RetroCanuck Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1. The Canucks have the third worst Goals For in the league with 150. The worst New Jersey 140(is beating them in the standings) and Toronto at 149... If you only have one more goal then TORONTO at this time of year you need to change something come summer because thats just sad. 2. The Canucks are third worst in wins.. The big W! Guess who they're beating?... Toronto and Edmonton, no big surprise there, I mean you'd hope you'd beat them... but at this time of year you might as well lose to them, just so you have the potential to be better in the future with a high pick. 3. Canucks have had 12 OT losses(highest in league) this year. You could say this is good because they're getting points out of games but if you can't win some more of those then your not going far. 4. Noticeable increase in young player development. Wether your looking at Hutton, Bo, Virt, Sven, Etem and even Mccann have shown at times that they can be good NHL players in the future. 5. Noticeable decrease in some veterans. Vrbata, Burrows, Dorsett, Higgins, Prust are all having terrible years. 6. Goaltending is looking great now and in the future. With both Miller and Markstrom playing great and with Demko on the way we are solid on the goal line. The Canucks could have a promising future and even though we need some mentors we need to start cutting loose are unproductive players to give us the ability to bring in good young new talent. Let me know what you think management should do, who to cut loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Season Count: 4,756 pretty goods 19,844 goods 64,387 real goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGeorgeGoon Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Dorsett doesn't have great stats but I believe this management really values him. He works hard, he steps up for his teammates and he gets the odd point. Having more of that would have us ahead of this position. He's a grinder. I would however tend to agree about the other names. Others have noted when you take a bieksa out of the lineup and don't replace if not improve over him , your going to feel it. When you take a Kesler type and trade for a bonino then a sutter who has scored over 20 goals once, and has been out most of the year.. we are feeling it. So what's different about the canucks because every team deals with injury? Depth. We're in the middle , we're a few years late on bringing the young guns up. We're 4 years ahead of where New York is going to be. And we're two years ahead of where toronto is going to be. We've been spending two years with players who are essentially leases just filling a spot a temporary spot until out kids grow up. We are paying the price for bringing people in short term. We have guys told from day one they are here until we need to make room. It's not very motivational and we've suffered from the lack of inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Looking at next year, I see this: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baerstchi - Horvat - Virtanen ______ - ______ - Etem ______ - ______ - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ ______ - ______ Miller/Markstrom UFA's on the current roster: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Bartkowski RFA's on the current roster: Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Granlund I wonder how centermen Sutter, McCann, Granlund, Vey will all fit. A couple of players would have to move to the wing. As for defence, our third pairing may look a bit different, but it's hard to say, as we may see some surprises at Training Camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden17 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 28 minutes ago, PrinceGeorgeGoon said: Dorsett doesn't have great stats but I believe this management really values him. He works hard, he steps up for his teammates and he gets the odd point. Having more of that would have us ahead of this position. He's a grinder. I would however tend to agree about the other names. Others have noted when you take a bieksa out of the lineup and don't replace if not improve over him , your going to feel it. When you take a Kesler type and trade for a bonino then a sutter who has scored over 20 goals once, and has been out most of the year.. we are feeling it. So what's different about the canucks because every team deals with injury? Depth. We're in the middle , we're a few years late on bringing the young guns up. We're 4 years ahead of where New York is going to be. And we're two years ahead of where toronto is going to be. We've been spending two years with players who are essentially leases just filling a spot a temporary spot until out kids grow up. We are paying the price for bringing people in short term. We have guys told from day one they are here until we need to make room. It's not very motivational and we've suffered from the lack of inspiration. i agree about dorsett although he really needs to stop taking stupid penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlight Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Looking at next year, I see this: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baerstchi - Horvat - Virtanen ______ - ______ - Etem ______ - ______ - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ ______ - ______ Miller/Markstrom UFA's on the current roster: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Bartkowski RFA's on the current roster: Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Granlund I wonder how centermen Sutter, McCann, Granlund, Vey will all fit. A couple of players would have to move to the wing. As for defence, our third pairing may look a bit different, but it's hard to say, as we may see some surprises at Training Camp. Burrows as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just got internet for the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Start cutting loose players to bring in young new talent? Agent 99 just got Maxwell Smarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 6 hours ago, oldnews said: Start cutting loose players to bring in young new talent? Agent 99 just got Maxwell Smarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 8 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: 1. The Canucks have the third worst Goals For in the league with 150. The worst New Jersey 140(is beating them in the standings) and Toronto at 149... If you only have one more goal then TORONTO at this time of year you need to change something come summer because thats just sad. 2. The Canucks are third worst in wins.. The big W! Guess who they're beating?... Toronto and Edmonton, no big surprise there, I mean you'd hope you'd beat them... but at this time of year you might as well lose to them, just so you have the potential to be better in the future with a high pick. 3. Canucks have had 12 OT losses(highest in league) this year. You could say this is good because they're getting points out of games but if you can't win some more of those then your not going far. 4. Noticeable increase in young player development. Wether your looking at Hutton, Bo, Virt, Sven, Etem and even Mccann have shown at times that they can be good NHL players in the future. 5. Noticeable decrease in some veterans. Vrbata, Burrows, Dorsett, Higgins, Prust are all having terrible years. 6. Goaltending is looking great now and in the future. With both Miller and Markstrom playing great and with Demko on the way we are solid on the goal line. The Canucks could have a promising future and even though we need some mentors we need to start cutting loose are unproductive players to give us the ability to bring in good young new talent. Let me know what you think management should do, who to cut loose? 1,2 and 3 = Rebuild with young (not drafted from top 5) rookies, hellish injuries (some to key players) and chronic loss of form from some vets. As for cutting loose some unproductive players, I would say we are already doing that considering this rebuild hasn't even been going 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 9 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: ... The Canucks could have a promising future and even though we need some mentors we need to start cutting loose are unproductive players to give us the ability to bring in good young new talent. Let me know what you think management should do, who to cut loose? We've already done that haven't we? Prust, Higgins and Weber to the AHL and not likely to be here next year. Burrows could be bought out but I think they'll let his deal run out. Hamhuis is a question mark but it seems likely they bring him back. They said Hansen was to valuable to trade at the deadline and the new management is the one who signed Sbisa and Dorsett to their contracts. Benning has stated a few times the Sedins will retire here. Not sure who else you suggest they cut loose to improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 8 hours ago, oldnews said: Start cutting loose players to bring in young new talent? Agent 99 just got Maxwell Smarted. Hmm...pretty radical concept. I need time to think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 9 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Looking at next year, I see this: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baerstchi - Horvat - Virtanen ______ - ______ - Etem ______ - ______ - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ ______ - ______ Miller/Markstrom UFA's on the current roster: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Bartkowski RFA's on the current roster: Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Granlund I wonder how centermen Sutter, McCann, Granlund, Vey will all fit. A couple of players would have to move to the wing. As for defence, our third pairing may look a bit different, but it's hard to say, as we may see some surprises at Training Camp. Where does Lucic fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, alfstonker said: 1,2 and 3 = Rebuild with young (not drafted from top 5) rookies, hellish injuries (some to key players) and chronic loss of form from some vets. As for cutting loose some unproductive players, I would say we are already doing that considering this rebuild hasn't even been going 2 seasons. Taking too long man. Team sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Looking at next year, I see this: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baerstchi - Horvat - Virtanen ______ - ______ - Etem ______ - ______ - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ ______ - ______ Miller/Markstrom UFA's on the current roster: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Bartkowski RFA's on the current roster: Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Granlund I wonder how centermen Sutter, McCann, Granlund, Vey will all fit. A couple of players would have to move to the wing. As for defence, our third pairing may look a bit different, but it's hard to say, as we may see some surprises at Training Camp. If this management has any smarts and cohones they will be trading Hansen at his peak for a haul. Love Hansen and how he plays but the window for this team doesn't correlate with his peak production. If we sell now (at the draft) the Canucks can accelerate the rebuild. If the Canucks hold on to Hansen it's going to be Burrows all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Looking at next year, I see this: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baerstchi - Horvat - Virtanen ______ - ______ - Etem ______ - ______ - Dorsett Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ ______ - ______ Miller/Markstrom UFA's on the current roster: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Bartkowski RFA's on the current roster: Baertschi, Vey, Etem, Granlund I wonder how centermen Sutter, McCann, Granlund, Vey will all fit. A couple of players would have to move to the wing. As for defence, our third pairing may look a bit different, but it's hard to say, as we may see some surprises at Training Camp. sedin sedin Hansen Beartschi Stamkos Sutter Etem Horvat Virtanen Gaunce Mccann Dorsette Burrows Edler Tanev Hutton Demers Pedan Sbisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 2 hours ago, elvis15 said: We've already done that haven't we? Prust, Higgins and Weber to the AHL and not likely to be here next year. Burrows could be bought out but I think they'll let his deal run out. Hamhuis is a question mark but it seems likely they bring him back. They said Hansen was to valuable to trade at the deadline and the new management is the one who signed Sbisa and Dorsett to their contracts. Benning has stated a few times the Sedins will retire here. Not sure who else you suggest they cut loose to improve the team. As we get to fewer and fewer of the old guard (deadwood?) it seems that we notice them more and more. Burrows and to some extent Edler do seem oddly out of place/out of time (literally). It's a balancing act: not about bringing in new ppl while not losing cohesion, but rather something new for us: balancing what someone will be over the course of 2 yrs (Edler, Burrows) vs. what someone might become over the same length of time, if given a chance to learn on the job. How good can Gaunce get? Is Pedan capable of replacing Edler as soon as this Fall? Will a drafted Chychrun or Sergachev allow the D to become immediately better and thus free of stop-gap players like Bartkowski and Weber. Can we imagine being able to upgrade by moving Edler for a younger player -- one we may be drafting/developing in less than 6 months? Our offense is suffering not only because we lack quality replacements for the Sedins, but I think more critically because we lack D that can get the puck back and immediately transition to attack. We need 5 more Huttons, some of whom will have to be very unpleasant to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I feel like cutting loose. Pants around my ankles. What's next? Oops did I just write that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Granlund - Sutter - Etem Gaunce - McCann - Dorsett Burrows There will be another log jam of forwards next season, meaning there will definitely be some moves during the draft / free agency. I can't envision Burrows will be back in some way as he doesn't really fit on this team moving forward. Of course, this is assuming we resign Etem and Granlund (but I can't see why not since we traded for them). Also, we might get a Laine or Puljujarvi (fingers-crossed) at the draft so that could cause some shuffling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Granlund - Sutter - Etem Gaunce - McCann - Dorsett Burrows There will be another log jam of forwards next season, meaning there will definitely be some moves during the draft / free agency. I can't envision Burrows will be back in some way as he doesn't really fit on this team moving forward. Of course, this is assuming we resign Etem and Granlund (but I can't see why not since we traded for them). Also, we might get a Laine or Puljujarvi (fingers-crossed) at the draft so that could cause some shuffling I agree that it will come down to a choice between Burrows and Dorsett. IMO Dorsett stays as he is much faster and still plays a physical game. You moved Sutter to 3C and I suggest he gets a look at 1RW as it gives two C options on the #1 line. I also suspect McCann sees AHL time next year unless he comes to camp with 10 pounds added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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