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1 minute ago, Zfetch said:

You don't get to make that statement as you refuse to release your taxes, by the terms of the CRA you have in fact potentially committed Tax fraud and evasion but as of this moment you are free from investigation at the federal level.  Which is why you are fighting at the CDC level to keep your records sealed

 

See how silly it is to make these assumptions based off news articles and your opinion of him "hiding" his returns === him guilty of tax "evasion". 

First of all, do you program in Javascript? (=== is often used in Javascript as a replacement for == and poor programming language decisions in general).

 

Second of all, Warhippy doesn't have the money to corrupt organizations in order to just make the CRA "go away".

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45 minutes ago, Zfetch said:

Why do you assume he's "hiding" his tax returns. There's absolutely no reason for him to make those publically available other than for the media to make another article. Do you want to post your tax returns for us to see here? The IRS will handle that side of his finances.

there's an easy way to put it all to rest wouldn't you agree?

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I hate to deflect the conversation away from Tax Terminology 101 with Professor Zfetch, but I'd just like to say, "fire this guy".....

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/miami-officer-facing-discipline-for-wearing-trump-mask-at-voting-site/ar-BB1agB86?li=AAggFp5
 

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A Miami police officer has been accused of intimidating voters at an early polling place, where he was pictured in uniform wearing a Trump 2020 face mask. The Miami police chief and mayor both called the officer's actions "unacceptable," and the officer faces disciplinary action.

Steve Simeonidis, the chairman of the Miami-Dade Democrats, tweeted a photo of the officer on Tuesday as he was at a polling place inside the Stephen P. Clark Government Center in Miami. The photo shows the officer in full uniform — including his badge and gun — wearing a coronavirus face mask that appears to say "No more bullsh**" underneath the "Trump 2020" logo.

Simeonidis called the incident "city-funded voter intimidation," and said the officer should be suspended immediately.

 

 

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https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/10/21/vote-for-trump-or-else-feds-review-threatening-emails-sent-to-florida-voters-1328913

 

'Vote for Trump or else!': Feds review threatening emails sent to Florida voters

 

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TALLAHASSEE — Florida elections officials in at least five counties have turned over hundreds of emails to the FBI that pressure voters to support President Donald Trump just as in-person early voting began this week in the pivotal swing state.

The emails, which appear to be sent to registered Democrats, press recipients to "Vote for Trump or else!" and warn that they have gained access to the “entire voting infrastructure" to know if people vote for Trump or Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

 

“You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you,” the email reads. “Change your party affiliation to Republican to let us know you received our message and will comply.”

Local officials in five Florida counties told POLITICO they have turned the emails over to the FBI, which declined to offer specifics.

"Though the FBI’s standard practice is to neither confirm nor deny any investigation, we take all election-related threats seriously whether it is vote fraud, voter suppression, or threats from cyber or foreign influence actors," an FBI spokesperson said in a statement. "The FBI Jacksonville Division is committed to supporting our election security partners throughout the state of Florida, and protecting our communities as Americans exercise their right to vote."

A voter's party registration is generally a matter of public record, but not who they voted for in specific elections. But the emails heighten the tensions in a state widely seen as central to Trump's reelection efforts and where both campaigns are blanketing voters with ads and rallies. Between vote by mail, which has been in full swing for weeks, and early voting, more than 4 million Floridians have already cast ballots.

The emails were sent from "info@officialproudboys.com," an apparent attempt to make it look like they originated from the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group that supports Trump. The group got international exposure during the first presidential debate when Trump told the organization to “stand back and stand by” when asked to repudiate them.

Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio Jr. said the group is not behind the voter intimidation tactic, and he thinks it’s likely a group trying to use their brand to get attention.

“It’s pretty obvious whoever is doing this is not a big fan of ours,” he said in an interview. “It just reads, like, ‘hello, this is the Proud Boys and we are committing a f---ing felony.’ It’s just not something we would do.”

He scoffed at the messaging in the emails, noting that it told people to change their voter registration. The voter registration deadline was Oct. 5.

“We would not be that sloppy,” he said.

Trump’s Florida campaign did not return a request seeking comment about the emails threatening people who do not vote for the president.

It’s not yet clear who is behind the emails, but Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said an initial investigation in his county indicates at least some are coming from outside the United States.

“The investigation to date has determined the emails originated from outside the continental United States and are not considered a valid threat, but were sent with a morally corrupt agenda,” he said in a statement.

Jesse Littlewood, who heads up the disinformation tracking and removal for the Election Protection coalition, said the emails look like a “ham-fisted hoax” designed to get attention.

“It looks to me like some trial balloon to hack the media cycle,” he said. “A lot of people are now talking about this. My sense is that’s the goal.”

The emails, first reported by the Miami Herald, came to light Tuesday after voters in the Democratic stronghold of Alachua County flagged the threats, including messages sent to 183 people associated with the University of Florida, which is located in the county.

UF spokesperson Steve Orlando said their initial probe has determined that the email made to look like a Proud Boys account was likely fake.

“The address was forged and did not come from info@officialproudboys.com,” he said. University IT “immediately alerted [campus police], blocked the email, and removed it from UF’s mailboxes.”

Alachua County Supervisor of Elections spokesperson T.J. Pyche said Wednesday that officials now estimate “hundreds of folks received messages.”

Along with Brevard and Alachua counties, similar emails have been sent to voters in Collier, Escambia, and Citrus Counties, each of which is overwhelmingly Republican-leaning. Florida’s more populated counties, such as Duval, Hillsborough and Miami-Dade Counties, are not yet reporting any email threats, according to election officials in those counties.

Florida Secretary of State Laurel Lee, the state’s top elections official, did not return requests seeking comment about the voter intimidation emails. Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody’s office says her office received one complaint and forwarded it to the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, said the emails attributed to the Proud Boys could be the start of a disinformation campaign that could run through Election Day. Noting news stories that linked the emails to servers located in Estonia, he said it appeared to be a disinformation effort potentially from foreign adversaries.

“We’re going to see a lot more of this and we might see other low-hanging fruit targeted,” said Becker, who predicted there may be efforts to bring down websites and launch denial of service attacks. He said the point is to “try to fuel a narrative that something is wrong with our system.”

The Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, which focuses on election integrity efforts, says its hotline has received roughly 3,000 calls from Florida since Tuesday morning, but not all were related to the purported Proud Boys emails. They have received “more than two dozen” calls about those emails from both Florida and Alaska.

Kristen Clarke, the group’s president and executive director, said similar emails have popped up in a handful of other states, including swing states like Pennsylvania and Arizona, but none like Florida.

“The lion’s share of complaints we have heard related to this are from Florida,” she said. “We are continuing to try and pull back the veil on who is behind this scheme to make voters feel that they are not able to freely cast a ballot.”

“We are not turning a blind eye to this,” she said.

 

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14 minutes ago, Zfetch said:

You don't get to make that statement as you refuse to release your taxes, by the terms of the CRA you have in fact potentially committed Tax fraud and evasion but as of this moment you are free from investigation at the federal level.  Which is why you are fighting at the CDC level to keep your records sealed

 

See how silly it is to make these assumptions based off news articles and your opinion of him "hiding" his returns === him guilty of tax "evasion". 

I'll release them AFTER my audit

 

See how stupid that sounds?  As well as an accountant you should know that my refusal to release my taxes to some schmo on a hockey forum is not illegal, nor is it evasive as CRA can requisition those records any time they want.

 

But then an investigative team at the provincial level didn't get their hands on my taxes and find numerous potential issues with debt, evasion, bankruptcy and outright questionable issues on all counts so... I'll release them after my audit.

 

Again, why are you holding me, some random to a higher level of accountability than the US president?

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6 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

Funny how the Proud Boys don’t say they wouldn’t issue threats or intimidate voters, just that they wouldn’t be that “sloppy” and “ham-fisted” about it.

 

I agree this is likely a hoax, however.

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8 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

FWIW, I believe the Proud Boys when they say that this was an attempt to "frame" them, (and a poor one at that. Almost Rudy Giuliani-esque) but I had to chuckle at the line "we would not be so sloppy"....

 

...That's right folks, the Proud Boys are professionals when it comes to voter intimidation.....:rolleyes:

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

FWIW, I believe the Proud Boys when they say that this was an attempt to "frame" them, (and a poor one at that. Almost Rudy Giuliani-esque) but I had to chuckle at the line "we would not be so sloppy"....

 

...That's right folks, the Proud Boys are professionals when it comes to voter intimidation.....:rolleyes:

That stood out to me as well. Plus it's from a foreign locale so Russia based move. 

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1 hour ago, Zfetch said:

No but accounting is my field and I know the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion :lol:

Canadian and US taxation is my field.

 I too know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. 
I also know better than to presume that I can identify what has taken place without knowing all of the facts of each particular case.

 

Sorry to one up you bean-counter. ::D

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2 hours ago, Zfetch said:

I don't tend to voice a political opinion. I'm just here to get the facts straight with regards to tax, something I'd actually know what I'm talking about. I don't know politics. Not here to pick a side. Not qualified enough to give a legitimate assertion for either party.

Let's say your someone is accused of tax evasion by someone. Do you just ignore it without evidence, or do you investigate it to see if it's plausible?...

 

Or is that going to depend on if it's your friend being accused or not....

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3 hours ago, Zfetch said:

No but accounting is my field and I know the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion 

 Just curious. If Trump walked into your office and asked you to work on the year end for a small company that he owned, would you accept the engagement?

 

If not, why not?

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2 hours ago, Zfetch said:

No but accounting is my field and I know the difference between tax avoidance and tax 

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2 hours ago, surtur said:

Didn't he say he wont campaign for 4 days from Sunday around noon until the debate Thursday night. that is 4 days. not 4 days prior to the post. 

That’s what WHL Rocks said, and you were trying to correct my response to him.

 

But do go on.

 

The fact bending from the dear leader has been non stop for the past four years..

I would expect nothing less from the true believers

 

Here’s a little brain teaser for you.
 

How many former Presidents are campaigning on behalf of Trump?


And for Biden?

Now take the answer to this second question and subtract the number of former Presidents that have been living rent free inside Trump’s head.

 

The answer is zero. True or False?

 

Thought you’d enjoy that because you enjoy playing games. 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Zfetch said:

Walk it like you talk it.

 

Post your tax returns from 2009-current

Of course....  because @Warhippy’ s tax returns have any bearing on the National Security concerns of the US if not the entire planet... or, how Hippy has SIGNIFICANT financial international debt, and conflict of interests, owed to the most most prominent dictators in the world...

 

Cause that sounds like a streamline in logic... 
 

 

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1 hour ago, PistolPete13 said:

Canadian and US taxation is my field.

 I too know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. 
I also know better than to presume that I can identify what has taken place without knowing all of the facts of each particular case.

 

Sorry to one up you bean-counter. ::D

Mine too, and I tried to get curious George to clarify few things for me but thus far nothing.

He is too busy playing with a man in a yellow hat.

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Here is the old Rudy with his hand in his pants.

Now the old Rudy tweeted “I was just tucking my shirt in”

I don’t know about you guys, but I have never laid down on the bed to tuck my shirt in, standing up yes.
Looks like the old geezer was going to whip his junk out!

 

 

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10 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Here is the old Rudy with his hand in his pants.

Now the old Rudy tweeted “I was just tucking my shirt in”

I don’t know about you guys, but I have never laid down on the bed to tuck my shirt in, standing up yes.
Looks like the old geezer was going to whip his junk out!

 

 

I was just thinking how I felt like we glossed over this a bit a couple pages back. This is incredible stuff. If I’m not mistaken, he believed her to be FIFTEEN years old! 
 

 

When’s Q-Anon outing Rudy?

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1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said:

I was just thinking how I felt like we glossed over this a bit a couple pages back. This is incredible stuff. If I’m not mistaken, he believed her to be FIFTEEN years old! 
 

 

When’s Q-Anon outing Rudy?

This is what I was wondering. Did Rudy know or believe her to be 15 or is it disclosed when Borat comes in? I only ask as that would mean a world of difference legally I would think.

 

nothing would surprise me with him

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10 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

This is what I was wondering. Did Rudy know or believe her to be 15 or is it disclosed when Borat comes in? I only ask as that would mean a work of difference legally I would think.

 

nothing would surprise me with him

Your last sentence is what makes it tough to say. He’s come more than a little unhinged. 
 

 

From what I took from the article, Rudy was of the belief she was 15 until Borat runs in and says “She’s fifteen! She’s too old for you!”

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