Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I just realized something about what Stan Bowman did, surprisingly it was very poor asset management.... It started with the Sharp trade, Sharp was traded to the Stars for cap reasons, it was To Dallas: Sharp Johns To Hawks: Daley Garbutt Chicago lost a 25-30 goal scoring winger and a C+ future shutdown D man prospect, but got a veteran top four D with exceptional skating ability who can pot 25-30 points and a top 9 winger who's proven he can pot 15 goals and bring plenty of speed and grit. Then they traded Daley to the Pens for Scuderi, Pittsburgh is the clear winner now albeit Chicago had to gain cap space and Daley apparently just wasn't "fitting in". Seems fine until Chicago traded Garbutt to Anaheim for Sekac, Sekac is a still 23 year old sniper with decent upside, but Garbutt was bringing everything he should and even playing on the top line at times, no reason for this trade. Then they traded Scuderi who is barely still an effective top 6 shutdown D man at 37 for Ehrhoff. Ehrhoff is pushing 34 and maybe can still pot 20 points from the back end. Then they waived Sekac the night after he had an assist and lost him to the Coyotes and he's still only 23 and still has potential. So the only piece remaining from the Sharp trade is a declining puck moving D man who will likely walk as a UFA like he has the past two summers. All in All the Stars still have Sharp who is producing and Johns who's looking like he has a future as a top 6 D man, Anaheim has a decent top nine forward who strengthens their cup run, Arizona has a potential future top six winger, Pittsburgh has an effective top 4 D man, and LA has a depth D man for their cup run. The Blackhawks managed to turn Sharp, Daley, Garbutt, Sekac, Scuderi, and Johns into Ehrhoff.... I understand they needed cap space for deadline moves and adding Ladd, but this is atrocious asset management IMO and Ehrhoff hasn't looked great as a Hawk so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I pointed this out a while ago, the response you're going to get is "well they have 3 cups". Its still horrible asset management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: I pointed this out a while ago, the response you're going to get is "well they have 3 cups". Its still horrible asset management Exactly, don't think they'll win this year, Washington, Anaheim, Dallas, LA, NYR are all too deep and St. Louis too especially that they're getting healthy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: I pointed this out a while ago, the response you're going to get is "well they have 3 cups". Its still horrible asset management That's all that matters though. Say horrible asset management, I say horrible cup management by almost every other team... And how can you say horrible asset management when they are always contenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: I pointed this out a while ago, the response you're going to get is "well they have 3 cups". Its still horrible asset management #1 3 Cups. #2 Hawks will be just fine. If it all crumbles from here on out then so be it because #1. I'm not very familiar with their farm team, but my buddies are Hawks fans and like some of their recent draft picks. Not to mention the young guys already in the lineup. Every Canuck fan on Earth would trade for this "bad asset management" if it meant struggling through 3 Cups in 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, JV77 said: That's all that matters though. Say horrible asset management, I say horrible cup management by almost every other team... And how can you say horrible asset management when they are always contenders? Because you got rid of usefull players for absolutely nothing. Asset mangement and winning a cup are two separate things. But people will continue to use it as an arguing point because it sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, JV77 said: That's all that matters though. Say horrible asset management, I say horrible cup management by almost every other team... Exactly. It's one thing to say horrible asset management with those moves, yet entirely ignore their development of other assets they've acquired and developed. No reason to list them all, just look at their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Exactly, don't think they'll win this year, Washington, Anaheim, Dallas, LA, NYR are all too deep and St. Louis too especially that they're getting healthy again. Rangers? Washington Florida Conference Finals. Chicago LA in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, JV77 said: That's all that matters though. Say horrible asset management, I say horrible cup management by almost every other team... And how can you say horrible asset management when they are always contenders? Every other contending teams moves look a lot better and this is a new season and playoffs, Chicago hasn't won squat this year frankly and probably won't, bad asset management will start losing you cups and maybe even playoffs. Turning an Olympic 30 goal winger, a 20-30 point top four D man, a 30 point top nine winger, a 23 year old potential top six forward, a veteran top six D man, and a C+ D prospect into a top six D man who maybe can get 15-20 points and likely will walk as a UFA is nothing to shrug off due to past Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Gstank29 said: Because you got rid of usefull players for absolutely nothing. Asset mangement and winning a cup are two separate things. And after getting rid of useful players for absolutely nothing, they are still contenders...How does that work? Look at how many players they had to trade after the 2010 run. And yet still remained a contender. After the 2013 cup, they had to move key players and still remained a contender. After the 2015 cup, they had to trade key players. And again still a contender this year. People have said that they aren't gonna be good anymore after ever single cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Every other contending teams moves look a lot better and this is a new season and playoffs, Chicago hasn't won squat this year frankly and probably won't, bad asset management will start losing you cups and maybe even playoffs. Turning an Olympic 30 goal winger, a 20-30 point top four D man, a 30 point top nine winger, a 23 year old potential top six forward, a veteran top six D man, and a C+ D prospect into a top six D man who maybe can get 15-20 points and likely will walk as a UFA is nothing to shrug off due to past Championships. They don't need to make many moves when you have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, and Seabrook locked up. And I would say getting Ladd is a pretty good move. Who has won anything this year? Last time I checked playoffs haven't even started. And I'm sure you like many others said they will be bad after every cup run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Just now, JV77 said: And after getting rid of useful players for absolutely nothing, they are still contenders...How does that work? Look at how many players they had to trade after the 2010 run. And yet still remained a contender. After the 2013 cup, they had to move key players and still remained a contender. After the 2015 cup, they had to trade key players. And again still a contender this year. People have said that they aren't gonna be good anymore after ever single cup... And what do they have once that Core is gone or slows down? Nothing even close to replacing it. My point is if your going to complain about Bennings assest management then you should look at how a cup contender manges there players/assets, its even worse yet we pick on Benning...... I will also point out that they have been lucky with some of there UFA signings (which even they would admit too) and draft picks. Its takes a bit of luck to be good. Also if you look at the moves Bowman has made compared to what Tallon did in Chicago you would see that all Bowmen has done is turn over his roster here and there. The main core is all Tallon. Interesting how things appear until you put them into prospective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, JV77 said: They don't need to make many moves when you have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, and Seabrook locked up. And I would say getting Ladd is a pretty good move. Who has won anything this year? Last time I checked playoffs haven't even started. And I'm sure you like many others said they will be bad after every cup run. And Crawford has proven quite capable of stealing games in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: And what do they have once that Core is gone or slows down? Nothing even close to replacing it. My point is if your going to complain about Bennings assest management then you should look at how a cup contender manges there players/assets, its even worse yet we pick on Benning...... I will also point out that they have been lucky with some of there UFA signings (which even they would admit too) and draft picks. Its takes a bit of luck to be good. Also if you look at the moves Bowman has made compared to what Tallon did in Chicago you would see that all Bowmen has done is turn over his roster here and there. The main core is all Tallon. Interesting how things appear until you put them into prospective. Their core is fairly young and I'm confident Bowman will do fine. Every year they have new kids in their lineup. Saad, Shaw, Tevo, lose Saad, in comes Panarin this season. Seems like you and the OP rather have good asset management that cups... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Green Building said: Rangers? Washington Florida Conference Finals. Chicago LA in the west. Yes Rangers, Nash recently came off an injury, think when he gets going, they also have arguably the best D corp in the league, and just added Eric Staal. Forget about that acquisition did you? Nash-Stepan-K. Hayes E. Staal-Brassard-Zuccarello Kreider-O.Lindberg-J.T. Miller Glass-D.Moore-Stalberg/Fast Girardi-McDonagh Yandle-Boyle M. Staal-Klein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gstank29 said: And what do they have once that Core is gone or slows down? Nothing even close to replacing it. My point is if your going to complain about Bennings assest management then you should look at how a cup contender manges there players/assets, its even worse yet we pick on Benning...... I will also point out that they have been lucky with some of there UFA signings (which even they would admit too) and draft picks. Its takes a bit of luck to be good. Also if you look at the moves Bowman has made compared to what Tallon did in Chicago you would see that all Bowmen has done is turn over his roster here and there. The main core is all Tallon. Interesting how things appear until you put them into prospective. It takes a bit of luck to put together a run like LA and Chicago have done. You're the first poster in this thread to mention Benning about Chicago's asset management, unless you and JV have prior discussion about it I don't see your point at all. Chicago has 3 young players that could turn out deadly. Even if only 1 does they'll still be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, JV77 said: Their core is fairly young and I'm confident Bowman will do fine. Every year they have new kids in their lineup. Saad, Shaw, Tevo, lose Saad, in comes Panarin this season. Seems like you and the OP rather have good asset management that cups... Just pointing out that CDC seems to try and relate the two when they have nothing in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Gstank29 said: Just point out that CDC seems to try and relate the two when they have nothing in common. I personally think trying to critique Chicago is just kinda dumb. I mean if that franchise isn't as good as you can get, then every other team is miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Gstank29 said: Just point out that CDC seems to try and relate the two when they have nothing in common. Just who is this 'CDC' character? Sounds like someone I'd like to meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex425 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It does seem Blackhawks get blown out a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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