Z Hockey Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I like the recent Shinkaruk-Ma. Granlund Trade, albeit losing Shinkaruk has left us without another playmaking winger in our pool with high end potential, Baertschi is the only real young distributing winger in our lineup now who can slow the pace down and set up. Plenty of centres who play that style and can be moved to the wing (McCann, Granlund, Vey, Cassels, and potentially Zhukenov), but I think adding another high end playmaking winger to the pool would be useful and smart. Rodin and Jasek have that potential but are gambles and Vey is an uncertainty, Virtanen, Boeser, Grenier all have skill but are run and gun type wingers. Insert Alex Nylander, I know everyone wants a D man with the high pick we will have, but time and time again we've seen and know we take the "BPA". With the 6th-11th overall pick I say take Alex Nylander, he replaces what Shinkaruk was/could've been on the left side, he's got arguably some of the biggest offensive upside of all the forwards in the draft, he has the pedigree from Michael and William, and there's no better mentors for his development then fellow Swedes in the Sedins. If Columbus lets us have the Torts compensation pick this year (it's a 2nd in 2016, 17, or 18), then we will have 8 picks and plenty of chances to draft D men. I've done extensive research on this draft and all our picks and all the forwards and D men likely to be in the top 12-15. (Thoughts, ideas, feedback, other Draft ideas, Draft trade suggestions??) A. Nylander-Horvat-Boeser Baertschi-McCann-Granlund/Virtanen Etem-Granlund/Cassels-Vey/Grenier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Shinkaruk is a goal scoring winger and let's not get too crazy with his high end potential. Nylander looks good but I don't know if he fits the mold of what this team wants....but then again that makes the assumption I know anything about what management wants and that is categorically false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Shinkaruk is a goal scoring winger and let's not get too crazy with his high end potential. Nylander looks good but I don't know if he fits the mold of what this team wants....but then again that makes the assumption I know anything about what management wants and that is categorically false. Shinkaruk has playmaking qualities as well, he can snipe and pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I like Alex Nylander, and wouldn't be mad if we got him. But it's not like we traded Shinkaruk for a defenseman, or even like a powerforward. Granlund is a scoring winger center, who already has decent work put in on his two-way defensive game, allowing him to have real NHL experience and actually crack a lineup immediately. Benning's plan isn't that Granlund stays this good, but rather becomes what we wanted Hunter Shinkaruk to be in the first place. I liked Shinkaruk, but Granlund should be able to replace him fine by himself. Nylander though would be a good pick up in the 8-10 range, although I think we need to focus on a defensman. Still, BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manroth19 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 If we are taking a winger in that spot id be taking Dubois over nylander in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Getting Tkachuk would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlaevang Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Couple of things. That was a well-thought out OP and I agree with most of what is in there. In the coming draft there are a number of players I would love to grab with that first pick. While Nylander is nice and does fill a need for us, there are other players that I would love to grab instead. It all depends where we pick. If we crack the top five, we almost certainly will take one of Pjuljarvi, Laine or Chychrun depending upon which pick we have and who has already been taken. If we are picking between 6-10 we almost have to take a franchise RHD with that pick. With that said, if we are taking a forward with pick 6-10 Matt Tkachuk would be awesome for this franchise. His father was a fantastic player in his own right (talk about pedigree!) and his size and skill are what I perceive to be a prototypical "Benning" player. Dmen like Sergachev and Juolevi would be hard to pass on. Our most glaring need is not to replace Shinkaruk though, we have plenty of young forwards who could potentially do that. Our biggest need is on defence. If it were me, unless we are picking first or second I would take a defenceman. We have passed on franchise defencemen several times (Shea Weber the most recent) and where has it gotten us? Without solid D, you don't win championships. Prime example is Pittsburgh during the Lemieux years. They had all the offence in the world and won the cup, what, twice at most. If there was some way we could grab him and a defenceman in the first round that would be different. But I think the primary needs of the Canucks need to be addressed first before we address our secondary needs. If we can't keep the puck out of our zone, then we aren't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 If Tryamkin pans out by seasons end then we wont be so bad especially with Huttons play. Edler Tanev Hutton Sbisa Hamhuis Tryamkin I would then look to package Edler, McCann and a couple mid round picks for Drouin. Imagine our team in 2-3 years: Drouin Horvat Boeser Baertschi Granlund Virtanen Sedin Sedin Hansen Gaunce Sutter XXXXX Hutton Tanev Tryamkin Subban Hamhuis Sbisa Pedan XXXXX Demko Markstrom And it can only look better if you think of potential draft picks/ufas to upgrade on certain positions. I dont think we will suffer like the oilers, we got this. Jeez give us Matthews and we will show the oilers how it is done! Imagine going into next year with these lines. Sedin Sedin Hansen Baertschi Matthews McCann Gaunce Horvat Virtanen Burrows Sutter Etem Edler Tanev Hutton Sbisa Hamhuis Tryamkin Pedan Subban Markstrom Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 On 3/5/2016 at 8:09 AM, Alflives said: NO! How many Steelheads games have you watched this season? If your answer is > 0, I probably won't believe you anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Toews said: How many Steelheads games have you watched this season? If your answer is > 0, I probably won't believe you anyway It's not anything against young Nylander; I accept he's a much better player than his older brother. It's we need to draft a top D with our first pick, and there are four good ones in the top 15. IMHAO, unless we get the first pick overall, we should trade down to the point where Sergachev is picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Alflives said: It's not anything against young Nylander; I accept he's a much better player than his older brother. It's we need to draft a top D with our first pick, and there are four good ones in the top 15. IMHAO, unless we get the first pick overall, we should trade down to the point where Sergachev is picked. I like Alex but William is the more cerebral player. Alex will need to make considerable progress if he wants to be better than his older brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Toews said: I like Alex but William is the more cerebral player. Alex will need to make considerable progress if he wants to be better than his older brother. I compare William to Vey - cerebral, but passive. Alex is more of a gritty player, and heavier too. He plays a more direct game. Alex is already IMHAO a better player than William. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 You have the top 5 who are BPA, after that it is a bit of a crap shoot. Although Nylander probably bolts on to the top 6. There is potential for Nylander to be a Daniel Sedin replacement as our first line LW, like now Naslund passed the torch to Sedin. Maybe not a bad pick at all, even if he won't be the popular choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 On March 6, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Toews said: How many Steelheads games have you watched this season? If your answer is > 0, I probably won't believe you anyway Picking Alex Nylander with our first pick is just not happening. If we pick any player from that team, it will be McLeod, who is a centre. And McLeod is bigger, faster, more skilled, and competes harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 On 3/4/2016 at 6:33 PM, DontMessMe said: Getting Tkachuk would be awesome Is Tkachuk related to this man ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaerToBo Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The thing I like about our draft position is pretty much whoever is there has star potential. 4 star d-men in Chychrun Juolevi Sergachev and Bean which are all solid. Then theres potential 1st line forwards in Matthews Laine Puljujarvi Tkachuk Nylander Dubois Mcleod Nylander. Its an exciting draft and whoever we pick I think will greatly benefit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadsetter1 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The only way I am happy with us taking Nylander is if we trade down from the 4th Pick to the 10th, even then i could see us taking a dman, either Bean, Sergachev or Julejovi. Nylander is a highly skilled prospect, however I have heard he lacks some of the mental aspects of the game that his brother has. (wish the canucks had drafted william nylander). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The only reason to draft Alex Nylander would be if we managed to trade for his older sister. Then we'd have the next generation of Canucks Swedish siblings, not quite Daniel and Henrick, but a boy and a girl is okay too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 On 04/03/2016 at 1:07 PM, hlaevang said: Couple of things. That was a well-thought out OP and I agree with most of what is in there. In the coming draft there are a number of players I would love to grab with that first pick. While Nylander is nice and does fill a need for us, there are other players that I would love to grab instead. It all depends where we pick. If we crack the top five, we almost certainly will take one of Pjuljarvi, Laine or Chychrun depending upon which pick we have and who has already been taken. If we are picking between 6-10 we almost have to take a franchise RHD with that pick. With that said, if we are taking a forward with pick 6-10 Matt Tkachuk would be awesome for this franchise. His father was a fantastic player in his own right (talk about pedigree!) and his size and skill are what I perceive to be a prototypical "Benning" player. Dmen like Sergachev and Juolevi would be hard to pass on. Our most glaring need is not to replace Shinkaruk though, we have plenty of young forwards who could potentially do that. Our biggest need is on defence. If it were me, unless we are picking first or second I would take a defenceman. We have passed on franchise defencemen several times (Shea Weber the most recent) and where has it gotten us? Without solid D, you don't win championships. Prime example is Pittsburgh during the Lemieux years. They had all the offence in the world and won the cup, what, twice at most. If there was some way we could grab him and a defenceman in the first round that would be different. But I think the primary needs of the Canucks need to be addressed first before we address our secondary needs. If we can't keep the puck out of our zone, then we aren't going anywhere. I would be estatic to get Laine and Day with our 1st 2 picks. +1 for this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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