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3 hours ago, Boudrias said:

He also sold ground to air defence systems to Ukraine. He also didn’t get sucked into ground forces in Syria that the Dems and McCain wanted. Amazing that the Sunnis embrace Israel and that doesn’t make news?

In terms of Syria, if you look at the percentage of voters from the military, Trump lost a huge number of voters from removing ground forces. The Kurds were a major ally of the states in the region and they were left to just fend for themselves.

 

So while you talk like it was a good thing, it also had major consequences, and we're not talking good consequences here. It really swayed the balance in Syria in a negative way.

 

As far as the Sunnis embracing Israel goes, he also threw Palastine under the bus in the process which will likely increase conflict in the region, not the other way around as he claims.

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15 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

That's just it.....I could totally see JC saying to the Big Guy, "5 minutes, right? Isn't it supposed to be 5 minutes?"

5 minutes is survivable, though. That long with out Oxygen would only confirm his current mental abilities. I’m sure JC has enough patience for a solid 15-20

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1 minute ago, Canorth said:

5 minutes is survivable, though. That long with out Oxygen would only confirm his current mental abilities. I’m sure JC has enough patience for a solid 15-20

For a junk food loving, obese, septuagenarian? I'm not even sure he'd last 50 seconds....

 

....but I'd love to see your theory put to the test.....

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Just now, nuckin_futz said:

Bombshell audio of a call between Trump, Chief of Staff Meadows and others with Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger. Where Trump tells him to "find" him 11,780 votes to overturn the election result in Georgia. The entire phone call is online. If this walking/talking colostomy bag wasn't leaving office in 2 weeks he'd get impeached again over this call.

 

'I just want to find 11,780 votes': Trump attacks Georgia officials as crucial runoffs approach

ATLANTA — Just two days before the Georgia runoffs that will determine the leadership of the Senate and one day before a rally on behalf of the Republican candidates, President Trump has continued to unload on the GOP officials leading the state.

 

In an extraordinary development, Trump attempted to cajole Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, according to the Washington Post, which published audio of their call on Sunday.

 

“So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump told Raffensperger, laying bare his overriding goal of overturning the November election results.

 

President-elect Joe Biden won Georgia on Nov. 3, the first time the state had gone for a Democratic candidate since 1992. Despite three vote recounts, Trump has continued to insist that the voting was tainted, casting a wide range of allegations without any credible evidence to back up his assertions.

 

Trump continued to attack Raffensperger while addressing their call hours before the Post published the audio.

 

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia,” Trump tweeted. “He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters,’ dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

 

“Respectfully, President Trump,” Raffensperger replied on Twitter, “What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out.”

 

On Sunday afternoon, the truth did come out in the form of the Post publishing audio of the conversation. In the course of the call, Trump attempted on multiple occasions to induce Raffensperger to change the results of the election, one way or another.

 

“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

 

“Well, Mr. President,” Raffensperger responded, “the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”

 

Trump’s extraordinary attacks on Georgia’s electoral process come at a particularly perilous time for Republicans, who are seeking to maintain their majority in the Senate. Incumbent GOP Sen. David Perdue and Sen. Kelly Loeffler are in tight races against Democratic challengers Jon Ossoff and Rev. Raphael Warnock, respectively.

 

If Republicans win either of the two races, they’ll keep their Senate majority and the ability to constrain Biden’s agenda and key nominees. If Democrats win both races, the Senate will be split 50-50, with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris breaking the tie in the party’s favor.

 

Trump’s focus on his electoral loss in Georgia has forced Loeffler and Perdue to walk a rhetorical tightrope, trying to woo voters to return to the polls while not actively countering Trump’s claims that Georgia’s election system can’t be trusted. And Trump has shown no signs of relenting in his criticism of the state’s electoral process.

 

“Republicans in Georgia must be careful of the political corruption in Fulton County, which is rampant,” Trump tweeted Sunday. “The Governor, @BrianKempGA, and his puppet Lt. Governor, @GeoffDuncanGA, have done less than nothing. They are a disgrace to the great people of Georgia!”

 

There are nevertheless signs that the Republican candidates are trying to put some daylight between themselves and Trump. Loeffler’s statewide December barnstorming tour, for instance, was called the “Senate Firewall Tour” — a concept that appears to accept the reality of the incoming Biden administration and Harris’s potential tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

 

More significantly, neither Loeffler nor Perdue has signed on to an effort by nearly a dozen Republican senators to oppose certification of election results. Trump noticed, retweeting a call for the two Republicans to join him: “Why are my own #GA Senators @KLoeffler & @Perduesenate not supporting this effort?”

 

Trump is set to speak Monday night in Dalton, Ga., in support of Loeffler and Perdue. But in his previous rally in December, Trump spent little time whipping up enthusiasm for the candidates, instead focusing on himself and his electoral loss.

 

The president’s supporters have gone so far as to tell Republicans not to vote in the election in order to expose the alleged corruption in the system. Billboards around Georgia have appeared with Loeffler and Perdue’s photos and the accompanying slogan “Perdue/Loeffler didn’t deliver for Trump. DON’T deliver for them.”

 

Trump seemed to feed into that on his call with Raffensperger. “You have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam,” he said. “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. OK? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”

 

Multiple Republican voters interviewed by Yahoo News over the course of the campaign have indicated that they intended to vote, but not without some trepidation.

 

“I have no clue how they do [voting tabulation] today,” said Doug Wright of Milton at a recent rally featuring Ivanka Trump. “But I will always vote for the Republican Party.”

 

“We’ve been concerned about a lot of what the president’s been saying, people voting from out of state, dead people voting,” said a man at the same rally who would identify himself only as “Andrew.” But when asked he and his wife, Brandy, would vote, both immediately answered, “Absolutely.”

 

Early voting in the runoff election has concluded, and Election Day is on Tuesday.

The funny thing is even if Trump magically was able to "find" those votes, he's still not president.

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3 hours ago, Boudrias said:

He also sold ground to air defence systems to Ukraine. He also didn’t get sucked into ground forces in Syria that the Dems and McCain wanted. Amazing that the Sunnis embrace Israel and that doesn’t make news?

It has made news....

 

But also none of the countries 'embracing Israel' are the ones who have problems with Israel. When Lebanon, Iran and Palestine are not viciously opposed to Israel or vice versa then we have some real news. Frankly the real middle east issue now is SA and their actions in Yemen. 

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19 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

For a junk food loving, obese, septuagenarian? I'm not even sure he'd last 50 seconds....

 

....but I'd love to see your theory put to the test.....

Sorry, I meant 5 minutes with out O2 is survivable... if proper CPR is done in time. Anoxia brain injuries happen there after. Which would be difficult to detect in this man

 

I’d rather be sure. 15-20 minutes is a done deal. 

 

Done.
 

 

 

 

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Desperate Don is unsurprisingly left with extortion, abuse of office, and threats as he flails about. 
 

Again, we expected this. 
 

This won’t be the end. There will be a last gasp criminal attempt by Desperate Don. 

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19 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Desperate Don is unsurprisingly left with extortion, abuse of office, and threats as he flails about. 
 

Again, we expected this. 
 

This won’t be the end. There will be a last gasp criminal attempt by Desperate Don. 

I'm going with ..... shows up unexpectedly at the inauguration. Comes running (OK waddling) out of nowhere and rips the bible out of Biden's hand.

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1 hour ago, Canorth said:

Sorry, I meant 5 minutes with out O2 is survivable... if proper CPR is done in time. Anoxia brain injuries happen there after. Which would be difficult to detect in this man

 

I’d rather be sure. 15-20 minutes is a done deal. 

 

Done.

Generally, I believe that Bone Spurs isn't worth 15 minutes of my time....

 

....but for that, I'd make an exception....

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48 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

I'm going with ..... shows up unexpectedly at the inauguration. Comes running (OK waddling) out of nowhere and rips the bible out of Biden's hand.

"Ima let you finish, but first...."

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