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1 hour ago, canuckster19 said:

Why is personality more important than policy? Seems like a red herring deflection. If that's the case than this thread might as well be closed if people aren't actually going to talk politics and just piss on whoever because they don't like them.

 

Should I find one of the millions of quotes when people in this thread try to call out Trump supporters when he did some dumb s---? People who created the unwritten rules of this thread need to live by them and not whine when it gets thrown in their faces.

 

If I have a problem it's because I knew this would happen, I said it would happen and people on their high horse with rose smelling manure didn't want to hear it. Now here's the truth plain as day and people have their heads in the sand, and say things like ah, at least he's not Trump, what a weak a-- crutch of an excuse.

 

The funny part is, people will think I'm a Trump supporter for saying this because their world is so black and white, zebras everywhere.

Buddy your actual words were " same s different colour".

 

The difference between  trumps and the repugnicants s versus the Dems s is vast

 

If you have you read my posts in this thread you will be cognizant with the fact I hold most politicians in contempt however there are some on the democratic side that actually want to help the American people.

 

Nothing in this world is black or white,even good and bad are subjective things,however to try and compare the repugs to the Dems is ludicrous.

 

Take the example of the repugs state legislatures trying to suppress the voting rights of Americans while at a federal level the Dems are trying to strengthen those rights.

I could go on but the list is endless.

 

As I have always stated it is a choice between a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

I believe the Dems will actually help the American people far more than the repugs ever will.

 

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21 hours ago, Ilunga said:

What really pisses me off is the United States adminstration attitude towards Saudi Arabia and in particular MBS,while at the same time demonizing Iran.

 

15 of the 19 terrorist's involved in the 9/11 bombing were Saudis,their war crimes in Yemen which has led to the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet.

The treatment of women in their society.

 

But hey we sell them weapons so let's just posture a bit.

 

KSA regime is one of the most abhorrent ones out there.

Besides what you mentioned they are the biggest exporter of extremist beliefs and funding of radical madrasas in the world.

The fact that U.S, Canada, Europe, Israel etc. do business with them and sell them the weapons is disgusting!

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11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

This relationship originates from the time FDR secretly met King abdul aziz ibn saud in 1945.

Apparently he was trying to convince the king to accept 10.000 Israelis in Palestine which went against his promise to Churchill that he would not interfere because GB controlled Palestine.

 

He also wanted to obtain access to Saudi oil for America.

 

The day when black gold was discovered in the desert and Aramco was formed was not a good day for humanity and human rights.

Western greed and medieval mindset are bad combo.

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1 hour ago, CBH1926 said:

The day when black gold was discovered in the desert and Aramco was formed was not a good day for humanity and human rights.

Western greed and medieval mindset are bad combo.

How did American oil end up under  Saudi sand?

How different the world would be, if enough oil had been found faster in the U.S.

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1 minute ago, gurn said:

How did American oil end up under  Saudi sand?

How different the world would be, if enough oil had been found faster in the U.S.

They would have used most of it up already and would be getting ready to invade us to get our oil.

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7 hours ago, canuckster19 said:

LOL that the dem koolaid drinkers on here thought anything was going to change, same s different colour.

I'll give you an example.   Not one GOP member voted for the recent covid relief bill.  All but 2 Democrats did.  The bill that would give American Janes and Joes money.   

 

The recent Senate vote for increasing the minimum wage saw all the GOP members and 8 Dems vote against it.

 

Two examples where there are majorities of Democrats trying to help Americans vs. the entire GOP against it.  

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27 minutes ago, gurn said:

How did American oil end up under  Saudi sand?

How different the world would be, if enough oil had been found faster in the U.S.

That is a good question.

KSA certainly changed from a place where Bedouins engaged in tribal fighting and almost no infrastructure to basically still the same mentality but on steroids. Like Beverly hillbillies.

 

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16 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kyrsten-sinema-tweet-calling-minimum-wage-raise-no-brainer-resurfaces-after-no-vote-1574181

Kyrsten Sinema Tweet Calling Minimum Wage Raise 'No-Brainer' Resurfaces After No Vote

The Minimum wage thing is a setback. The objection was putting it in with the Covid bill and is absolutely (and will be, IMHO) revisited after the relief bill is passed.

 

The real problem the Dems face is people like Sinema and Manchin. Two Senators fro traditionally Red states who feel like they have to vote like Republicans, even though they were elected as Democrats. With zero room for dissent in the Senate, it will be almost impossible to get legislation through that chamber. The idea that moderate Republicans like Murkowski, Collins and Romney will side with the Democrats is wishful thinking, IMO.

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8 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

The Minimum wage thing is a setback. The objection was putting it in with the Covid bill and is absolutely (and will be, IMHO) revisited after the relief bill is passed.

 

The real problem the Dems face is people like Sinema and Manchin. Two Senators fro traditionally Red states who feel like they have to vote like Republicans, even though they were elected as Democrats. With zero room for dissent in the Senate, it will be almost impossible to get legislation through that chamber. The idea that moderate Republicans like Murkowski, Collins and Romney will side with the Democrats is wishful thinking, IMO.

Putting it in the Covid bill was the one chance at $15/hr.  I’m sure it will be revisited but it will be at a significantly lower rate, just pulling numbers out of my ass but say $9.50/hr phased in over 32 years. I think it winds up being some token that is no more a liveable wage than what it is now. Because of Manchin, Sinema and the other 4 dems who voted against it the republicans will drag it out until the mid-terms when voters will rightly question the dems about living up to their promises. Sinema’s “no brainer” tweet and then voting against it will just be more ammo for the right.

 

You’re right about wishing for moderate Republicans to side with the Democrats being wishful thinking and that’s why they had to get it done now with or without them. Pisses me off that they let an unelected official, who they simply had to override, decide that it couldn’t be in the relief bill. Not a good showing of strength and leadership in my opinion.

 


 

 

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3 hours ago, 4petesake said:

Putting it in the Covid bill was the one chance at $15/hr.  I’m sure it will be revisited but it will be at a significantly lower rate, just pulling numbers out of my ass but say $9.50/hr phased in over 32 years. I think it winds up being some token that is no more a liveable wage than what it is now. Because of Manchin, Sinema and the other 4 dems who voted against it the republicans will drag it out until the mid-terms when voters will rightly question the dems about living up to their promises. Sinema’s “no brainer” tweet and then voting against it will just be more ammo for the right.

 

You’re right about wishing for moderate Republicans to side with the Democrats being wishful thinking and that’s why they had to get it done now with or without them. Pisses me off that they let an unelected official, who they simply had to override, decide that it couldn’t be in the relief bill. Not a good showing of strength and leadership in my opinion.

 


 

 

Why?

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17 minutes ago, Canorth said:

Why?

$2000 relief cheques and $15 minimum wage were things that they talked about quite a bit during the election. The relief cheques have been reduced to $1400 and no minimum wage now when a sizeable majority of Americans supported it. They need to show strength and live up to their promises.

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3 hours ago, 4petesake said:

Putting it in the Covid bill was the one chance at $15/hr.  I’m sure it will be revisited but it will be at a significantly lower rate, just pulling numbers out of my ass but say $9.50/hr phased in over 32 years. I think it winds up being some token that is no more a liveable wage than what it is now. Because of Manchin, Sinema and the other 4 dems who voted against it the republicans will drag it out until the mid-terms when voters will rightly question the dems about living up to their promises. Sinema’s “no brainer” tweet and then voting against it will just be more ammo for the right.

 

You’re right about wishing for moderate Republicans to side with the Democrats being wishful thinking and that’s why they had to get it done now with or without them. Pisses me off that they let an unelected official, who they simply had to override, decide that it couldn’t be in the relief bill. Not a good showing of strength and leadership in my opinion.

 

14 minutes ago, Canorth said:

Why?

I'm not so sure....

 

Sinema's little performance during the vote doesn't bode particularly well, but in politics, it's a game of give and take. IMO, it's entirely possible that an issue will come up near and dear to the hearts of Manchin, Sinema and other "moderate" Democrats and they might be willing to deal on minimum wage.

 

That being said, I hope you're wrong about $9.50 / hr. If that's the best they can do, they might as well pack it in. They control all three branches of the government, so I can't see them knocking over $5.00 off their target wage. I could see and agreement where it starts around $12.00 and is gradually increased to $15.00 over a period of time....

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9 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

 

I'm not so sure....

 

Sinema's little performance during the vote doesn't bode particularly well, but in politics, it's a game of give and take. IMO, it's entirely possible that an issue will come up near and dear to the hearts of Manchin, Sinema and other "moderate" Democrats and they might be willing to deal on minimum wage.

 

That being said, I hope you're wrong about $9.50 / hr. If that's the best they can do, they might as well pack it in. They control all three branches of the government, so I can't see them knocking over $5.00 off their target wage. I could see and agreement where it starts around $12.00 and is gradually increased to $15.00 over a period of time....

I hope I’m wrong too but this is when they should have acted boldly.

 

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This whole Democrats are like Republicans nonsense  reminds of one another comparison we can make.

Canadians fought in Vietnam, Afghanistan, helped U.S fight wars in Iraq and were involved in Libyan conflict.

Participated in English atrocities against Boers, tortured Somalis, killed off indigenous population, created residential schools, Chinese head tax etc. Based on that flawed logic Canada is like the U.S, no difference between the two. 

 

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