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Might as well split the Republican Party in two, Conservative Party (traditional republicans) and America First Party (Trump cultists).

(It'll be nearly impossible for the right to ever win an election again but don't tell them that)

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

the stupidity of the vote is that Cheney is a hard core, far right conservative who voted with Trump 93% of the time and they are going to replace her with a Trump lackey who only actually voted his way 75(ish)% of the time.

Yep. In fact, I made that exact point in the post just before yours ^

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3 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

Might as well split the Republican Party in two, Conservative Party (traditional republicans) and America First Party (Trump cultists).

(It'll be nearly impossible for the right to ever win an election again but don't tell them that)

The moderate Republicans will be faced with a choice.....

 

Hold your nose and vote for the party of lies, cowardice and faux conservatism......hold your nose and vote for a Democrat....or stay home.

 

Only one of those options is any good for the GQP.....

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5 minutes ago, EmilyM said:

Might as well split the Republican Party in two, Conservative Party (traditional republicans) and America First Party (Trump cultists).

(It'll be nearly impossible for the right to ever win an election again but don't tell them that)


This may well happen.

 

Prominent Republicans Put GOP On Notice With Breakaway Party Threat

 

More than 100 prominent Republicans have reportedly signed a statement that threatens to form a breakaway party if the GOP doesn’t turn away from ex-President Donald Trump and reimagine itself in the spirit of its founding ideals.

A letter signed by the anti-Trump group is set to be released Thursday, reported The New York Times.

Backers of the statement, titled “A Call For American Renewal,” include former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman; former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge; former Transportation Secretary Mary Peters; and former Reps. Charlie Dent (Pa.) and Barbara Comstock (Va.), reported Reuters.

The breakaway movement comes as a civil war between anti-Trump Republicans and those devoted to the twice impeached ex-president engulfs the party. Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) is likely to be purged from House leadership over her refusal to back Trump’s election lies as other prominent Republicans stand with the 2020 loser, despite his failings.

“Enough is enough,” said Miles Taylor, Trump’s chief of staff of the Department of Homeland Security until 2019. Taylor in 2018 penned an anonymous piece for the Times, while he was still in his government role, attacking Trump.

“We’re going to give the GOP one last chance to get its act together and moderate, but we’re not going to hold our breath,” Taylor told NBC News. “We’re ready to get out there and fight against the radical elements in the party to try to excise those elements from within the GOP and our national politics and to try to invest in the deeper pro-democracy bench.”

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

The largest hostile actor of the world is the US. 

I read (forgot bookmark the link, sorry) that right around 50% of the U.S. military budget now consists of defense associated with cyber/satellite monitoring and surveillance. Which means it's essentially a fixed cost. 

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3 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

What boggles the mind is that in reality the democratic party platform would benefit most of these rubes far more than the current republican one. Instead they have them convinced that that the democrats are coming for their guns and fetuses, POC are coming for their neighborhoods, trangendered people are coming for their children in public washrooms and an advantage in sports, and scientists are coming for their religion. While their base is frothing at the mouth fighting these invisible boogeymen they pass legislation that only benefits the ultra rich at the expense of middle and lower income families. It really would be ingenious if it wasn't so gd evil at it's core. 

Summed up absolutely perfectly! :towel:

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16 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

What boggles the mind is that in reality the democratic party platform would benefit most of these rubes far more than the current republican one. Instead they have them convinced that that the democrats are coming for their guns and fetuses, POC are coming for their neighborhoods, trangendered people are coming for their children in public washrooms and an advantage in sports, and scientists are coming for their religion. While their base is frothing at the mouth fighting these invisible boogeymen they pass legislation that only benefits the ultra rich at the expense of middle and lower income families. It really would be ingenious if it wasn't so gd evil at it's core. 

I found it ironic that several GOP reps were taking victory laps for the Covid Relief bill that they voted against:

 

https://www.necn.com/news/politics/republicans-tout-pandemic-relief-bill-they-voted-against/2461550/

 

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Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y., said it pained her to vote against the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan.

But in the weeks that followed, the first-term Republican issued a news release celebrating more than $3.7 million from the package that went to community health centers in her district as one of her “achievements.” She said she prided herself on “bringing federal funding to the district and back into the pockets of taxpayers.”

Malliotakis is far from alone.

Every Republican in Congress voted against the sweeping pandemic relief bill that President Joe Biden signed into law three months ago. But since the early spring votes, Republicans from New York and Indiana to Texas and Washington state have promoted elements of the legislation they fought to defeat.

The Republicans' favorite provisions represent a tiny sliver of the massive law, which sent $1,400 checks to millions of Americans, extended unemployment benefits until September, increased the child tax credit, offered housing assistance for millions of low-income Americans and expanded health care coverage. Republicans tried to negotiate a smaller package, arguing that Biden's plan was too expensive and not focused enough on the nation’s health and economic crises.

Democrats are promising to make the pandemic relief vote — and the Republican resistance to it — a central element in their political strategy moving into next year's midterm elections as they defend delicate House and Senate majorities. And there are early signs that Republicans may struggle to defend their opposition to the popular legislative package, which was designed to protect the nation's fragile economic recovery following the worst public health threat in a century.

GOP lawmakers have been especially bullish about promoting the rescue plan's Restaurant Revitalization Fund, which devoted $28.6 billion to the struggling industry. Applications for the program opened this week.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., topped a group of at least eight Republicans who have encouraged constituents to apply in recent days. The others included Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., and Reps. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y.; Greg Pence, R-Ind.; Jaime Herrera Beutler, R-Wash.; Beth Van Duyne, R-Texas; Troy Balderson, R-Ohio; and Anthony Gonzalez, R-Ohio.

 

This should be an insult to the intelligence of GOP voters, but.....well......you know....:unsure:

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2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I think it was Scalise who had the stones to claim she's a "distraction" from opposing Biden's "Socialist" agenda, which is rich, considering that Cheney's voting record is far more conservative than Stefanik's....

That’s what I found to be the strangest part about the whole thing. Five years ago Stefanik was a moderate conservative who refused to acknowledge Trump by name, rather by “my Party’s Candidate”. Fast forward to 2021 and she gets along famously with Donald. With the  Republican’s paradox of “can’t win a primary without bowing to Trump but can’t win a general election by doing so” we’re seeing who’s willing to compromise their morals/ethics to stick around. 

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The possibility of the Republican Party splitting in two has me wondering about the breakup. Who keeps the the funds that are in the coffers now? I assume that the money and name stays with the current party. This would be a very messy and protracted divorce. As always money will be the sticking point but at least in this case there won’t be any fighting over who gets the kids. Don jr, Ivanka and that other one have to stay.

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12 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

That’s what I found to be the strangest part about the whole thing. Five years ago Stefanik was a moderate conservative who refused to acknowledge Trump by name, rather by “my Party’s Candidate”. Fast forward to 2021 and she gets along famously with Donald. With the  Republican’s paradox of “can’t win a primary without bowing to Trump but can’t win a general election by doing so” we’re seeing who’s willing to compromise their morals/ethics to stick around. 

That's right. There are actually very few "true believers".....MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Nunes, Brooks, Jordan, Biggs....

 

...the vast majority are prostituting themselves for political gain....

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9 hours ago, Jack Fig said:

Hostile actors of the world need to be kept at bay. You can lament that reality if you want, but it's still the reality. 

Hostile actors hey 

 

https://davidswanson.org/warlist/

 

As the article states most nations/societies on this planet think the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

 

To quote the article " since WW2 during  a age of supposed peace the US has killed or help kill over 20 million people ,overthrown 36 government's,interfered in at least 85 foreign elections, attempted to assassinate over 50 foreign leaders and dropped bombs on people in over 30 countries".

 

As a species we have a military doctrine that is supposed to keep us safe,MAD,mutual assured destruction.

 

This defines the stupidity of our species and the US in particular.

 

Instead of spending/using their resources to look after their own citizens they use them to kill and or take away the thing they say they hold dear, democracy, of others.

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Besides which, the US can "keep hostile actors in check" for a lot less than they're spending. The US spends more on their military than the next 10 highest spending nations combined: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262742/countries-with-the-highest-military-spending/

 

What it amounts to is welfare for the US arms industry....

Totally.

 

This fighting for our freedom crap really pisses me off.

When our soldiers came back from WW 1 they told people not to celebrate what they had done.

They went looking for honour and glory and found misery and death.

 

Their motivation to fight was for king and country,the British did not trust the wild colonials in Europe at first so they sent them to Gallipoli to be slaughtered in machine gun fire to fullfil a long held wish by the British to take Constantinople.

 

Then after " proving" themselves they were sent to Europe to die in the pointless slaughter that was the western Front.

The Germans were amenable to a negotiated peace long before the official end of WW1 however the Allies wanted the "spoils" of war, German territories and the middle east so they kept the slaughter going for way longer than it should have.

 

The only just war was WW2 when our soldiers were actually fighting for our freedom in the jungles of New Guinea and yours were fighting for the freedom of others.

 

In no other conflicts were our soldiers fighting,dying and being horribly scarred by what they had seen and done to protect our freedom.

In some cases, Vietnam for instance,they were fighting to take others freedom away.

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27 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Hostile actors hey 

 

https://davidswanson.org/warlist/

 

As the article states most nations/societies on this planet think the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

 

To quote the article " since WW2 during  a age of supposed peace the US has killed or help kill over 20 million people ,overthrown 36 government's,interfered in at least 85 foreign elections, attempted to assassinate over 50 foreign leaders and dropped bombs on people in over 30 countries".

 

As a species we have a military doctrine that is supposed to keep us safe,MAD,mutual assured destruction.

 

This defines the stupidity of our species and the US in particular.

 

Instead of spending/using their resources to look after their own citizens they use them to kill and or take away the thing they say they hold dear, democracy, of others.

 

 

 

 

Believe me, I've largely been no fan of U.S. foreign policy and interventionism. But we are where we are ... and as I said, feel free to lament that. I know I do. And nobody has gotten a bigger free ride on security than us in Canada. Stunning hypocrisy, and all at the American taxpayer's expense. 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Fig said:

Believe me, I've largely been no fan of U.S. foreign policy and interventionism. But we are where we are ... and as I said, feel free to lament that. I know I do. And nobody has gotten a bigger free ride on security than us in Canada. Stunning hypocrisy, and all at the American taxpayer's expense. 

Those words, US foreign policy, have meant the death of millions of people and motivated the actions of others to kill.

Tell me if you did not have the US as a neighbour who do believe would invade Canada ?

Do you believe that both Britian and France-nuclear powers- would stand by and do nothing ?

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6 hours ago, Jack Fig said:

Great argument. 

And maybe Canada, and the other deadbeat states, can actually fulfill their NATO obligations. 1.27% doesn't cut it. 

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country

 

no other argument needs to be given.  There's no threat out there even remotely big enough to warrant the money the US spends on "defense".  It's the biggest con job in history

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9 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

So Liz Chaney is out as the 3rd ranking House GOP member....

 

......proof positive that the party has been entirely co-opted by cowards and liars. <_<

 

TBH, I ain't mad. Mitt Romney said it perfectly: Chaney's ouster won't gain the GOP a single vote....but it will certainly cost them some....

Great point by Romney.

 

Heard somebody say that Biden has been a great disappointment....to Comedians.

Instead of being able to make jokes about a doddering old man rocking up to work in his PJ's,he has been on point and provided solid leadership.

Over 50 percent approval rating,while bone spurs still has 100 percent imbecile rating.

 

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7 hours ago, stawns said:

the stupidity of the vote is that Cheney is a hard core, far right conservative who voted with Trump 93% of the time and they are going to replace her with a Trump lackey who only actually voted his way 75(ish)% of the time.

I think they made a movie about them,dumb and dumber.

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