtime.

 

In a nutshell, the bolded means that state legislators can legally ignore the wishes of their voters and choose whomever they want, under the guise of "protecting against fraud". (The seeds of which, Trump has been sowing for months)

 

All of the battleground states have Republican majority control, so if those legislators possess the same lack of integrity displayed by Trump and virtually every Republican Senator, they can perform what amounts to a bloodless coup.

 

Of course, it's unlikely to remain bloodless, should such a cynical ploy be employed. However, if you think that would bother Donald Trump, you haven't been paying attention for the past four years.

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10 hours ago, Fear not said:

Nazi's were socialists. Trump is a capitalist

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