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Trump calls fired watchdog in impeachment probe a 'disgrace'.

https://www.burnabynow.com/trump-calls-fired-watchdog-in-impeachment-probe-a-disgrace-1.24112689

 

So Trump fired the guy who brought up the Whistleblower complaint (which is what that guys job dictates).  So firing the guy for doing his job is the standard now.  Or rather, fire anyone that shows anything negative towards Trump.

 

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2 hours ago, PistolPete13 said:

And yet the Germans are touting a 100 year old tuberculosis drug name VPN 1019? as an interim cure. Do I get a participation medal for being the first to bring this up?

 

I saw it on the TV so it must be true.

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Buddy tested positive for Covid -19. Buddy drank lots of water. Buddy has now recovered. Therefore the cure is water. Am I doing this right?

 

 

 

 

It has to be salty water otherwise it doesn’t work.

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7 hours ago, 4thLineGrinder said:

 

yes trump has been the one with the best intel and reaction to this on the world stage.  because he suggested it so early many other doctors around the world have had the time to do proper testing. i admit his leadership is whats driving the boat right now, you got me

This is comedy gold. Probably one of the most clueless things I've read in this thread and that's saying something. 

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8 hours ago, 4thLineGrinder said:

 

yes trump has been the one with the best intel and reaction to this on the world stage.  because he suggested it so early many other doctors around the world have had the time to do proper testing. i admit his leadership is whats driving the boat right now, you got me

You have to be a troll. You just have to be.

 

Either that or you make money off of Trump being in office.

 

This drug was being tested before Trump even mentioned it, but you seem to want to give Trump all the credit. Next thing you know, you'll be telling us coffee's actually called covfefe because Trump pointed out we've been saying it wrong all along.

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12 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

You didn't answer.

 

Let me try again. 

Do you think Kushner should oversee all that he does or do you think it is mostly nepotism?

 

You are focused on the Trump kids and Kushner the son in law. If nepotism is the key concern then a complete review of the full 4000 appointees and their relationships would be in order. Both the GOP and the Democrats have relatives working in media and in government. In varying degrees they all have the potential to influence policy and opinions. The fact that Trump has put people in positions of power who he knows and trusts should not surprise. Neither should it surprise when he turfs out those he does not think are serving him well. It is clear he wants to keep his job and he will be judged by voters. If your concerns about nepotism lead to poor out comes then Trump will be defeated. It never did with the Kennedys.  

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15 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

It’s amazing what some will allow themselves to believe to stay on the right side of their ideological bent. Hell, even mainstream news in the US is trying to view Dumbpf in a presidential light. The propaganda machine down there is truly sociopathic. 
 

Same for the Democratic Party. They could have easily ran a candidate who represents a future that means something to the young voters, but instead they chose to put their chips behind a senile candidate so that those who crave power keep power. 
 

yeah the states is tearing itself apart, and even a pandemic just drives the wedges deeper.

 

I'm pretty happy with how our provincial and federal politicians are coming together through this, even Doug Ford has found a unifying voice. Ford's criticism of Trump should give some posters on here some pause... but it won't.

 

I don't think ideology is the right word anymore tho for some, that suggests that actual information is involved. Canadians For Trump sounds like a cult to me. 

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

 If your concerns about nepotism lead to poor out comes then Trump will be defeated. 

you can't be serious.

 

Also how do you define 'poor outcomes'? it can't be debt ,or foreign policy, international relations, handling of the pandemic, trade negotiations, health or education where you can show he's had a 'good outcome'. 

 

OK the stock market was up for a while. Unemployment numbers were good too. Thats all he's got, and there's actual evidence to show he didn't really drive either. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/trump-didnt-make-this-economy/606115/

 

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25 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you can't be serious.

 

Also how do you define 'poor outcomes'? it can't be debt ,or foreign policy, international relations, handling of the pandemic, trade negotiations, health or education where you can show he's had a 'good outcome'. 

 

OK the stock market was up for a while. Unemployment numbers were good too. Thats all he's got, and there's actual evidence to show he didn't really drive either. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/trump-didnt-make-this-economy/606115/

 

I know you enjoy the back and forth. As I said if people don’t think Trump is doing as good a job as the Democrats would, he can be voted out. 

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1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

I know you enjoy the back and forth. As I said if people don’t think Trump is doing as good a job as the Democrats would he can be voted out. 

I'm saying the idea of a 'good job' won't have anything to do with how most people vote in the US, and in particular republicans who support Trump on ideology and not facts. 

 

Its funny to me that you think republicans would even consider switching, there isn't a set of facts that would move them off their vote. 

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

You are focused on the Trump kids and Kushner the son in law. If nepotism is the key concern then a complete review of the full 4000 appointees and their relationships would be in order. Both the GOP and the Democrats have relatives working in media and in government. In varying degrees they all have the potential to influence policy and opinions. The fact that Trump has put people in positions of power who he knows and trusts should not surprise. Neither should it surprise when he turfs out those he does not think are serving him well. It is clear he wants to keep his job and he will be judged by voters. If your concerns about nepotism lead to poor out comes then Trump will be defeated. It never did with the Kennedys.  

I didn't say anything about the Trump kids.

I just wanted you to clarify that you believed it is nepotism, specifically Kushner, more than the previous business careers you mentioned as qualifications.

It is my opinion that Jared has been given too many hats to wear and they are really big appointments. Like a lot of Trump decisions I believe it has more to do with loyalty to him vs the best person for the role. 

I don't care how many times any other politician has done similar. It should be pointed out, called out, discouraged. 

 

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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

You are focused on the Trump kids and Kushner the son in law. If nepotism is the key concern then a complete review of the full 4000 appointees and their relationships would be in order. Both the GOP and the Democrats have relatives working in media and in government. In varying degrees they all have the potential to influence policy and opinions. The fact that Trump has put people in positions of power who he knows and trusts should not surprise. Neither should it surprise when he turfs out those he does not think are serving him well. It is clear he wants to keep his job and he will be judged by voters. If your concerns about nepotism lead to poor out comes then Trump will be defeated. It never did with the Kennedys.  

You see, you've bought in here - they're not supposed to serve HIM well...they're intended to serve the country well.  That's where the focus should be. They do serve him well and that's likely more of a problem than an asset...they're his family and the self interest in running a country is obvious.  

 

The problem is he had celebrity status before barging into the White House and that propelled him there.  He also entertained the rich and they stick together...not because they're the best to run the country, but because they want to assert their power and make decisions that will keep them rich (mostly). 

 

Sadly there are so many in this day and age who would probably vote in a Kardashian based on..."hey, I follow them on Instagram".   It isn't his fault he gets voted for, but it is a bit of an issue when you see someone so hellbent on his way or the highway - "YOU'RE FIRED" was his catch phrase long before he got into office.  Where ego is so obvious and self absorption has him tweet out things a 16 year old would...this man's running one of the most powerful countries in the world and his go to is "best, biggest".  Bragging, gloating...as my Dad used to say "trying to dazzle with brilliance but he's just baffling people with his bullpoop".   Selling you a bridge (and a hotel?).

 

He really isn't "fit" to run a country from what most intelligent people are saying and they ARE saying it.  Power, popularity and status got him there but those things also started a ME TOO movement so they're not always used for a greater good.  Many exploit those positions so consider that.  The ol' gentleman's clubs of the past where it wasn't what you knew, it was who you knew that mattered.  Things are changing...slowly, but some are opening their eyes to a man who's a dinosaur.

 

There are people who love The Jerry Springer Show too...doesn't mean they are "fit" to decide on important world matters.  Those who think someone can heal them with magical fairy dust so they don't need medicine or science.  Even if they do get to vote, it's scary more than anything.  Maybe voting should come with an IQ test...something proving an active brain cell. Yes, democracy means everyone has a say but some people are driving a buss of racism and hatred to rally their troops and that, alone, is just plain wrong.  A nation divided.  Hopefully the people will get out and vote...those who thought there was no way in hell he'd get in the first time.

 

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9 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I don't care how many times any other politician has done similar. It should be pointed out, called out, discouraged. 

 

Times are changing and I think that's something that matters.

 

People also used to have slaves.  Women couldn't vote.  Etc.

 

The world evolves and so should how things are done in accordance with that.  Trump's stuck in 1967.

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2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

You see, you've bought in here - they're not supposed to serve HIM well...they're intended to serve the country well.  That's where the focus should be. They do serve him well and that's likely more a problem them an asset...they're his family and the self interest in running a country is obvious.  

 

The problem is he had celebrity status before barging into the White House.  There are so many in this day and age who would probably vote in a Kardashian based on..."hey, I follow them on Instagram".   It isn't his fault he gets voted for, but it is a bit of an issue when you see someone so hellbent on his way or the highway - "YOU'RE FIRED" was his catch phrase long before he got into office.  Where ego is so obvious and self absorption has him tweet out things a 16 year old would...this man's running one of the most powerful countries in the world and his go to is "best, biggest".  Bragging, gloating and selling you a bridge (and a hotel?).

 

He really isn't "fit" to run a country from what most intelligent people are saying....power and status got him there but those things also started a ME TOO movement so they're not always used for a greater good.  Many exploit those positions so consider that.  The ol' gentleman's clubs of the past where it wasn't what you knew, it was who you knew mattered.  Things are changing...slowly, but he's a dinosaur.

 

There are people who love The Jerry Springer Show too...doesn't mean they are "fit" to decide on important world matters.  Even if they do get to vote.  It's scary.

 

What you say can be true. Your example of the Kardashian's is a great one. Just as I am not prepared to abnegate my citizen rights to her ilk neither can I to those who are deemed intelligent by you or the media or whoever. I am not saying that opinions should not come to bear but ultimately people have to assume responsibility for their electoral actions. You are almost suggesting that since Trump is not qualified to be POTUS, in your opinion, that he should be removed. That is a very dangerous suggestion. 

 

I could say the same thing about Trudeau who I consider a failure. I could likely come up with some intelligent people who would agree. However the bottom line is that he is the PM and will be until a non confidence vote happens. People will have to deal with a federal government that controls far more of the GDP of this country and a country that is in a debt structure that cannot be paid. We can only hope that the full ramifications will be known before the next election.  

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Anybody want to quote this post and tell me how Trump's done a good job in response to the pandemic. 

 

Please quote the 311,000+ cases (and growing rapidly) and 970/cases per million people (also growing), the lack of listening to experts who he disregarded back in January, the lack of proper social distancing policy for weeks leading to this huge number of infected people (and the reluctance of a bunch of republican governors from still enacting social distancing measures). Furthermore, he had months to prepare but is now scrambling to get supplies. The government got rid of their pandemic team which could've helped America get a leg up on the virus. 

 

I can say he was quick to ban travel from China, which was good. 

 

You can also compare vs. Canada which was much quicker to act and thus, cases per capita are far lower. Our hospitals in BC sit empty in preparation for a CoVid surge ,which hasn't come yet. The two countries had the same time to act from the time the virus blew up in China, Iran, and Italy, a big advantage over the EU countries.  

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38 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm saying the idea of a 'good job' won't have anything to do with how most people vote in the US, and in particular republicans who support Trump on ideology and not facts. 

 

Its funny to me that you think republicans would even consider switching, there isn't a set of facts that would move them off their vote. 

Exactly right. In certain areas of the US, the GOP could run a shaved ape (some would argue that they did) and Republicans would vote vote for it over a Democrat, no matter how qualified.

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29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm saying the idea of a 'good job' won't have anything to do with how most people vote in the US, and in particular republicans who support Trump on ideology and not facts. 

 

Its funny to me that you think republicans would even consider switching, there isn't a set of facts that would move them off their vote. 

I think you could easily question what ideology exists on the right in both the GOP and CPC. IMHO the left is far more ideological and having greater success. Does Trump get some slack from GOP members, I suppose. Does that exist with Democrats, I suppose. With all the info streams that exist in society consuming accurate info is a challenge. 

I don't trust politicians who buy votes with my money and they are ALL doing it now with no thought of how it will be paid for. 

 

What I want of politicians is a philosophy based within the grassroots. No professional politicians or government mandarins defining the conversation. I am reading Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" with great interest right now. 

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