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6 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I'll give you an example.   Not one GOP member voted for the recent covid relief bill.  All but 2 Democrats did.  The bill that would give American Janes and Joes money.   

I haven't looked but I'd wager most of those GOP members couldn't vote fast enough for Wall Street bailout money.

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11 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

This whole Democrats are like Republicans nonsense  reminds of one another comparison we can make.

Canadians fought in Vietnam, Afghanistan, helped U.S fight wars in Iraq and were involved in Libyan conflict.

Participated in English atrocities against Boers, tortured Somalis, killed off indigenous population, created residential schools, Chinese head tax etc. Based on that flawed logic Canada is like the U.S, no difference between the two. 

 

"A state is the coldest of all monsters.Coldly lieth it also,and this lie creepeth from its mouth, I the state am the people".

 

Friedrich Nietzsche

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31 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

$2000 relief cheques and $15 minimum wage were things that they talked about quite a bit during the election. The relief cheques have been reduced to $1400 and no minimum wage now when a sizeable majority of Americans supported it. They need to show strength and live up to their promises.

I guess I was more curious as to why you thought that this would be the last chance for a min/wage increase. The priority is, and should be, on the stimulus package. Sure, a wage hike will have significant returns. But, the priority has to be immediate relief for the struggling people. 
 

I just don’t agree that this is dead in the water. Not yet, anyways


edit; Dems have only been in control for a month and a half. Don’t even have a full cabinet confirmed yet. Perspective.

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12 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I haven't looked but I'd wager most of those GOP members couldn't vote fast enough for Wall Street bailout money.

Fastest buzzers in jeopardy.

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53 minutes ago, Canorth said:

I guess I was more curious as to why you thought that this would be the last chance for a min/wage increase. The priority is, and should be, on the stimulus package. Sure, a wage hike will have significant returns. But, the priority has to be immediate relief for the struggling people. 
 

I just don’t agree that this is dead in the water. Not yet, anyways


edit; Dems have only been in control for a month and a half. Don’t even have a full cabinet confirmed yet. Perspective.

Oh, sorry I misread the question. No I shouldn’t have said “one chance”, I should have said best chance. FWIW I don’t think it’s dead in the water either but they had an opportunity to fulfill a campaign promise and they got in their own way. My suspicion is that they will eventually get something passed that will be dictated by moderate Democrats and Republicans that will be huge compromise from $15 and the progressives will be sidelined. 
 

...the idea of raising the minimum wage to $15 by 2025 from its current $7.25 is broadly popular, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found. Some 59% of respondents said they supported the idea, with 34% opposing it.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Canorth said:

Why?

I think it had to do with reconciliation.  They are limited to one per year, and the Covid bill was using it, which means a simple majority in the Senate for it to pass.  TRUMP used it for his tax cuts, for example.  

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4 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

This whole Democrats are like Republicans nonsense  reminds of one another comparison we can make.

Canadians fought in Vietnam, Afghanistan, helped U.S fight wars in Iraq and were involved in Libyan conflict.

Participated in English atrocities against Boers, tortured Somalis, killed off indigenous population, created residential schools, Chinese head tax etc. Based on that flawed logic Canada is like the U.S, no difference between the two. 

 

Canada has never been a major power like the US and so we can't do major damage.  Had we been a major power, would we have done any better than the US?  Based on what you've listed above, maybe not.

 

As far as the Democrats are like Republicans "nonsense" goes, I think there are differences between the two.   But both parties have been in power over the last forty years, forty years which have seen the rich get massively richer, the middle class being squeezed, no universal health care plan implemented, wages (including the minimum wage) stagnating, infrastructure deteriorating, the military budget bloating etc.

 

Generally, I'm inclined to agree with Bernie - both parties are under the control of the rich and corporate class.

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2 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

Canada has never been a major power like the US and so we can't do major damage.  Had we been a major power, would we have done any better than the US?  Based on what you've listed above, maybe not.

 

As far as the Democrats are like Republicans "nonsense" goes, I think there are differences between the two.   But both parties have been in power over the last forty years, forty years which have seen the rich get massively richer, the middle class being squeezed, no universal health care plan implemented, wages (including the minimum wage) stagnating, infrastructure deteriorating, the military budget bloating etc.

 

Generally, I'm inclined to agree with Bernie - both parties are under the control of the rich and corporate class.

I am kind of surprised by this statement as an European, because I always perceived the Canadians as having higher standards when it comes to ethical values than your neighbours south of the border. Former U.S. presidents and governments tended to solve political issues like in Iraq with sanctions (against Iran) and war (against Iraq). From my perception of canadian politicians I would have expected that they solve political issues by having a dialogue and or negotiations and not by sanctions or war. But this is only my personal view from the outside. I might be wrong.

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8 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

I am kind of surprised by this statement as an European, because I always perceived the Canadians as having higher standards when it comes to ethical values than your neighbours south of the border. Former U.S. presidents and governments tended to solve political issues like in Iraq with sanctions (against Iran) and war (against Iraq). From my perception of canadian politicians I would have expected that they solve political issues by having a dialogue and or negotiations and not by sanctions or war. But this is only my personal view from the outside. I might be wrong.

Might be because we arent strong enough to muscle through any issue like the usa can. We have to be diplomatic whenever possible.

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11 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

Canada has never been a major power like the US and so we can't do major damage.  Had we been a major power, would we have done any better than the US?  Based on what you've listed above, maybe not.

 

As far as the Democrats are like Republicans "nonsense" goes, I think there are differences between the two.   But both parties have been in power over the last forty years, forty years which have seen the rich get massively richer, the middle class being squeezed, no universal health care plan implemented, wages (including the minimum wage) stagnating, infrastructure deteriorating, the military budget bloating etc.

 

Generally, I'm inclined to agree with Bernie - both parties are under the control of the rich and corporate class.

For the most parts Republicans have been blocking lot of things you mentioned.

Minimum wage hike to $15

Opposition to 1933 banking act/Glass Steagal

Opposition to the New Deal

Under Reagan mental hospitals were basically emptied out.
Failed war on drugs started under Nixon and intensified under Reagan.

Ban on federal funding to CDC to study effects of gun ownership on overall gun crime rates

Opposition to Obama care

Denial of coverage based on pre existing conditions.

Blocking gun legislations

 

I can go on and on about these things but also Great Depression took place under Hoover who was a Republican.

Great recession took place under Bush as well as Iraq invasion that has destabilized Middle East and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Although many presidents were involved in Vietnam, most died during Nixon’s term who was a Republican and he sent half a million troops to Vietnam. Iran Contra and funneling weapons to Mujahideen's which came back to haunt us in 2001 was under Reagan. War in Afghanistan under Bush has failed. Watergate and Russia collusion was under Republican Presidents.


While it’s true that many politicians are under control of various lobbyists in Washington.

GOP has been firmly controlled by Industrial military complex, NRA, Oil companies, insurance companies.

Back in 1930s Hoover talked about how banking regulations, securities act, monetary regulations, public works, infrastructure projects etc. are ushering socialism to the U.S. Fast forward to 2020 and these the same talking points that Jones, Trump, Breitbart, Pundit, Carlson, Hannity etc. use.

 

 

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4 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

For the most parts Republicans have been blocking lot of things you mentioned.

Minimum wage hike to $15

Opposition to 1933 banking act/Glass Steagal

Opposition to the New Deal

Under Reagan mental hospitals were basically emptied out.
Failed war on drugs started under Nixon and intensified under Reagan.

Ban on federal funding to CDC to study effects of gun ownership on overall gun crime rates

Opposition to Obama care

Denial of coverage based on pre existing conditions.

Blocking gun legislations

 

I can go on and on about these things but also Great Depression took place under Hoover who was a Republican.

Great recession took place under Bush as well as Iraq invasion that has destabilized Middle East and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Although many presidents were involved in Vietnam, most died during Nixon’s term who was a Republican and he sent half a million troops to Vietnam. Iran Contra and funneling weapons to Mujahideen's which came back to haunt us in 2001 was under Reagan. War in Afghanistan under Bush has failed. Watergate and Russia collusion was under Republican Presidents.


While it’s true that many politicians are under control of various lobbyists in Washington.

GOP has been firmly controlled by Industrial military complex, NRA, Oil companies, insurance companies.

Back in 1930s Hoover talked about how banking regulations, securities act, monetary regulations, public works, infrastructure projects etc. are ushering socialism to the U.S. Fast forward to 2020 and these the same talking points that Jones, Trump, Breitbart, Pundit, Carlson, Hannity etc. use.

 

 

Many good points there.

 

But a question:  The Republicans, when they are out of power, can seemingly block a lot things the Democrats want.  The Republicans. when they are in power, can seemingly pass a lot of their legislation that they want.   Why can't the Democrats do the same?  Why have the Democrats been so ineffective at preventing the rich from getting massively richer, preventing the middle class being squeezed, preventing the military budget from being bloated, preventing infrastructure from deteriorating, etc?

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1 hour ago, UnkNuk said:

Many good points there.

 

But a question:  The Republicans, when they are out of power, can seemingly block a lot things the Democrats want.  The Republicans. when they are in power, can seemingly pass a lot of their legislation that they want.   Why can't the Democrats do the same?  Why have the Democrats been so ineffective at preventing the rich from getting massively richer, preventing the middle class being squeezed, preventing the military budget from being bloated, preventing infrastructure from deteriorating, etc?

The lobbyist's pay their bills as well. That, and it would essentially be political suicide in the USA to say you are going to cut military spending, no matter the reason. They could pay for universal health care, cure cancer or solve world hunger with a 0.1% cut on military spending and the american voters would still oppose it.

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1 hour ago, UnkNuk said:

Many good points there.

 

But a question:  The Republicans, when they are out of power, can seemingly block a lot things the Democrats want.  The Republicans. when they are in power, can seemingly pass a lot of their legislation that they want.   Why can't the Democrats do the same?  Why have the Democrats been so ineffective at preventing the rich from getting massively richer, preventing the middle class being squeezed, preventing the military budget from being bloated, preventing infrastructure from deteriorating, etc?

Re[publicans tend to be more focused on fewer issues, while  the Democrats have a wider view point on more subjects.

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7 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

For the most parts Republicans have been blocking lot of things you mentioned.

Minimum wage hike to $15

Opposition to 1933 banking act/Glass Steagal

Opposition to the New Deal

Under Reagan mental hospitals were basically emptied out.
Failed war on drugs started under Nixon and intensified under Reagan.

Ban on federal funding to CDC to study effects of gun ownership on overall gun crime rates

Opposition to Obama care

Denial of coverage based on pre existing conditions.

Blocking gun legislations

 

I can go on and on about these things but also Great Depression took place under Hoover who was a Republican.

Great recession took place under Bush as well as Iraq invasion that has destabilized Middle East and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Although many presidents were involved in Vietnam, most died during Nixon’s term who was a Republican and he sent half a million troops to Vietnam. Iran Contra and funneling weapons to Mujahideen's which came back to haunt us in 2001 was under Reagan. War in Afghanistan under Bush has failed. Watergate and Russia collusion was under Republican Presidents.


While it’s true that many politicians are under control of various lobbyists in Washington.

GOP has been firmly controlled by Industrial military complex, NRA, Oil companies, insurance companies.

Back in 1930s Hoover talked about how banking regulations, securities act, monetary regulations, public works, infrastructure projects etc. are ushering socialism to the U.S. Fast forward to 2020 and these the same talking points that Jones, Trump, Breitbart, Pundit, Carlson, Hannity etc. use.

 

 

As I stated years ago on this board I will never forgive Clinton for repealing the Glass-Steagall act.

It was the major contributing factor to the GFC.

The Clintons were and are owned by the corporations.

 

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52 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

As I stated years ago on this board I will never forgive Clinton for repealing the Glass-Steagall act.

It was the major contributing factor to the GFC.

The Clintons were and are owned by the corporations.

 

Banking industry was clamoring for that repeal since 1980s.

Republicans Gramm, Leach and Bliley introduced the bill and while I agree with you that contributed to 2008 crisis.

 

It passed in Senate and the Congress with overwhelming support.

Even if Clinton vetoed it they had 90 out of 100 votes in Senate so they would have passed it anyways.

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3 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

Many good points there.

 

But a question:  The Republicans, when they are out of power, can seemingly block a lot things the Democrats want.  The Republicans. when they are in power, can seemingly pass a lot of their legislation that they want.   Why can't the Democrats do the same?  Why have the Democrats been so ineffective at preventing the rich from getting massively richer, preventing the middle class being squeezed, preventing the military budget from being bloated, preventing infrastructure from deteriorating, etc?

Republicans are masters of gerrymandering and redrawing maps to help them win.

Also in many battle ground states like Ohio, PA etc. Republicans voters earn much more money than the Democrats that are urban dwellers.

Majority of GOP voters are white and the United States has been dominated by the white folks.

 

Also Republicans exploit and stoke fear that helps them stay in power and govern.

Fear of government taking your weapons, fear of Muslims, communists, socialism, marauding blacks rioting and coming to suburbs to loot and rape, hordes from third world changing demographics, white replacement, NWO, population control through vaccination and media, fear of death panels if we get universal health coverage etc. Fear is very powerful motivator and GOP is not afraid to play dirty.


 

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6 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

Many good points there.

 

But a question:  The Republicans, when they are out of power, can seemingly block a lot things the Democrats want.  The Republicans. when they are in power, can seemingly pass a lot of their legislation that they want.   Why can't the Democrats do the same?  Why have the Democrats been so ineffective at preventing the rich from getting massively richer, preventing the middle class being squeezed, preventing the military budget from being bloated, preventing infrastructure from deteriorating, etc?

It might seem that way, but it's not really the case...

 

Think back of the 2016 campaign....Trump's two biggest promises were "Repeal and Replace" Obamacare and "Build the Wall"....

 

Even with all three branches of government, he wasn't able to get either of these done. In fact, the only major piece of legislation he was able to pass was a big tax cut....and let's face it, convincing rich politicians to cut taxes and make themselves and their friends even richer is like shooting fish in a barrel. Trump did manage to install 3 SCOTUS justices, but that was more about timing than it was savvy legislating.

 

The Dems' problem is that they have Representatives who serve in traditionally Red states and those people feel like they have to act as a buffer against what their constituents might consider "radical"....With zero room for dissent in the Senate, the Democrats have to walk a bit of a tightrope. The GOP didn't have to worry about that between 2016 and 2018, yet they still couldn't deliver on their two biggest promises.

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1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It might seem that way, but it's not really the case...

 

Think back of the 2016 campaign....Trump's two biggest promises were "Repeal and Replace" Obamacare and "Build the Wall"....

 

Even with all three branches of government, he wasn't able to get either of these done. In fact, the only major piece of legislation he was able to pass was a big tax cut....and let's face it, convincing rich politicians to cut taxes and make themselves and their friend richer, is like shooting fish in a barrel. Trump did manage to install 3 SCOTUS justices, but that was more about timing than it was savvy legislating.

 

The Dems' problem is that they have Representatives who serve in traditionally Red states and those people feel like they have to act as a buffer against what their constituents might consider "radical"....With zero room for dissent in the Senate, the Democrats have to walk a bit of a tightrope. The GOP didn't have to worry about that between 2016 and 2018, yet they still couldn't deliver on their two biggest promises.

Democrats for the most part are trying to cater to all Americans of different colors, nationalities, religions, income, sexual preference etc. With GOP turning into white grievances party, they even have less things to worry about.

 

Sure they don’t mind getting Cuban, Black or Indian votes but let’s face it.

GOP is party of whites, males, Christians, rural dwellers, anti immigration, America first, pro gun nuts etc.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Banking industry was clamoring for that repeal since 1980s.

Republicans Gramm, Leach and Bliley introduced the bill and while I agree with you that contributed to 2008 crisis.

 

It passed in Senate and the Congress with overwhelming support.

Even if Clinton vetoed it they had 90 out of 100 votes in Senate so they would have passed it anyways.

Brother the gramm-leach-bliley act passed 362-57 in the house and 90-8 in the senate.

If clinton truly did not want the bill to become law he could have symbolically vetoed it,but he did not.

 

A bunch of democrats and clinton himself sided with the banks.

 

Except for those who voted against,scumbags the lot of them IMO.

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1 minute ago, Ilunga said:

Brother the gramm-leach-bliley act passed 362-57 in the house and 90-8 in the senate.

If clinton truly did not want the bill to become law he could have symbolically vetoed it,but he did not.

 

A bunch of democrats and clinton himself sided with the banks.

 

Except for those who voted against,scumbags the lot of them IMO.

I can’t disagree with the bolded sentence, I am surprised that there wasn’t more opposition to it.

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