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22 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Well, I can certainly deduce that it was of a large enough magnitude for him to be responsible for the deaths of millions of his citizens. Same as Hitler. Same as Stalin. Same as many of the world’s biggest P’s of S. 

 

“it was well intentioned”, well you could make an argument that Canada’s residential school system was well intentioned. I’d disagree, but there’s an argument to be made. Doesn’t make it right. 
 

This is a really bad take. You’re a smart guy. Be better. 

Hitler was not well intentioned.

Stalin was not well intentioned.

 

Neither of those guys really cared for their people.

And their actions affected hundreds of millions of people outside of their countries.

 

Mao's actions while he did want to help his people did have a major negative impact on lives within his country however not on other countries.

So to compare him to Hitler and Stalin is ludicrous.

 

Hitler was responsible for genocide

Check out the definition of that word.

If one has not been responsible for it how can you compare that person to one who has.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him.  It's obvious he's a ccp sympathizer.

It's your reasoning that is at fault.

I am not a ccp sympathizer

I am a truth sympathizer.

Got no rational arguments to present there buddy ?

 

I despise all politicians and I believe Ping is a dictator who is trying to crush any form of democracy in his country.

I denounce him for that.

 

Is that clear enough for you.

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33 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

This has been pointed out.

 

Do you believe his motivation can be compared to Hitler's and Stalin's motivations for what they did ?

And the scope on a world scale if what they did ?

 

 

Was Germany and Russia occupied by nations,a couple of them had turned part of the chinese people into drug addicts just to make a profit if them.

 

Research the history of the first and second opium wars.

What do you believe would happen if China tried to do what the western powers had done and are still in some ways trying to do - pivot to Asia ?

 

It really doesn’t matter what Mao’s intentions were if the end result was the deaths of millions. The deaths still happened. 
 

The Opium Wars were brutal and have probably scarred the Chinese psyche against western nations. If China had been the aggressor in the Opium wars, Britain would have most likely fought back. 
 

None of these horrible incidents in the past give the CCP a pass though. This government is still a subversive totalitarian dictatorship dressed up as a communist nation mingling with capitalism. 

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30 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

What is happening to the Ughuirs is _$@#$" up.

I despise people that persecute others.

What China is doing in regards to Hong Kong is $@$# up.

I believe people have the right to choose how they want to live.

Same. 

30 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

A lot of people in the west have forgotten what the Chinese government has done since 1990.

To lift nearly a billion people out of poverty is an incredible feat.

https://www.bbc.com/news/56213271

100,000,000 isn’t 1,000,000,000. It is an impressive feat, but when a country allows its population to balloon like China has, you’re going to run into poverty issues. The CCP did that because they could. They had no political infighting to deal with. And if they did encounter dissent, they just make the dissenters disappear. 

30 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Meanwhile here in the west real wages have been stagnant,the rich are getting richer, there are more working poor and or those who want more hours of work.

It’s ugly, without a doubt. People are slaves to a different master here. We are entering some very desperate times. 

30 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

As I have stated no leader is perfect however it is obvious who cares about their people and who cares about power.

How is it obvious? Most politicians just care about maintaining power. Jinping is no different. He’s been known to exhibit frightening megalomaniacal tendencies, but surely the devious CCP will deny it, like they deny everything. 

30 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Joe Biden or Mitch McConnell didn't live in a cave for seven years of their lives.

Probably not. What are you getting at with this? 

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22 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Hitler was not well intentioned.

Stalin was not well intentioned.

 

Neither of those guys really cared for their people.

And their actions affected hundreds of millions of people outside of their countries.

 

Mao's actions while he did want to help his people did have a major negative impact on lives within his country however not on other countries.

So to compare him to Hitler and Stalin is ludicrous.

 

Hitler was responsible for genocide

Check out the definition of that word.

If one has not been responsible for it how can you compare that person to one who has.

I get your point, but I don't think I'd categorize Mao's actions as well intentioned...

 

He had what he thought was a good idea for the country, but he didn't seem to care how many people died, or how much misery he caused in order to bring that idea to fruition:

 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-leap-forward.asp

 

 

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Private plot farming was abolished and rural farmers were forced to work on collective farms where all production, resource allocation, and food distribution was centrally controlled by the Communist Party. Large scale irrigation projects, with little input from trained engineers, were initiated, and experimental, unproven new agricultural techniques were quickly introduced around the country.

These innovations resulted in declining crop yields from failed experiments and improperly constructed water projects. A nationwide campaign to exterminate sparrows, which Mao believed were major pest on grain crops, resulted in massive locust swarms in the absence of natural predation by the sparrows. Grain production fell sharply, and hundreds of thousands died from forced labor and exposure to the elements on irrigation construction projects and communal farming. 

Famine quickly set in across the countryside, resulting in millions more deaths. People resorted to eating tree bark and dirt, and in some areas to cannibalism. Farmers who failed to meet grain quotas, tried to get more food, or attempted to escape were tortured and killed along with their family members via beating, public mutilation, being buried alive, scalding with boiling water, and other methods.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I get your point, but I don't think I'd categorize Mao's actions as well intentioned...

 

He had what he thought was a good idea for the country, but he didn't seem to care how many people died, or how much misery he caused in order to bring that idea to fruition:

 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-leap-forward.asp

 

 

 

Yeah, Mao was as much of a monster as Hitler or Stalin. 

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25 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Yeah, Mao was as much of a monster as Hitler or Stalin. 

Yeah, I don’t much care for the “levels” of the world’s worst people. Scum is scum is scum. Arguing relative semantics about their intentions is what most people would call a waste of time; others would call it a humongous waste of time. We obviously have a commie in our midst. 

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2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

I do not engage in discussion with people who I do not have respect for, and I've just lost all respect for you.

I feel sorry for you.

You are a very narrow minded person who lets emotion overide reason and logic.

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2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

It really doesn’t matter what Mao’s intentions were if the end result was the deaths of millions. The deaths still happened. 
 

The Opium Wars were brutal and have probably scarred the Chinese psyche against western nations. If China had been the aggressor in the Opium wars, Britain would have most likely fought back. 
 

None of these horrible incidents in the past give the CCP a pass though. This government is still a subversive totalitarian dictatorship dressed up as a communist nation mingling with capitalism. 

It matters if you are comparing him to Hitler and Stalin and that was what I was replying to.

He fought to free his people from oppressive occupiers and then tried to make their lives better.

Neither Hitler or Stalin did that.

Stalin actually signed the Molotov- Ribbentrop pact which was designed to divide up Poland between Germany and Russia.

 

They both had huge negative affects on hundreds of millions of lives outside of their respective countries.

 

Mao did not.

 

I have never said he was a Saint or even a good leader.

 

 

 

Have I once stated that the ccp deserves a pass ?

No.

 

And as I have pointed out in the last 30 years the Chinese leadership has raised nearly 1 billion people out of poverty while here in the west more people are sliding into poverty.

You can literally see the middle-class disappearing.

 

I despise the way our government here in Aus is using xenophobia of China to further its own political ends.

And real Aussies are suffering the consequences of this.

Both at a trade level and a personal one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/03/nearly-one-in-five-chinese-australians-threatened-or-attacked-in-past-year-survey-finds

 

While the CCP are blatant about the means they use to control their populace over here in the west governments are more subtle and devious in their attempts at doing so.

 

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/government-is-stripping-away-our-civil-liberties,13846

 

People are naive if they believe China is the only nation that is stripping away peoples rights.

 

 

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2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I get your point, but I don't think I'd categorize Mao's actions as well intentioned...

 

He had what he thought was a good idea for the country, but he didn't seem to care how many people died, or how much misery he caused in order to bring that idea to fruition:

 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-leap-forward.asp

 

 

 

As I have just stated brother I have never claimed he was a Saint or even a good leader however he actually fought and led his people against a tyrannical oppressor.

 

He was praised for improving the status of women in China.

He improved literacy and education.

He was single-minded in his attempts to improve his peoples lives and that had a huge negative effect when he got it wrong.

The world has been broken on the best of intentions.

 

Hitler and Stalin never had the best of intentions.

 

Again I will state he cannot be compared to Hitler or Stalin.

Their effect on the world outside their respective countries was far greater in a negative way.

 

Thank you and Phil for the respectful,civil way you post/discuss a subject.

It is much appreciated and something that is disappearing,civility as well as logic and reason.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sean Monahan said:

Yeah, I don’t much care for the “levels” of the world’s worst people. Scum is scum is scum. Arguing relative semantics about their intentions is what most people would call a waste of time; others would call it a humongous waste of time. We obviously have a commie in our midst. 

I was 14 when I read Karl Marx and Frederick Engels Communist Manifesto.

I thought this is the shizzle,one gets a telly,we all get a telly.

One gets a car,we all get a car.

Then a delved further into both the subject and it's implementation into various societies.

I soon came to the conclusion that it was just another failed experiment in the governance of humans.

 

One if the major things it does not take into account is human nature, the fact that while we are all equal,we are not all of equal ability and more importantly we all do not contribute to our societies in an equal manner.

 

There are sheep and there area Wolves.

Unfortunately most people are sheep.

If you promise them a form of security they will trade their freedoms and indeed their individuality for that security.

 

Me,I do not like being told what to do.

I am capable of looking after myself and others as well.

 

I am an agnostic humanist who treats others in the manner I wish to be treated myself.

 

I understand these things make me an anachronism in today's world.

 

Talking/discussing history/ our past mistakes is the first step on the road to not making those same mistakes again.

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3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Same. 

100,000,000 isn’t 1,000,000,000. It is an impressive feat, but when a country allows its population to balloon like China has, you’re going to run into poverty issues. The CCP did that because they could. They had no political infighting to deal with. And if they did encounter dissent, they just make the dissenters disappear. 

It’s ugly, without a doubt. People are slaves to a different master here. We are entering some very desperate times. 

How is it obvious? Most politicians just care about maintaining power. Jinping is no different. He’s been known to exhibit frightening megalomaniacal tendencies, but surely the devious CCP will deny it, like they deny everything. 

Probably not. What are you getting at with this? 

Ping certainly cares more for his people than trump did/ does and he told/tells a lot less lies.

The article states 745,000,000 lifted out of poverty since 1990.

That is an incredible feat.

 

 

That after living for seven years in a cave he would be more in touch with the average person in China than trump or even Biden and McConnell are with theirs.

While I believe Biden cares for his people, Mitch is just as much if not more ruthless than Ping and I guarantee you he does not give a rat's arse about the American people.

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Guess he won't be able to have "business trips" as Pres to his fleabag golf courses & bill the US taxpayer millions anymore (which will increase those losses)

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