MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Vancouver is burning over some potential draft picks that could have been acquired for Dan Hamhuis at the deadline. And at the same, the fans and media here are adoring the Toronto Maple Leafs for going full Oilers and gutting their team to the foundation simply to acquire more picks. This is overkill. It is overkill because fans seem to believe that the only way to get players is to have picks. This is not true. With good scouting, undrafted players can play just as big of roll as drafted players. Just look at Alex Burrows. Alex Burrows was a versatile impact player in the regular season and playoffs on this team for a long time. Chris Tanev is another one. He is an impact top 4 defenseman that was undrafted. Eddy Lack. Eddy Lack was going to be Mike Gillis's starting goaltender. He isn't doing great in Carolina but he is still in the NHL. So if a top 6 forward, a top 4 D man and a starting goalie isn't enough to prove to you that picks aren't the be all and end all, then I don't know what is. I am going to laugh when our scouts find another undrafted gem while the Leafs bomb on a few of their draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Sure, thsoe are good examples but you will rarely find elite talent undrafted. Tanev and Burrows are good players, yes, but they are not elite by any stretch of the imagination. You draft because that is the easiest way of getting good young players and has the best chance of drawing elite talent (typically in the 1st round). Based on our needs, we need an elite defenceman, and a good scoring forward. You probably can't find that undrafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Henrik and Daniel Sedin were top 3 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luongotv Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 You know who else was undrafted? Martin St. Louis, Ed Belfour, Peter Stastny, and Brian Rafalski.... BUT so was Vukie Mpofu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Time Lord said: Henrik and Daniel Sedin were top 3 picks. Hall and Yakupov were 1st over all picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Dane Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 why doesn't this management give Dane Fox a shot in the AHL, 5 games sink or swim. He is what your talking about but guess what management has yet to acknowledge the guy. Ask benning if he even knows who dane fox is. lol 46 points in 52 games in the ECHL for fox -6 rating with a whopping 80+ Pim minutes. 22 goals and 24 assists, yet management doesn't mention the guy or even give him a shot in the freaking AHL. CLAP CLAP benning. tthis is all I can find lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, LolClarkson said: Hall and Yakupov were 1st over all picks So were Ovechkin and Crosby. Picks with a good scout aren't overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 You're going to have a bad time if you bank on building your team with diamonds in the rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Spotted Zebra said: So we're Ovechkin and Crosby. Picks with a good scout aren't overrated. We will get our high picks. But the point of the thread is for the people who think its the end of the world because we didn't get a 4th or 5th for Hamhuis. And for the people who think the Leafs are world beaters for getting so many random picks. Hansen was a 9th round pick I think.. They don't have 9 rounds anymore. So basically he is undrafted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Really? The players you mentioned are complimentary players which could never carry a line on there own. Pretty much every elite number 1 centre in the league today was drafted in the 1st round and majority of those in the top 5. Bergeron and O'Reily I think we're in the 2nd round. You can find serviceable players undrafted but I'll take those leafs picks you mentioned over your undrafted signing any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: why doesn't this management give Dane Fox a shot in the AHL, 5 games sink or swim. How is he doing ? Is he staying out of trouble ? Maybe he is getting relegated for being an old regime player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Pajamas Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, LolClarkson said: How is he doing ? Is he staying out of trouble ? Maybe he is getting relegated for being an old regime player. the least they can do is give the kid a shot in the AHL, the knock was his skating, and his coach has stated many times Fox has improved his skating. Yet, lol welcome to the benning era, were guys who have skill, eg fox has a great release) will be either traded or not acknowledged! GO WIN THAT BOARD BATTLE FOR BENNING NOW lol guy gets rid of shinkurak and now they still don't even give Fox a chance. Like it will kill them to give him 5 games in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, High and Inside said: Really? The players you mentioned are complimentary players which could never carry a line on there own. Pretty much every elite number 1 centre in the league today was drafted in the 1st round and majority of those in the top 5. Bergeron and O'Reily I think we're in the 2nd round. You can find serviceable players undrafted but I'll take those leafs picks you mentioned over your undrafted signing any day of the week. Top 4 D men and starting goalies are not complimentary. If you were to redo all of the draft years, undrafted players like Burrows would make the draft. The point is, scouting is what matters. Not the pick in itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Sometimes we get great undrafted players like Burrows and Tanev, other times we get great depth with our low picks, like Hansen, Edler and Hutton. There is no reason to strictly go the college route or strictly go the junior route. The Canucks did both and were really good for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Inside Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, LolClarkson said: Top 4 D men and starting goalies are not complimentary. If you were to redo all of the draft years, undrafted players like Burrows would make the draft. The point is, scouting is what matters. Not the pick in itself Eddie Lack isn't even really a starting goalie in Carolina as Cam Ward is still pretty the much the main guy. As far as Tanev goes I think he is serviceable but as a top defenceman I think your overrating him and you don't build your defence core around him but he can be a guy that helps your top d play better. Burrows got lucky that he had all the time playing with the Sedins and yes he is a complimentary player. Your correct scouting is important and errors in the 1st round year after year are killer but at the same time drafting well in the late rounds are critical as well. Having as many picks as you can improve your odd and managing assets like Hamhuis and Vrbata are critical to ensure we get the return necessary. Come draft day I want as many bullets in the chamber as possible.. Sure you going to hit some duds but eventually you'll strike. Yes we should scout undrafted players but expecting to find elite players on that pile is slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 What the Canucks need is another top flite top d and 1C picks to build around. Maybe drafting some 2rounders for once instead of trading them would be good too. The team cycle is occurring with the Sedins on the downward of their career and the team results dropping off respectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Its not even about who they could draft... Pocks are excellent currency to trade for rfas like the dougie hamilton, oshie, and saad trades last year. The picks we would have got yesterday would appreciate in value to a high in the days leading to the draft. We would be better stationed for a hockey trade with a cap tight team. I guarantee there will be nhl players between 23 to 28 years old about to be paid that teams cant keep with the state of the cap. We are set up well money and cap wise just not asset wise and those picks if even just another 2nd or the 2nd from the ducks we moved so quickly would have put us in excellent position to capitalize and get an asset at the best possible price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat James Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, LolClarkson said: Hall and Yakupov were 1st over all picks Yakupov has been the biggest first overall bust of the 21 century. I'd take Hall over Burrows or Tanev all day everyday. In fact, I'd take Hall over every player on the Canucks except for Daniel and Henrik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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