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2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Totally agree with everything except the last line.  To Mueller, the full story is already in the report.  If we're expecting him to read between the lines of what's in the report or tell Democrats that they should proceed with obstruction of justice charges I think we'll be disappointed.

I'm not expecting any recommendations from Mueller. Still, I think that questions from the committee could serve to put information into the public spectrum that Trump and his allies have gone to lengths to conceal.

 

It appears that president Pinocchio is already starting to sweat Muller's testimony and is getting out front of the situation by doing what he does best: Lie.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/trump-without-offering-evidence-accuses-mueller-of-illegal-activity/ar-AADsz2n?li=AAggFp5

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21 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said:

This morning, Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed special counsel Robert Mueller likely has no idea what's in the Mueller Report.  

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-friends-brian-kilmeade-robert-mueller-report-1445991

 

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And people will fervently believe this....bizarro world.

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3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Here's a story about a couple of the "criminals" that @Caphit was referring to yesterday:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/politics/mexico-father-daughter-dead-rio-grande-wednesday/index.html

 

***Warning*** the link contains a very disturbing image.

Tragic but the president did warn them:

 

 

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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:

I don't know why you would bring that up as apples/oranges.   I think the key is this has been an issue for a long time and tragic as it is, no one has solved it.   Perhaps just opening the borders and to hell with legal process is the way to go.   That should work really well.   

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I don't know why you would bring that up as apples/oranges.   I think the key is this has been an issue for a long time and tragic as it is, no one has solved it.   Perhaps just opening the borders and to hell with legal process is the way to go.   That should work really well.   

 

 

Nobody is advocating "open borders".

 

If you had read the article you'd have seen that the family tried to present themselves at a port of entry and seek asylum, but there were 2000 people waiting in overcrowded conditions. According to the Mexican newspaper La Jornada, "US agents granted an average of three appointments per week".

 

What I am (and always have been) advocating is the hiring of more Immigration judges, so people like these aren't left with the desperate decision that this father had to make.

 

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24 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I kind of understand that "straw man" concept now.  Using Obama's record on a policy to deflect from what Trump is doing is of that ilk.  However, my point is, and I think has always been, these US presidents are the same.  They are all war mongers, who seem to do what's best for the war machine, rather than what's right.  

Yes, that's a straw man, because it deflects from the focus on Trump.  I was hopeful Hillary would win, because (being a woman) i thought there might be a change.  Then, when Trump was stating he was "draining the swamp", I was again hopeful to see change.  I don't think the US will ever change.  No matter who is there President, that country will glorify war, violence, and anything that supports the war machine.  The next President, whomever, will make similar statements to Trump and Obama about illegals coming into their country.  There will be the same problems, where children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable will be the ones who suffer.  The US will not change, it seems, no matter who their President is.  

Will Bernie Sanders be any different?  

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10 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Nobody is advocating "open borders".

 

If you had read the article you'd have seen that the family tried to present themselves at a port of entry and seek asylum, but there were 2000 people waiting in overcrowded conditions. According to the Mexican newspaper La Jornada, "US agents granted an average of three appointments per week".

 

What I am (and always have been) advocating is the hiring of more Immigration judges, so people like these aren't left with the desperate decision that this father had to make.

 

Per Obama - DON'T BRING YOUR CHILDREN TO THE BORDER.   That was then, conditions are even worse now.   There are more appointments and personnel in 2019 than there were in 2014.    This is a horrible situation - but politicizing it is just as ugly.    The only solutions (you have a good one, and I agree with it) that the left in the US seem to have involve implied open boarders.   Even their last President knew better.

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1 hour ago, Canada Hockey Place said:

This morning, Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed special counsel Robert Mueller likely has no idea what's in the Mueller Report.  

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-friends-brian-kilmeade-robert-mueller-report-1445991

 

:lol:

I'm laughing, too, because the alternative is crying at the abject, wilful and deliberate ignorance and stupidity of the people who would actually believe this bull$&!#. And sadly, there are a great many who will.

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I kind of understand that "straw man" concept now.  Using Obama's record on a policy to deflect from what Trump is doing is of that ilk.  However, my point is, and I think has always been, these US presidents are the same.  They are all war mongers, who seem to do what's best for the war machine, rather than what's right.  

Yes, that's a straw man, because it deflects from the focus on Trump.  I was hopeful Hillary would win, because (being a woman) i thought there might be a change.  Then, when Trump was stating he was "draining the swamp", I was again hopeful to see change.  I don't think the US will ever change.  No matter who is there President, that country will glorify war, violence, and anything that supports the war machine.  The next President, whomever, will make similar statements to Trump and Obama about illegals coming into their country.  There will be the same problems, where children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable will be the ones who suffer.  The US will not change, it seems, no matter who their President is.  

Will Bernie Sanders be any different?  

I disagree. When Trump used a blanket statement to refer to Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, he was serious. He's been a racist his entire life and for some reason, his supporters that don't happen to be racists themselves, look the other way, when he does or says racist things.

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1 minute ago, Cerridwen said:

I'm laughing, too, because the alternative is crying at the abject, wilful and deliberate ignorance and stupidity of the people who would actually believe this bull$&!#. And sadly, there are a great many who will.

Which is another problem with the US voters.  Too many of them are more interested in Snooki's newest shoes, than they are in understanding propaganda.  

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16 hours ago, HerrDrFunk said:

:rolleyes:

 

Meanwhile, in something resembling adultland:

 

 

i'm not convinced that will be fulsome testimony

we were led to believe hope hicks was willing to testify

and then objections were raised from the white house

which limited her testimony

 

we'll only know on july 17 what mueller is prepared to testify to or about

and what he will feel he is not able to for some reason we may still need to learn about

 

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11 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I don't know why you would bring that up as apples/oranges.   I think the key is this has been an issue for a long time and tragic as it is, no one has solved it.   Perhaps just opening the borders and to hell with legal process is the way to go.   That should work really well.   

You probably could have just gone ahead and used Obamas/Oranges.

 

Both sides want border security from what I see.

Trump has drawn his line in the sand, The Wall,  and is willing to let this crisis continue.

 

God those are some tough pictures to look at. The little girl with her arm around her dad. 

 

You're right, this shouldn't politicized. So, I don't know why Obama gets brought up? He's gone,  he was just as bad?...was he? does it matter?...the other guy is in charge now. He could do better. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I disagree. When Trump used a blanket statement to refer to Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, he was serious. He's been a racist his entire life and for some reason, his supporters that don't happen to be racists themselves, look the other way, when he does or says racist things.

And I think, not sure; can't find, Trump said that Africa was a "sh*t hole".

Trump may or may not be a racist.  I don't know him.  Clearly he says (Tweets) ignorant things.  That's factual. 

Regardless US Presidents for the last 100 years are only puppets of their war machine.  

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5 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

You probably could have just gone ahead and used Obamas/Oranges.

 

Both sides want border security from what I see.

Trump has drawn his line in the sand, The Wall,  and is willing to let this crisis continue.

 

God those are some tough pictures to look at. The little girl with her arm around her dad. 

 

You're right, this shouldn't politicized. So, I don't know why Obama gets brought up? He's gone,  he was just as bad?...was he? does it matter?...the other guy is in charge now. He could do better. 

 

 

Exactly.  Do what's right, and not what the war machine and political war mongers are dictating.  

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9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I kind of understand that "straw man" concept now.  Using Obama's record on a policy to deflect from what Trump is doing is of that ilk.  However, my point is, and I think has always been, these US presidents are the same.  They are all war mongers, who seem to do what's best for the war machine, rather than what's right.  

Yes, that's a straw man, because it deflects from the focus on Trump.  I was hopeful Hillary would win, because (being a woman) i thought there might be a change.  Then, when Trump was stating he was "draining the swamp", I was again hopeful to see change.  I don't think the US will ever change.  No matter who is there President, that country will glorify war, violence, and anything that supports the war machine.  The next President, whomever, will make similar statements to Trump and Obama about illegals coming into their country.  There will be the same problems, where children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable will be the ones who suffer.  The US will not change, it seems, no matter who their President is.  

Will Bernie Sanders be any different?  

Arn't you pre-setting his get out of jail free card for when he trumps up this fabricated conflict with Iran? 

 

And I think you're wrong, the states have changed plenty since they were formed. Maybe now, finally that War for profit Machine you speak of will get addressed? Like Slavery was, like the right to vote for women was. I think the key is not to stop criticising and planning for a better future.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Arn't you pre-setting his get out of jail free card for when he trumps up this fabricated conflict with Iran? 

 

And I think you're wrong, the states have changed plenty since they were formed. Maybe now, finally that War for profit Machine you speak of will get addressed? Like Slavery was, like the right to vote for women was. I think the key is not to stop criticising and planning for a better future.

 

 

 

 

I hope your prediction of change down south comes true.  I just don't see enough voters very interested in making change.  Too many voters seem like they are more interested in following the adventures of "entertainers" on Twitter, than they are in understanding politics.  They need to make a change in that attitude first, before there will be a change in their county's politics.  

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