HKSR Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I did a search on here and didn't see anything posted on this, but if there is, mods, please merge or delete. A huge congratulations to Jaromir Jagr for tying Gordie Howe for 3rd in all-time NHL points. I still remember when he was drafted... we really should have taken a chance. Oh well, Jagr probably wouldn't have had as successful of a career in the Canucks organization lol. In my mind, the Top 3 in all-time NHL points are: 1. Gretzky 2. Howe 3. Jagr Gretzky is Gretzky. Nobody is gonna get nearly 3000 career points unless the game changes dramatically. Howe is #2 in my books because he actually had 500+ points with the WHA before the NHL. So theoretically, he lost several seasons of 'NHL' points. Same could be said with Jagr after spending a few years in the KHL, and some lockout shortened/lost seasons. Bottomline, Messier sucks lol. Ok, maybe he doesn't suck all-time, but he's not Top 3 in my books. Anyways, congrats again to Jagr. We need to cherish these final years with Jagr as we are literally watching a legend on ice at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, HKSR said: I did a search on here and didn't see anything posted on this, but if there is, mods, please merge or delete. A huge congratulations to Jaromir Jagr for tying Gordie Howe for 3rd in all-time NHL points. I still remember when he was drafted... we really should have taken a chance. Oh well, Jagr probably wouldn't have had as successful of a career in the Canucks organization lol. In my mind, the Top 3 in all-time NHL points are: 1. Gretzky 2. Howe 3. Jagr Gretzky is Gretzky. Nobody is gonna get nearly 3000 career points unless the game changes dramatically. Howe is #2 in my books because he actually had 500+ points with the WHA before the NHL. So theoretically, he lost several seasons of 'NHL' points. Same could be said with Jagr after spending a few years in the KHL, and some lockout shortened/lost seasons. Bottomline, Messier sucks lol. Ok, maybe he doesn't suck all-time, but he's not Top 3 in my books. Anyways, congrats again to Jagr. We need to cherish these final years with Jagr as we are literally watching a legend on ice at the moment. This whole section was exactly what the Sportsnet crew reiterated yesterday... And nobody considers Messier a top 3 player of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Jane Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 the top 3 players of all time are 1. Gretzky 2. Jagr 3. Lemieux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 23 minutes ago, Patrick Jane said: the top 3 players of all time are 1. Gretzky 2. Jagr 3. Lemieux Jagr is a legend, and arguably one of my favourite players all-time. But he is not the 2nd best player to play the game. Orr and Lemieux are undoubtedly ahead of him on that list, and I'd also be very hesitant to put him ahead of Howe. For sure top 10 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Jagr is gold, but he's no Bobby O. It's been an absolute treat as a fan to watch Jagr's entire career as it unfolds, he's definitely in the top 20 greatest of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yeah he did tie Gordie Howe in points last night, but, remember Gordie played several seasons in the WHA to be with his two sons as well. Jagr might be still chasing #9 if it were not for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, johngould21 said: Yeah he did tie Gordie Howe in points last night, but, remember Gordie played several seasons in the WHA to be with his two sons as well. Jagr might be still chasing #9 if it were not for that. And Jagr spent years playing over seas, if he had never left the NHL he would have passed Gordie years ago. 1 Orr 2 Mario 3 Gordie 4 Gretzky 5 Jagr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1. Lemieux 2. Gretzky 3.Orr 4.Bossy 5.Howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I finally have to admit he is the best player from Europe all time. (previously that was Peter Stastny for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Petr Nedved Not a bad pick I guess but dizzam. I always thought Mario could take over a game like no one else. 1. Lemieux 2. Orr 3. Gretzky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 It's from a few months back so not a big deal, but in case you're interested in the discussion: And at his age it seems he might start getting one of these every year! But man, he keeps on ticking, adjusting his game from a fast, scoring threat to a more complete player still capable of picking you apart. He's definitely in the conversation with Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr and Howe. Lidstrom deserves some recognition too, as do others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 hour ago, gurn said: And Jagr spent years playing over seas, if he had never left the NHL he would have passed Gordie years ago. 1 Orr 2 Mario 3 Gordie 4 Gretzky 5 Jagr I counted 6 seasons for Howe in the WHA, and 4 seasons for Jagr in Europe. Apples and oranges argument, but I beg to differ. Gordie piled up the points at his advanced age too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, johngould21 said: I counted 6 seasons for Howe in the WHA, and 4 seasons for Jagr in Europe. Apples and oranges argument, but I beg to differ. Gordie piled up the points at his advanced age too. Apples and Apples argument, just more or less apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 minute ago, gurn said: Apples and Apples argument, just more or less apples. Lol! We'll never know for sure tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 As a hockey fan I've been fortunate to have lived during this era. I've seen all these guys play live: Orr- I was just a kid Mario Wayne Teemu Peter- Forsberg and Stasny Stevie Y Joe Sakic Jagr Alexander- Ovetchkin and Mogilny Pavel- Datsyuik and Bure Dale Hawerchuck Bossy Trottier and on and on. So fortunate to have seen so many amazing Hall Of Fame players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Passed Gordie. His longevity is astonishing. He was drafted only a year after Bure and the same year as Gino. Insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 On 04/03/2016 at 2:18 PM, gurn said: Apples and Apples argument, just more or less apples. actually, not even that many less apples, because people forget that Jagr played a couple of half seasons in Europe during half-year lockouts. So it's more like 5 seasons he wasn't producing points in the NHL during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Jagr would be second in my list of all time greats. When you consider that he lost three years of stats from his years in the KHL along with the lockout, Jagr would effectively be chasing Gretzky and probably be pretty close. Jagr NHL GP 1613G 743 A1108 Pts 1851 and you add his KHL stats 155gp 66g 79A 145 pts. He'd be 1768gp 809g 1187 A 1996pts. Gordie Howe had 1767gp 801G 1049A 1850Pts. The difference is big. Gretzky Jagr Howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I remember the first year Jagr showed up with that big curly hair, he was fast and sly. The Jagrmeister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He just hit 50 points for the 20th time as per thescore, he's one of five players to ever do so. http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/980118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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