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Just now, Ronaldoescobar said:

While I do not believe that Trump saying "Chinese Virus" is racist, it may be a little careless. The article is a bit over the top but you dont want to see innocent people, specifically Asians, being targeted by actual racists who blame them personally for the virus. I also say Asians because unfortunately many nationalities (Japanese, Korean etc etc) would  probably be mistaken for Chinese by some. 

It's not careless at all. He's doing it deliberately and consistently.

 

There's a purpose behind it and that is to deflect blame away from his poor response to the crisis. I agree that it isn't racist, but it's also far from careless.

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2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It's not careless at all. He's doing it deliberately and consistently.

 

There's a purpose behind it and that is to deflect blame away from his poor response to the crisis. I agree that it isn't racist, but it's also far from careless.

I don’t see much dif between the USA response and Canada’s. Your hate for Trump has put blinders on your outlook.

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3 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

While I do not believe that Trump saying "Chinese Virus" is racist, it may be a little careless. The article is a bit over the top but you dont want to see innocent people, specifically Asians, being targeted by actual racists who blame them personally for the virus. I also say Asians because unfortunately many nationalities (Japanese, Korean etc etc) would  probably be mistaken for Chinese by some. 

A little careless and non-politically correct is what most should expect from Trump. Hopefully this brings about a more reluctant stance in trusting (depending on) China with an intertwined economy.

 

Nobody wants to see Asians targeted, perhaps he should call it the Chinese Government Virus, but I think continuing to harp on his usage of the term only exacerbates the situation which the media laps up and here we are talking about it.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

I don’t see much dif between the USA response and Canada’s. Your hate for Trump has put blinders on your outlook.

Really? Has Trudeau or any of his staffers referred to it as the Wuhan virus? Chinese virus? Kung Flu?

 

Your support of Trump has put blinders on your outlook.

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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:

Really? Has Trudeau or any of his staffers referred to it as the Wuhan virus? Chinese virus? Kung Flu?

 

Your support of Trump has put blinders on your outlook.

My comment was to do with the relative reaction to the virus. You stated that the USA had screwed it up and my comment was that I didn’t see much dif between the USA and Canada. 

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1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said:

This type of rhetoric is dangerous and irresponsible. Just call it by it's name Covid-19 and stop the games. Chinese Americans are being targeted. People are wound up and afraid. Why wind them up even more by being irresponsible.

 

The first revenge killing in the United States after 911 was not a Muslim. It was a Sikh shopkeeper who was shot to death by an idiot who couldn't even identify who he was mad at. Some twit who is still rotting in prison walked into his shop and declared "I stand for America all the way" and shot him in the chest. Regardless of the fact that Sikhs have been persecuted by Muslims for 500 years.

 

Bottom line, don't rile up people on the edge. It's dangerous and innocent people wind up paying the price. Sometimes the ultimate price.

Maybe I am naive but I sit here over in Maui and always admire the society here that accepts all races equally. At least that is what I see on the surface. Usually those who dwell on race have a political agenda whether pro or con. 

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2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

My comment was to do with the relative reaction to the virus. You stated that the USA had screwed it up and my comment was that I didn’t see much dif between the USA and Canada. 

They did screw it up and there is a difference. Trump referred to it as a "hoax". He lied about having it under control. He admitted to wanting to leave a cruise ship offshore, to make his numbers look better.

 

Subsequent polls have confirmed that a significant portion of the American public believed his disinformation.

 

The Trudeau administration, while certainly not handling this perfectly, has been listening to experts since day one and have done none of the sort of dissembling that the Trump administration has consistently been employing, up until the time that it became obvious that their lies would no longer stand up under scrutiny.

 

There are no "blinders" you can attribute to me that will refute those facts. The two countries' responses are quite different, despite your assertions to the contrary.

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5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

My comment was to do with the relative reaction to the virus. You stated that the USA had screwed it up and my comment was that I didn’t see much dif between the USA and Canada. 

US 10,810 cases 160 deaths

Canada 772 cases and 10 deaths

 

US population 2019 est   329.67 mill

Canada population 37.35 million or a  more than a tenth of the US population. Multiply Canadian cases and deaths by 10 and seems; at this early point Canada is doing better.

I do not know if that will continue though, as I've said it is very early in Canada's number curve/growth.

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

One has to ask why these orgs ever gained the influence they ever did. There is a obvious political agenda but also a business side that lives for the ‘taps’ they can generate for advertisers. When that doesn’t work anymore you pull a CBC and say you want to go advert free. The taxpayer can pick up the full tab for our BS. 

 

The failure in in all of this is an electorate that is prepared to have someone else do their thinking for them and a political leadership that cannot communicate a philosophy that can evaluate issues with. I try to be a numbers guy. If the numbers don’t add up I am being sold a bill of goods and the salesman is a BS’er. 

I don't know that this particular part is new, I think thats been around since the Greeks invented democracy. 

 

I guess CNN is successful because it was first? That and the Gulf war was fascinating to watch in real time. 

 

I don't care about different private outlets having different slants or agenda's, as long as everyone is aware of what they are. Its fine to have an opinion. 

 

I don't like what CBC has become either. I'd love to see it scaled down to online content, radio and a 24/7 news channel that has some programming the way BBC does, sort of deep dives into issues or full-spectrum political panels. It doesn't do us any good to have a public station viewed as a lefty mouthpiece (regardless of how true that really is or not).

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47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

And just like that

 

America believes in socialism

IMO to not be hypocritical, anyone that says they hate Trump should send the money back as should the ones that hate socialism... There, I just saved America billions as it would only leave a dozen or so people left to be assisted ;P

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6 hours ago, Chicken. said:

A little careless and non-politically correct is what most should expect from Trump. Hopefully this brings about a more reluctant stance in trusting (depending on) China with an intertwined economy.

 

Nobody wants to see Asians targeted, perhaps he should call it the Chinese Government Virus, but I think continuing to harp on his usage of the term only exacerbates the situation which the media laps up and here we are talking about it.

Yeah. "careless" :rolleyes:

 

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Just now, Duodenum said:

Lmao is that a real picture? If it is, shows how absolutely deliberate and tremendously on purpose it is. 

Of course it is...

 

Frankly, I was surprised that anyone would believe that this isn't a deliberate, concerted effort to scapegoat the Chinese....have they not been paying attention for the past three years?

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12 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Of course it is...

 

Frankly, I was surprised that anyone would believe that this isn't a deliberate, concerted effort to scapegoat the Chinese....have they not been paying attention for the past three years?

They definitely played their hand in the creation of the virus, no care for health standard practices. Now it's come to light that at least some US Republicans knew the economical impact and protected themselves before they started to enact protective measures for the general public. Sure, it protects their own bank account, the problem is every day of delay is that many more people dead.

 

I wonder if there's any Liberals in Canada who knew and did the same thing? If so, heads should roll. 

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Here is another US Senator found to have dumped shares prior to the stock market crash

Fri 20 Mar 2020 01:26:04 GMT

 

I posted earlier on: US Senator dumped up to USD 1.6m of stocks after reassuring public about coronavirus preparedness

The cesspit gets deeper. if this is anything to go by,:
 
Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) reported the first sale of stock jointly owned by her and her husband on Jan. 24, the very day that her committee, the Senate Health Committee, hosted a private, all-senators briefing from administration officials, including the CDC director and Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institutes of Health of the United States, on the coronavirus.
  • The company's stock price has fallen by more than half since then
It was the first of 29 stock transactions that Loeffler and her husband made through mid-February, all but two of which were sales
  • One of Loeffler's two purchases was stock worth between $100,000 and $250,000 in Citrix, a technology company that offers teleworking software and which has seen a small bump in its stock price since Loeffler bought in as a result of coronavirus-induced
  • market turmoil.
From January 24 to mid February were very fortuitous times to be selling. 
 
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Here comes the new moral police...........
 

Fox news' Tucker Carlson - Senator betrayed country in a time of crisis

Fri 20 Mar 2020 01:41:47 GMT

 

Carlson has asked the senator for a reasonable explanation, otherwise resign and be prosecuted for this:

Says it appears Burr  betrayed his country in a time of crisis
 
Carlson has asked the senator for a reasonable explanation, otherwise resing and be prosecuted for this:
 
US President Trump is a big fan of Carlson.
 
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