IBacon Strips Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 First, the Canucks should resign Hamhuis for anything under $4m. When this is done we are going to have a surplus of defenseman, but most of them are just average. Hutton, Edler, Hamhuis, Sbisa, and Pedan are all LH while we only really have 1 bonafide top 6 RHD (Tanev). Tryamkin and Lars are also RHD, but I'm not expecting a huge impact by both of them next year. To Col: Edler + Kenins + 2016 7th To Van: Barrie + 2017 4th This would actually give the Canucks a pretty respectable D core next year while also getting another top 4 RHD and a PP threat. Kenins and Edler are both still very useful, but we have a surplus of their positions. The real difficulty of this trade is that Edler has a NmC, but a change of scenery and the opportunity to play on a very talented team that will be more competitive than the nucks next year might convince him to waive. Colorado gets a good bottom 6 forward and a solid top 4 D that will most likely cost less than Barrie, who's probably going to get 6.5 AAV. Hutton-Tanev Hamhuis-Barrie Sbisa-Tryamkin Any of Pedan-Biega-Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku101 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Barrie's too good for Edler Kenins and a 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Goku101 said: Barrie's too good for Edler Kenins and a 7th Why? He looks like a one way D. How is he an upgrade on Subban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku101 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Why? He looks like a one way D. How is he an upgrade on Subban? He puts up a good amount of points usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Goku101 said: He puts up a good amount of points usually So does Subban. Shouldn't JB see what Subban does up here before trading? Oh ya, I forgot - JB doesn't think of things like that - SHINKARUK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: How is he an upgrade on Subban? Are you serious right now? I accept he's better now, because he's a developed player. If the point is to develop a Cup core, then is where Barrie is now higher than where Subban will be in five years? Is either of those players a piece (for their salary) on a Cup team? I see Barrie as no better than Subban (potentially) and Barrie is going to be a big money ticket. My meds are kicking in. Maybe you can help me with this future value conceptual thinking? ps. I've been liking young W. Nylander's game off the puck. Don't spread that around here though - okay? I think he and Jake would be one hell of a tandem. Again, don't let the cat out of the bag, unless it's to cook it (Melmacian saying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 21 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why? He looks like a one way D. How is he an upgrade on Subban? Because he puts up points in the NHL and not AHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Just now, Blueberries said: Because he puts up points in the NHL and not AHL? Future core guy for the right Cap dollar though, better than what Subban will become for his Cap? Is Barrie too old to mesh with the coming core? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBacon Strips Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 32 minutes ago, Goku101 said: Barrie's too good for Edler Kenins and a 7th Barrie and Edler don't differ vastly in value when you look at contract situation so adding in Kenins and a late pick (I'd give up any pick round 5-7 or a 4th next year and not take a pick back) is probably enough without overpaying. Colorado has a ton of money tied up in forwards and they also just signed beauchamin and Eric Johnson to relatively pricey contracts. At most Edler+Kenins+4th in 2017, anything more isn't really worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaerToBo Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 2 hours ago, IBacon Strips said: First, the Canucks should resign Hamhuis for anything under $4m. When this is done we are going to have a surplus of defenseman, but most of them are just average. Hutton, Edler, Hamhuis, Sbisa, and Pedan are all LH while we only really have 1 bonafide top 6 RHD (Tanev). Tryamkin and Lars are also RHD, but I'm not expecting a huge impact by both of them next year. To Col: Edler + Kenins + 2016 7th To Van: Barrie + 2017 4th This would actually give the Canucks a pretty respectable D core next year while also getting another top 4 RHD and a PP threat. Kenins and Edler are both still very useful, but we have a surplus of their positions. The real difficulty of this trade is that Edler has a NmC, but a change of scenery and the opportunity to play on a very talented team that will be more competitive than the nucks next year might convince him to waive. Colorado gets a good bottom 6 forward and a solid top 4 D that will most likely cost less than Barrie, who's probably going to get 6.5 AAV. Hutton-Tanev Hamhuis-Barrie Sbisa-Tryamkin Any of Pedan-Biega-Lars I would be more interested in either trading Edler for Hamonic or Edler for a mid first then sign Demers and re-sign Hamhuis. Then having Hamhuis-Tanev Hutton-Demers Tryamkin-Larsen Pedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Would take more then that to get Barrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Why? He looks like a one way D. How is he an upgrade on Subban? Come on alf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: Come on alf... In five years, when our young core is ready to compete for a Cup (hopefully) will Barrie be an upgrade on Subban? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: In five years, when our young core is ready to compete for a Cup (hopefully) will Barrie be an upgrade on Subban? I don't think so. Barrie is only 24. On top of that he has 149 points in 251 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Future core guy for the right Cap dollar though, better than what Subban will become for his Cap? Is Barrie too old to mesh with the coming core? You have a ton of faith in Subban, however I just don't see him being on Barrie's level and there also is the fact we don't know if Subban can play in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: In five years, when our young core is ready to compete for a Cup (hopefully) will Barrie be an upgrade on Subban? I don't think so. Backpedal backpedal backpedal backpedal... In 5 years Barrie should be constantly putting up 65 points a season. Subban will be lucky to have 65 NHL points total in 5 years due to him needing a couple more years in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickjim23 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 5 hours ago, Alflives said: So does Subban. Shouldn't JB see what Subban does up here before trading? Oh ya, I forgot - JB doesn't think of things like that - SHINKARUK. I'm a bigger adversary of Jim Benning than anyone on this forum but I would praise him if he got Barrie for a decent price... Subban is an AHL player with very questionable positioning issues and size issues... Barrie is a seasoned NHL d-man who can put up 50+ points a season consistently... and putting up similar PPG in the NHL than Subban is putting up in the AHL... Idk how you can even come up with this saying that Barrie wouldn't be beneficial for us and because we have Subban we shouldn't acquire him. Hahahahaha. Guess you don't like good, young hockey players on the Canucks... Okay then... I would trade 10 Subbans for a Barrie. This post has really shown that you don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettAdv_7 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 21 hours ago, BaerToBo said: I would be more interested in either trading Edler for Hamonic or Edler for a mid first then sign Demers and re-sign Hamhuis. Then having Hamhuis-Tanev Hutton-Demers Tryamkin-Larsen Pedan I'd agree with that. I really do think that Edler needs to be the one to go in order to make room. The fact that he is so fragile in who he is partnered with really frustrates me, and his inconsistency doesn't help either. UFA Demers makes a lot of sense if we can limit the UFA overpayment, because like you said, we'd gain an extra 1st rounder in the process. Then we'd take BPA and a defenseman in the first round. I'm down for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 really bad trade as Edler has said he WILL NOT BE TRADED!!!!Edler gets the right partner he is solid and seems us trying out more D men next year he might get his partner and shine as he has in the past!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 On March 11, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Alflives said: In five years, when our young core is ready to compete for a Cup (hopefully) will Barrie be an upgrade on Subban? I don't think so. There isn't even a guarantee Subban makes the NHL, and if he does he likely isn't much better than Weber given his defensive struggles and small size. If we are choosing Barrie or Subban you are insane to choose not picking up Barrie because of Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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