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11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

It matters if you are comparing him to Hitler and Stalin and that was what I was replying to.

He fought to free his people from oppressive occupiers and then tried to make their lives better.

Neither Hitler or Stalin did that.

Stalin actually signed the Molotov- Ribbentrop pact which was designed to divide up Poland between Germany and Russia.

All three probably thought in their demented way that they were helping their people. Their people being the ones who would do whatever they said.

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

They both had huge negative affects on hundreds of millions of lives outside of their respective countries.

 

Mao did not.

 

I have never said he was a Saint or even a good leader.

I agree that China has rarely engaged in an international conflict.

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Have I once stated that the ccp deserves a pass ?

No.

It was a rhetorical statement rather than a pointed one at you.

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

And as I have pointed out in the last 30 years the Chinese leadership has raised nearly 1 billion people out of poverty while here in the west more people are sliding into poverty.

You can literally see the middle-class disappearing.

Was the impetus of getting those people out of poverty an altruistic one, or was it borne out of necessity? I mean, letting millions starve to death within your own country would have been a massive black mark against the CCP that they would have never recovered from.

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I despise the way our government here in Aus is using xenophobia of China to further its own political ends.

How so? From what I've read Australia hasn't been out of line. 

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

And real Aussies are suffering the consequences of this.

Both at a trade level and a personal one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/03/nearly-one-in-five-chinese-australians-threatened-or-attacked-in-past-year-survey-finds

That's unfortunate. People singling out others because of their appearance, and then attaching a mistaken assumption to that is truly stupid. I know quite a few Chinese Canadians who have been in this country for three generations. 

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

While the CCP are blatant about the means they use to control their populace over here in the west governments are more subtle and devious in their attempts at doing so.

 

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/government-is-stripping-away-our-civil-liberties,13846

 

People are naive if they believe China is the only nation that is stripping away peoples rights.

While that has some truth to it, outright punishing people for attempting to speak freely is despotic. Certainly Western nations are trying to tighten the grip they have on the average citizen, but the average citizen can go right back at them and call them out and not fear that the government will then come after them for it. There have been reports of quite a few people in Wuhan who were walking around the city and taking pictures, these are citizens of Wuhan, who were approached by police for doing so, and then these folks disappeared. Even a year later, their families haven't seen them. Something is wrong with that.

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Don’t know whether to laugh or cry on this one:

 


If there were only some way to really investigate what happened and get to the bottom of it.


Like, I dunno, maybe a bipartisan January 6th commission? <_<
 

And Revolver News being “one of the last honest outlets on the internet?

 

Lol, yeah sure, a “news” source with a questionable level of factual reporting and rated as having an “extreme right” media bias? Sounds trustworthy to me. :lol:

 

Gotta love how the right wing media somehow manages to completely ignore the obvious role of Trump and the GOP in the insurrection, and instead looks to turn the blame on the Biden administration for “covering up” what actually happened on January 6th.

 

Of course, Fox News has demonstrated that “no reasonable person” would believe this reporting from Tucker (or Revolver News), but unfortunately, their audience isn’t composed of reasonable people, so I’m sure this is going to get a lot of traction (I mean, many of these people still think that “Antifa” stormed the Capital while cosplaying as “patriots”). :sadno:

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A who's who of absolute trash.  Why are we not surprised to see certain names in this list.  

 

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-vote-capitol-police-gold-medals-insurrection-1601129

Full List of Republicans Who Voted Against Medals for January 6 Police

 

The House has overwhelmingly passed legislation to award the Congressional Gold Medal to the police officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the January 6 riots.

Lawmakers approved the award for the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington, D.C. by a vote of 406-21. All the "no" votes came from Republicans.

The 21 GOP lawmakers include ardent supporters of former President Donald Trump, some who have attempted to downplay the events of January 6 and others who have previously been linked to the QAnon conspiracy theory.

After the vote, a number of the Republican "no" voters said they took issue with the language used in the bill, which described the rioters as "a mob of insurrectionists."

Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky said this could have an effect on the hundreds of suspects who have been charged in connection with the events of January 6.

"I think, if we call that an insurrection, it could have a bearing on their case that I don't think would be good," Massie said, via The Hill.

"If they just wanted to give the police recognition, they could have done it without trying to make it partisan, without sticking that in there."

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia said she had voted against the bill because it referred to the Capitol as a "temple."

"I wouldn't call it an insurrection," Greene told Politico.

Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania said: "It's all politics. It's all garbage."

Full list of Republicans who voted "no" to awarding the Congressional Gold Medal to police officers who defended the Capitol

  • Andy Biggs, Arizona
  • Lauren Boebert, Colorado
  • Michael Cloud, Texas
  • Andrew Clyde, Georgia
  • Warren Davidson, Ohio
  • Matt Gaetz, Florida
  • Louie Gohmert, Texas
  • Bob Good, Virginia
  • Paul Gosar, Arizona
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia
  • Andy Harris, Maryland
  • Jody Hice, Georgia
  • Thomas Massie, Kentucky
  • Mary Miller, Illinois
  • Barry Moore, Alabama
  • Ralph Norman, South Carolina
  • Scott Perry, Pennsylvania
  • John Rose, Tennessee
  • Matt Rosendale, Montana
  • Chip Roy, Texas
  • Greg Steube, Florida

A number of lawmakers expressed their outrage at the representatives who had voted against the motion.

"How you can vote no to this is beyond me," tweeted Rep. Adam Kinzinger, a Republican from Illinois who is an outspoken critic of Trump.

"Then again, denying an insurrection is as well. To the brave Capitol (and DC metro PD) thank you. To the 21: they will continue to defend your right to vote no anyway."

In a CNN interview on Tuesday night, Rep. Gerald Connolly, a Democrat from Virginia, said: "They voted to overturn an election. But in their vote today, they kind of sealed the deal of basically affiliating with the mob.

"They now are part of the insurrectionist mob. They brought enormous disrepute and dishonor on themselves in not honoring the brave men and women who defended the Capitol of the United States—everybody in it, but also defending the symbol of democracy in the world, not just here in the United States."

Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts said it was "sick" that the 21 Republicans had voted against the bill.

"But I mean, they have to live with themselves," the Democratic congressman told Politico. "It's sad, pathetic."

In a statement to Newsweek, a Capitol Police spokesperson said: "We are humbled and honored for the beautiful recognition."

The Metropolitan Police Department has also been contacted for comment.

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11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Ping certainly cares more for his people than trump did/ does and he told/tells a lot less lies.

I don't think that's a verifiable statement at all. 

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

The article states 745,000,000 lifted out of poverty since 1990.

That is an incredible feat.

Certainly. Having a population of over a billion will certainly contribute to that though. Perhaps if China hadn't have allowed their population to balloon to that number they could have avoided the poverty?

11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

That after living for seven years in a cave he would be more in touch with the average person in China than trump or even Biden and McConnell are with theirs.

While I believe Biden cares for his people, Mitch is just as much if not more ruthless than Ping and I guarantee you he does not give a rat's arse about the American people.

How many Chinese people live in caves? I don't really trust the words of career politicians at all. They're trained to twist the truth. Biden, McConnell and Jinping are all politicians with decades of experience. They are all out of touch with the needs of the average person. 

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12 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Certainly. Having a population of over a billion will certainly contribute to that though. Perhaps if China hadn't have allowed their population to balloon to that number they could have avoided the poverty?

 

They tried the one child policy and it had some severe intended consequences.  I'm no fan of the CCP, but they're one of the few governments in the world that actually take overpopulation seriously.

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2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

They tried the one child policy and it had some severe intended consequences.  I'm no fan of the CCP, but they're one of the few governments in the world that actually take overpopulation seriously.

To what end? 1,444,216,107 people tells me that they didn't take it seriously enough. 

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4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

That is gruesome. I wonder why there wasn't an incentive based campaign instead.

Vice covered this years ago. There are entire cities of mostly men. A sausage fest and you live there. Brutal..

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7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

That is gruesome. I wonder why there wasn't an incentive based campaign instead.

the CCP's version of incentive is do what I want or go to jail. 

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10 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

30 million bachelors? :blink:

 

....they say that like it's a bad thing....:unsure:

It's not great when the prevalent view towards elder care is having your kids take care of you.

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14 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

It's not great when the prevalent view towards elder care is having your kids take care of you.

'Struth....

 

TBH, it worries me a bit....I'm not even sure my kids can take care of a goldfish....:unsure:

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3 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry on this one:

 


If there were only some way to really investigate what happened and get to the bottom of it.


Like, I dunno, maybe a bipartisan January 6th commission? <_<
 

And Revolver News being “one of the last honest outlets on the internet?

 

Lol, yeah sure, a “news” source with a questionable level of factual reporting and rated as having an “extreme right” media bias? Sounds trustworthy to me. :lol:

 

Gotta love how the right wing media somehow manages to completely ignore the obvious role of Trump and the GOP in the insurrection, and instead looks to turn the blame on the Biden administration for “covering up” what actually happened on January 6th.

 

Of course, Fox News has demonstrated that “no reasonable person” would believe this reporting from Tucker (or Revolver News), but unfortunately, their audience isn’t composed of reasonable people, so I’m sure this is going to get a lot of traction (I mean, many of these people still think that “Antifa” stormed the Capital while cosplaying as “patriots”). :sadno:

Ever notice that Tucker never actually makes any claims? All he does is ask leading questions, strongly suggesting that the answer is obvious....

 

I guess that's what getting sued and having to use the "nobody should take me seriously" defense does for you....:rolleyes:

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57 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah you don't want the office facing a river in China. 

it must be like working in the medical industry in Russia....

 

.....everyone wants a ground floor office....

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

it must be like working in the medical industry in Russia....

 

.....everyone wants a ground floor office....

I think in Russia its more like you let other people touch the door knobs. "Oh no, after you, I insist" 

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34 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think in Russia its more like you let other people touch the door knobs. "Oh no, after you, I insist" 

There's that too....

 

"Oh, no thanks! I had Polonium for breakfast!".....

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