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[Trade] Canucks trade Hunter Shinkaruk to Flames for Markus Granlund


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11 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

Sorry I meant for next year. 

 

At LW we have Sedin, Baertschi, Dorsett, Etem, Gaunce and likely Rodin vying for spots. I guess they didn't see Shinkaruk making it over those guys. Much less competition at centre than LW next year.

The whole "no room for Shinkaruk" argument is a moot point, because Bärtschi can/has played on the right side, before. 

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27 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

I am okay with the trade because I trust the judgmenet of our management team that has like 100 years more of valuable hockey experience than I do.. However I will say that if trading Shinkaruk was always the plan, and it sounds like it was, I would have thought that you could have added him to a deal either at the deadline or at the draft as a SIGNIFICANT sweetener.

 

Overreacting to a deal like this is, quite literally, a waste of energy. We have no way of knowing who 'won' the trade until both Granlund and Shinkaruk play a significant number of NHL games... IF they ever even get to that point.

This was actually my first reaction when I heard of the deal. Would a highly skilled first rounder not add any value to make a deal sweeter?  My next reaction was, did JB even talk to any other teams about this or was he singularly focused on getting Granlund?

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7 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

This was actually my first reaction when I heard of the deal. Would a highly skilled first rounder not add any value to make a deal sweeter?  My next reaction was, did JB even talk to any other teams about this or was he singularly focused on getting Granlund?

Or did most of the other GM's around the league feel the same way about Shinkaruk as the Canucks seemingly did?

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This is a heads up for all non drafted Jimmy Benning players? 

We have needed overhaul of our D in the worst way ,so what doe JB do he goes out of his way to make a splash in TDL market place to buy Another Center in Granlund.

I have nothing against Granlund,but not sure if we got a slightly better version of Vey.Granlund who is slower skater an worse on face offs,not sure about his half wall game?He is also on the smallish side for a center not really gonna be a third line center? Or fourth to small? 

 

So so will he also be gifted second power play minutes too behind Vey? 

Just do not see the urgency why at this time it really detracts from all the vet BS going on in that Prust an Higgens were buried in the minors.

As a patch seems like a good move but why send message to other prospects I. The system don,t worry we will trade you when you are close to prime time ready for a diminishing return to the franchise.

 

This trade does nothing for me .I like the Etem trade better he is the type of stock we need  ,speed grit raw unrefined talent + a bigger player for our western conference wars.We need big fast gritty centres who can play any which way you like this deal does not do it for me.Not sure gonna ever see any dazzle dazzle from this GM ever.

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Just now, bobbyg43 said:

This is a heads up for all non drafted Jimmy Benning players? 

We have needed overhaul of our D in the worst way ,so what doe JB do he goes out of his way to make a splash in TDL market place to buy Another Center in Granlund.

I have nothing against Granlund,but not sure if we got a slightly better version of Vey.Granlund who is slower skater an worse on face offs,not sure about his half wall game?He is also on the smallish side for a center not really gonna be a third line center? Or fourth to small? 

 

So so will he also be gifted second power play minutes too behind Vey? 

Just do not see the urgency why at this time it really detracts from all the vet BS going on in that Prust an Higgens were buried in the minors.

As a patch seems like a good move but why send message to other prospects I. The system don,t worry we will trade you when you are close to prime time ready for a diminishing return to the franchise.

 

This trade does nothing for me .I like the Etem trade better he is the type of stock we need  ,speed grit raw unrefined talent + a bigger player for our western conference wars.We need big fast gritty centres who can play any which way you like this deal does not do it for me.Not sure gonna ever see any dazzle dazzle from this GM ever.

Are you not aware that Granlund had the same offensive numbers in the AHL as Hunter had for Utica this year? Did you also know that having defensive acumen does not have to come at the cost of offensive ability? 

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8 hours ago, Green Goblin said:

Not a random player and not a random draft pick. Calgary has been known to acquire 2nd round picks for bubble players on their roster. Kenins has the potential to be a great bottom 6 player if he can improve his hockey IQ. It was totally possible for us to acquire Granlund for a 2nd + prospect not named Shinkaruk. Calgary is high on their 2nds, no way they wouldn't considering it after they gifted Baer to us last season.

 

What does that have to do with my post? Pro scouts can only watch so many games, but none of that really matters because they weren't NHL games. I'm not saying the trade was a huge overpayment, it was actually pretty close statistically (AHL). You should consider the fact that Shink was playing injured/weaker in his first pro year. And if we gave Shinkaruk at least 9 NHL games minimum this year, we could see where he is in terms of his development and truly assess his value.

 

Absolutely, Shinkaruk could be a boom/bust. But that doesn't mean you trade him without a justified NHL chance.

 

It's not a knee-jerk reaction when I provide supporting factual evidence based on precedent transactions.

I don't think you really understand the term "factual evidence"?

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1 hour ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

I am okay with the trade because I trust the judgmenet of our management team that has like 100 years more of valuable hockey experience than I do.. However I will say that if trading Shinkaruk was always the plan, and it sounds like it was, I would have thought that you could have added him to a deal either at the deadline or at the draft as a SIGNIFICANT sweetener.

 

Overreacting to a deal like this is, quite literally, a waste of energy. We have no way of knowing who 'won' the trade until both Granlund and Shinkaruk play a significant number of NHL games... IF they ever even get to that point.

I would have thought shink would be a good add on to a deadline deal too but I'm pretty sure They would have explored those options already. If there was a chance of us getting a grade A prospect for him and Hamhuis I bet he would have waited. 

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40 minutes ago, Winter Soldier said:

Are you not aware that Granlund had the same offensive numbers in the AHL as Hunter had for Utica this year? Did you also know that having defensive acumen does not have to come at the cost of offensive ability? 

Apples and oranges Shink was a winger a sniper in the making .Granlund is a two way grinder whom plays center ,and thank you,I do know the numbers I read thru whole thread home sick with flu,It was depressing to read .We are now building a defensive grinder dynasty.I am fine with two way play it is just sad to throw assets under the bus before they were given a legitimate shot on the big club. This is the. NEw management  regime second year in an yeah it's real sexy retool on the fly.

 

 

Yes I have no problem with the stats right now ,"it is what  it is "

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6 minutes ago, bobbyg43 said:

Apples and oranges Shink was a winger a sniper in the making .Granlund is a two way grinder whom plays center ,and thank you,I do know the numbers I read thru whole thread home sick with flu,It was depressing to read .We are now building a defensive grinder dynasty.I am fine with two way play it is just sad to throw assets under the bus before they were given a legitimate shot on the big club. This is the. NEw management  regime second year in an yeah it's real sexy retool on the fly.

 

 

Yes I have no problem with the stats right now ,"it is what  it is "

Wtf are you talking about?  There is nothing grinder about Granlund.  Many of his scouting reports claim elite skill.  Are you do obtuse that you don't understand that a player can have both high end skill and be good defensively?  Granlund is a better player in every zone than Shinkaruk.

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I am happy we added a Fin to the team, they have a lot of skill. I wonder if Granlund will get PP time on the 2nd unit. I know Baer just went onto top unit but he and granlund have played together so maybe slot them on the 2nd unit together. Put a net front presence on the 1st unit like virtanen or even burrows(he does it well)

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

Wtf are you talking about?  There is nothing grinder about Granlund.  Many of his scouting reports claim elite skill.  Are you do obtuse that you don't understand that a player can have both high end skill and be good defensively?  Granlund is a better player in every zone than Shinkaruk.

Sometimes it is easier for fans not to think things through. Found it interesting that Granlund was captain of the Finnish WJC team a few years back. It amazes me how people are willing to assume that Benning acts on 'instincts' and not solid assessments. Comments on Shinkaruk's progress in Utica were eye opening. We don't see those games much. When Green and Burke do commentary's I think fans should listen with open minds.

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3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Wtf are you talking about?  There is nothing grinder about Granlund.  Many of his scouting reports claim elite skill.  Are you do obtuse that you don't understand that a player can have both high end skill and be good defensively?  Granlund is a better player in every zone than Shinkaruk.

We shall see stawns we shall see.I just more little off by shuffling our lessor developed prospect out the door before he was ready an stock up on another center an yeah heard fromGM no D out there fore this exchange.WTF there are enough reprobates running around all ready shove your dictum where it is needed !

I said I accepted the transaction the timing kind of broadsided me but am fine with it after 2 days

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5 minutes ago, bobbyg43 said:

 

I said I accepted the transaction the timing kind of broadsided me but am fine with it after 2 days

I suspect most of us were blindsided but only half(?) chose to blow up and jump off the bridge. Initially I was upset but I'll be the first to admit I didn't know much about Granlund or even Shinkaruk for that matter. I'd hazzard a guess that Benning, Green and the scouts know more about these players than all of CDC combined and trades or drafts never(?) should be declared as good, bad or ugly till well after the fact. Patience is a virtue, especially in these matters.

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33 minutes ago, bobbyg43 said:

Apples and oranges Shink was a winger a sniper in the making .Granlund is a two way grinder whom plays center ,and thank you,I do know the numbers I read thru whole thread home sick with flu,It was depressing to read .We are now building a defensive grinder dynasty.I am fine with two way play it is just sad to throw assets under the bus before they were given a legitimate shot on the big club. This is the. NEw management  regime second year in an yeah it's real sexy retool on the fly.

 

 

Yes I have no problem with the stats right now ,"it is what  it is "

Granlund is no more or less a grinder than Shinkaruk is. If you'd read the thread at all you'd learn that he's of similar size and weight, he's just better without the puck. I'm tired of people reading 'strong two way game' and immediately writing them off as lacking creativity or offensive talent.

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2 minutes ago, Winter Soldier said:

Granlund is no more or less a grinder than Shinkaruk is. If you'd read the thread at all you'd learn that he's of similar size and weight, he's just better without the puck. I'm tired of people reading 'strong two way game' and immediately writing them off as lacking creativity or offensive talent.

exactly........kids who score almost 2 points a game in the WJC aren't lacking in offensive creativity, that's for sure.

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20 minutes ago, bobbyg43 said:

We shall see stawns we shall see.I just more little off by shuffling our lessor developed prospect out the door before he was ready an stock up on another center an yeah heard fromGM no D out there fore this exchange.WTF there are enough reprobates running around all ready shove your dictum where it is needed !

I said I accepted the transaction the timing kind of broadsided me but am fine with it after 2 days

I have an english degree and couldn't follow this to save my life.

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