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4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

I've never really been able to understand exporters that are also hard core isolationists. Unless you have something that no one else can replace it seems like a self defeating strategy to me. 

I wouldn’t say that the farmers were isolationists more that they saw others getting a more competitive advantage because of CAP distribution, and the UK got a rebate because of this (but never went to the farmers) but government just went sorry we cannot help big bad EU makes the rules.

 

Hear enough of this and they start to believe it 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

man thats going to be hard on the dairy farmers. I like a chunk of Wensleydale every now and then but there's no way the UK is going to find new export markets for all of this outside of the EU. 

 

The UK is going to be paying dairy farmers not to produce at some point, if they aren't already.

Might have to settle for some Red Leicester.....B)

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2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Might have to settle for some Red Leicester.....B)

 We do decent cheese over here as well,

not just cheddar, Red Leicester and the mass produced stuff 

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1 hour ago, UKNuck96 said:

 We do decent cheese over here as well,

not just cheddar, Red Leicester and the mass produced stuff 

It depends on the location....I hear Illchester is staggeringly popular in some manors....B)

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https://www.thecheesesociety.co.uk/products/cheese/
 

some is European but most are

British. Where I used to live had a shop near me, could get some lovely cheeses. Lincolnshire Poacher is a nice one to try 

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1 minute ago, UKNuck96 said:

https://www.thecheesesociety.co.uk/products/cheese/
 

some is European but most are

British. Where I used to live had a shop near me, could get some lovely cheeses. Lincolnshire Poacher is a nice one to try 

I get most of my cheese related information from Michael Palin.....

 

 

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Many of us have been speculating since Brexit was passed, that Scotland might hold another Independence referendum......Nicola Sturgeon says it's a matter of when, not if:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sturgeon-scotland-independence-vote-matter-of-when-not-if/ar-BB1gx1dz?li=AAggFp4
 

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Scotland's leader told British Prime Minister Boris Johnson Sunday that a second Scottish independence referendum is “a matter of when, not if," after her party won its fourth straight parliamentary election.

Johnson has invited the leaders of the U.K.’s devolved nations for crisis talks on the union after the regional election results rolled in, saying the U.K. was “best served when we work together” and that the devolved governments in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should co-operate on plans to recover from the coronavirus pandemic.

But Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's first minister and leader of the Scottish National Party, told Johnson in a call that while her immediate focus was on steering Scotland to recovery, a new referendum on Scotland's breakup from the rest of the U.K. is inevitable.

Sturgeon reiterated “her intention to ensure that the people of Scotland can choose our own future when the crisis is over, and made clear that the question of a referendum is now a matter of when — not if,” her office said.

Earlier, she said she wouldn't rule out legislation paving the way for a vote at the start of next year.

Final results of Thursday’s local elections showed that the SNP won 64 of the 129 seats in the Edinburgh-based Scottish Parliament. Although it fell one seat short of securing an overall majority, the parliament still had a pro-independence majority with the help of eight members of the Scottish Greens.

Sturgeon said the election results proved that a second independence vote for Scotland was “the will of the country” and that any London politician who stood in the way would be “picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people.”

Johnson has the ultimate authority whether or not to permit another referendum on Scotland gaining independence. He wrote in Saturday’s Daily Telegraph that another referendum on Scotland would be “irresponsible and reckless” as Britain emerges from the pandemic. He has consistently argued that the issue was settled in a 2014 referendum where 55% of Scottish voters favoured remaining part of the U.K.

But proponents of another vote say the situation has changed fundamentally because of the U.K's Brexit divorce from the European Union. They charge that Scotland was taken out of the EU against its will. In the 2016 Brexit referendum, 52% of U.K. voters backed leaving the EU, but 62% of Scots voted to remain.

When asked about the prospect of Johnson agreeing to a second Scottish referendum, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove said Sunday “it’s not an issue for the moment” and stressed that the national priority is on recovering from the coronavirus pandemic.

Gove argued that the SNP's failure to secure a majority in the Scottish Parliament was in marked contrast to the party's heights of power in 2011, when it won a 69-seat majority.

“It is not the case now — as we see — that the people of Scotland are agitating for a referendum," he told the BBC.

The Scotland results have been the main focus of Thursday's local elections across Britain. In Wales, the opposition Labour Party did better than expected, extending its 22 years at the helm of the Welsh government despite falling one seat short of a majority.

Labour's support also held up in some big cities. In London, Mayor Sadiq Khan handily won a second term. Other winning Labour mayoral candidates included Steve Rotherham in the Liverpool City Region, Andy Burnham in Greater Manchester and Dan Norris in the West of England region, which includes Bristol.

 

 

 

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That’s the ongoing battle over here and hardly new news. It’s been rumbling since the original referendum, as the stay campaign promises Scotland the only way to stay in the EU was as part of the UK and the debating on the original indyref was that it was supposed to be once in a generation unless there were material changed - which is what the SNP are calling brexit, 

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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

It's quite runny sir...

I don't care how ****ing runny it is.....

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Any other country in the world and that would have been called a resounding victory for the SNP. I think far too much emphasis was placed on getting a majority beforehand, when under the D'Hondt system it was always a long shot. Only one seat short though and a clear parliamentary majority for independence.

 

The country is essentially split down the middle. Quite interesting looking at the contrast in opinion between the older and younger generations.

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So the next big battle is on the UK Australia trade deal.

 

key sticking points are around the import of Australian beef and lamb. 
 

in the UK average herd size of beef cattle is 27 cows, in Australia is in the 10s of thousands. The cost point between then is astronomical, meaning that it’s cheaper to import Australian beef than get it from a local farm. 
 

tje brexitieers are pushing for unabated free trade and to hell with the fall out of it 

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2 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

So the next big battle is on the UK Australia trade deal.

 

key sticking points are around the import of Australian beef and lamb. 
 

in the UK average herd size of beef cattle is 27 cows, in Australia is in the 10s of thousands. The cost point between then is astronomical, meaning that it’s cheaper to import Australian beef than get it from a local farm. 
 

tje brexitieers are pushing for unabated free trade and to hell with the fall out of it 

Are you going to be offering Irish convicts again?

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1 minute ago, UKNuck96 said:

They can have Arlene Foster 

That ought to get you a tub of vegemite....

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5 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

So the next big battle is on the UK Australia trade deal.

 

key sticking points are around the import of Australian beef and lamb. 
 

in the UK average herd size of beef cattle is 27 cows, in Australia is in the 10s of thousands. The cost point between then is astronomical, meaning that it’s cheaper to import Australian beef than get it from a local farm. 
 

tje brexitieers are pushing for unabated free trade and to hell with the fall out of it 

But I am assuming that the UK beef would be higher quality than Australian? 

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15 minutes ago, drummer4now said:

But I am assuming that the UK beef would be higher quality than Australian? 

Potentially, but it’s the same cattle breeds they use. 
 

it’s also the issue of space - in the UK we cannot reach the same level of scale the US and Australia can, and their welfare standards in some areas are actually better then ours and other areas not quite as good but I would say overall it’s fairly comparable.

 

im not usually one for protectionism but the issue is that brexit was supposed to be the land of milk and honey yet at every turn instead of benefitting the UK it seems things are being sold off or sacrificed on the alter of dogmatic policy, yet people still keep voting Tory!

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About 10 days ago:

 

U.K. Elections: Conservatives Make Gains; Pro-Independence Parties Win In Scotland

 

 

Results from local and regional elections in the U.K. gave Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party a boost Saturday, while pro-independence parties won a majority in Scotland's parliament.

Voters went to the polls on Thursday to decide the makeup of the Scottish and Welsh parliaments, as well as the mayors of England's largest cities, including London and Manchester. Voters also chose local councils, police commissioners and other local authorities, prompting some in England to dub it "Super Thursday."

The last time voters went to the polls in the U.K. was in 2019, as elections were postponed last year due to the coronavirus pandemic.

A special election was held in the town of Hartlepool in northern England where Britain's governing Conservative Party won a parliamentary seat previously held by the Labour Party since 1974.

During a visit to Hartlepool, Prime Minister Boris Johnson commended his party's election victory. "I think what this election shows is that people want a party and a government that is focused on them, focused on delivering change," he said.

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