thad Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 20 minutes ago, oldnews said: This Markus Granlund is already one of my favorite players. First of all, he's a Finn. You gotta have a Finn if you have any hope in hell of winning anything. Everyone knows that. Second, Tony and his gaggle of idiots over at the Province don't know the player or understand why he was acquired. They've got their "scout" hats on again, and after ordaining Cody Hodgson the next one, had elected Hunter Shinkaruk as his successor. You see, the Province knows prospects, knows hockey. And not only have they employed the pre-eminent hockey mind in the history of the city, but they've found someone for him to mentor in the crypt - the budding genius Jason Botchford. Most respected hockey minds in the business. Third, Granlund is considered a two way player. That is a swear word to highlight reel fans everywhere. And drunk 'analysts' that mistake those words for 'not elite at anything'. Everyone knows you don't win with Patrice Bergeron types - what you need is a Phil Kessel ! Elite goal scorers - the Cup follows them around like love puppies. And we just traded the next Patrick Kane. This makes me happy, because it'll bring pain to the loudmouth complainers in the media and fanbase. But we got the next Patrice Bergeron. This also makes me happy because it makes other people unhappy. I already liked Granlund, but the disappointment and hate has really driven his value sky high in my mind. Welcome to Vancouver Markus. Best of luck. Don't listen to a fn thing you hear or read lol. Lol well said, man! I hope Granlund buries 5 on Thursday and wins you a million bucks via Safeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Yotes said: no chance Zalewski or Gaunce get a shot at 4c next year? I know Gaunce can be lw but he has lately been primarily a C. I hope the Canucks decide to keep Sutter at C, he is our only RH C on the list if Vey is gone Sutter with the twins taking the majority of draws and 200' burdens off Hank's aging shoulders. Then Horvat, Granlund and Zalewski as 2, 3 and 4c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Gino Brash Ryp Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Don't see why van picked up another c when they're going to be stacked in that position going into next year. Hank MATHEWS Bo Sutter McCann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I seriously don't get this trade. Stupid move. Canucks concern: His production in the AHL wont translate to the NHL? FFS! We're not going anywhere this year anyways. Play him and see what happens. Whats the worst case scenario? Canucks are right and he's worth less? Can't be worth that much less than Granlund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I was hoping to at least see one game with Shinkaruk and Etem playing on the same line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, J.R. said: Sutter with the twins taking the majority of draws and 200' burdens off Hank's aging shoulders. Then Horvat, Granlund and Zalewski as 2, 3 and 4c. Gotta say I actually really like the idea of Sutter centering the Sedins, like bookends. Henrik has been playing hurt (it appears), maybe his back, and he seems labored when taking the faceoff. I'm assuming Sutter would be the guy to get in the corners and fight for the puck. Cool idea JR I'm really looking forward to seeing Granlund play on Thursday. Any idea what number he'll wear? He was #60 in CGY. Also, I checked his stats so far this year. 7 pts in 31 games. Ouch. Maybe he never got much ice time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, playboi19 said: I was hoping to at least see one game with Shinkaruk and Etem playing on the same line. Maybe Benning will trade Etem to CGY as well. If anything that's what bothers me about this trade - to a divisional opponent we have a rivalry with. This trade could be scrutinized for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 53 minutes ago, shayster007 said: Actually... We have Sedin Baer and hopefully Rodin. Gaunce is a a natural C but I will also let you have that because he does play good hockey on the left. Etem and Dorsett are both right wingers, not left. 4 does not qualify enough depth to trade our best Lw prospect. Here's for hoping we steal Drouin. Also... Less at centre? Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, McCann, Vey, Cracknell (guess he walks), and Zalewski. I disagree. My bad. I am so used to Burrows and Hansen on the right side. Dorsett was paired on the opposite wing as Hansen last year, Burrows to Etem this year. "Brendan Gaunce maybe doesn’t have the offensive skill set like Hunter but all the details in his game are there so when we call (Gaunce) up, he can adjust to the pro game and help our team win.” It sounds like Benning was comparing Gauce to Shinkaruk as left wingers, although that is just an assumption. Gaunce has mostly played LW with Utica although he has played primarily Centre since Vey got called up. "Benning said the organization would like to bring back Anton Rodin, a second-round pick from the Gillis era that struggled in two seasons in the AHL before he went back to Sweden to play for Brynas IF, where he’s had success, for next season. Benning admitted this factored into the decision to move Shinkaruk". Yup. http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2016/02/22/canucks-reportedly-trade-hunter-shinkaruk-to-calgary.html Vey is a free agent, McCann is AHL eligible next season. It would be good for him to play as the number 1 centre next year and get stronger (he would have played in the AHL this year if he could). Zalewski and Gaunce can line up LW or Centre (Gaunce plays RW as well). Granlund can also play left wing. Perhaps there is another move in the works? Either way, Granlund seems to offer more flexibility and is more NHL ready. I still like Shinkaruk's upside more, and like seeing players we draft succeed in our organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 great trade for Vancouver. Shinkaruk is not on the plan for Jim Bennings vision of the Vancouver Canucks. His vision I personally believe that not include under sized wingers, who are weak a long the boards and with the puck. Not to mention Jim Benning probably and also consulting with his scouts/management probably don't think he will be a consistent top 6 in the NHL. We turned that issue into a already NHL player, and not to mention up and coming wingers for the Canucks include Baertchi, Virtanen and Boeser. Add to that, Daneil Sedin is still here, maybe (Free Agent winger) and maybe Gaunce and Etem who are already better then Shinkaruk (maybe Gaunce, and add to that, the soon to be (2016 drafted winger) this makes it a perfect trade for the Vancouer Canucks. At this point lets be honest, he does not have NHL potential at this point and if you ask me, he's probably fallen behind a lot of prospects. So I think this is a great prospect, and again we will probably make that up probably drafting a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: Sutter with the twins taking the majority of draws and 200' burdens off Hank's aging shoulders. Then Horvat, Granlund and Zalewski as 2, 3 and 4c. If we're considering doing that long term then I think we should look to get a solid return on Hansen. If we cant get what we want we keep him obviously, but it's either that or we don't have spots for younger players and we move on from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugiwara Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I have a question , decide jb the trades alone or sitting willie and Travor next to him and Talk about the Situation, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 8 hours ago, meh_wassup said: 1. Even if there are more trades coming, Shinkaruk is a scorer, one of the very few pure scorers we have as a prospect and shipping him out before giving him a chance (and he's ready for it) is a huge mistake. 2. So you're saying that none of the other 29 teams would be ok with giving up B/B+ Dman prospect that they would be willing to give up for a prospect with 1st line scoring potential? Now who's making assumptions? Have you read literally nothing about the trade? Benning tired to get a defensive prospect for Shinkaruk but no team was keen to make that deal. You can't change that fact no matter how hard you cover your ears and pretend it isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 53 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: My bad. I am so used to Burrows and Hansen on the right side. Dorsett was paired on the opposite wing as Hansen last year, Burrows to Etem this year. "Brendan Gaunce maybe doesn’t have the offensive skill set like Hunter but all the details in his game are there so when we call (Gaunce) up, he can adjust to the pro game and help our team win.” It sounds like Benning was comparing Gauce to Shinkaruk as left wingers, although that is just an assumption. Gaunce has mostly played LW with Utica although he has played primarily Centre since Vey got called up. "Benning said the organization would like to bring back Anton Rodin, a second-round pick from the Gillis era that struggled in two seasons in the AHL before he went back to Sweden to play for Brynas IF, where he’s had success, for next season. Benning admitted this factored into the decision to move Shinkaruk". Yup. http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2016/02/22/canucks-reportedly-trade-hunter-shinkaruk-to-calgary.html Vey is a free agent, McCann is AHL eligible next season. It would be good for him to play as the number 1 centre next year and get stronger (he would have played in the AHL this year if he could). Zalewski and Gaunce can line up LW or Centre (Gaunce plays RW as well). Granlund can also play left wing. Perhaps there is another move in the works? Either way, Granlund seems to offer more flexibility and is more NHL ready. I still like Shinkaruk's upside more, and like seeing players we draft succeed in our organization. I completely agree with all out everything you said bud, I just don't like the trade yet myself. I will keep an open mind though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, Winter Soldier said: Have you read literally nothing about the trade? Benning tired to get a defensive prospect for Shinkaruk but no team was keen to make that deal. You can't change that fact no matter how hard you cover your ears and pretend it isn't true. And for that reason I think Benning should have held on to Shink. But what's done is done. Hopefully Granlund doesn't ruin our chances of a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 hours ago, shayster007 said: Actually... We have Sedin Baer and hopefully Rodin. Gaunce is a a natural C but I will also let you have that because he does play good hockey on the left. Etem and Dorsett are both right wingers, not left. 4 does not qualify enough depth to trade our best Lw prospect. Here's for hoping we steal Drouin. Also... Less at centre? Sedin, Sutter, Horvat, McCann, Vey, Cracknell (guess he walks), and Zalewski. I disagree. Rodin's a RW. We don't have a lot of room there, so maybe he has to play LW, but he's a left shot who is a shooter so he should play his off wing. Drouin for instance is the opposite and left handed shot playing LW, but that's because he handles the puck more as a playmaker. I'd be ok with going after him if the price is cheap, but of course it won't be and we'd be basically looking to upgrade on Baertschi but still have risk that we might not want to move Baertschi until we know how it turns out. That doesn't leave a lot of spots. But if we did, in a year or two: Sedin Sedin Sutter Baertschi Horvat Rodin Drouin McCann Virtanen Gaunce Granlund Dorsett Etem Grenier A little bit of size there but not a lot, and not much physicality or grit. Maybe we see Grenier stick and Rodin's place (moving Virtanen back up) but he's not overly physical for his size. Neither is Etem. Boeser would be here in a couple of years, but there are still some question marks about a lineup like that in the Pacific. If they can fight through and outscore other teams, then sure, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, shayster007 said: I completely agree with all out everything you said bud, I just don't like the trade yet myself. I will keep an open mind though. I hate the trade too, just trying to see it, or at least understand it from Benning's side. One thing that seems to be forgotten though in the loss of Shinkaruk is what we got back in Granlund. Some Flames fans say we will be impressed. I even found the Hodgson - Kassian trade easier to justify at the time. 1. Hodgson's dad made him a high maintenance player. 2. Tough guys who can score were extremely valuable at the time. Clowe, Clarkson etc signed huge deals, so we weren't the only team going that route. Kassian was very much capable of being one of these rare players. 3. We had Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler in the one-two spot. The team was built to win, and needed toughness more than a soft, scoring centre. While we had a lot of centres this year, our depth sucked. Horvat had to do way too much with Sutter's absence. Granlund at least looks like someone more capable of eating big minutes vs Vey, Cracknell, McCann, Zalewski etc. in case a Horvat, Sutter, or Sedin goes down next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Goblin Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Because of this trade by Benning, MG doesn't seem so crazy anymore. I think Granlund will be able to help us now, but Shinkaruk could become an all-star in the future. He's basically Drouin 2.0 (without the bad attitude). I hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Green Goblin said: Because of this trade by Benning, MG doesn't seem so crazy anymore. I think Granlund will be able to help us now, but Shinkaruk could become an all-star in the future. He's basically Drouin 2.0 (without the bad attitude). I hope I'm wrong. Shinkaruk could also be a total bust... Or Granlund who's put up BETTER numbers than Shinkaruk could become an all star too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 hours ago, peaches5 said: Ani Lorak. the Lorax cleans up real nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Goblin Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Shinkaruk could also be a total bust... Or Granlund who's put up BETTER numbers than Shinkaruk could become an all star too... Granlund could also become an all star because he's only 1.5 years older than Hunter, but Shinkaruk has all the tools to become an elite goal scorer in the NHL. The fact that JB didn't give Shinkaruk more than 6 minutes to prove himself is just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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