Threadsetter1 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 There is so much talk about where we will finish in the lottery and who we will end up picking, however, there is a very good chance we don't land a top 3 pick and snag Matthews or one of the fins. Say we end up with a pick in the 5-7 range, I think we should consider trading down. My reasoning behind this is that there is no consensus number one defenceman in this years draft, therefor, by trading down we can add assets while at the same time getting a dman of similar if not equal standing as we would have picking somewhere between 5th and 7th. My theory is that chycrun will be the first d man taken and as he is a very good d man he is not necassarily an Aaron Ekblad, but closer to a Darnell Nurse potential (considering their similar physical maturity and play style). With the direction I see our d-core moving (more and more russian) I could see Benning selecting Sergachev if he is available in the 9-13 range. If not Julejovi, Bean or even Fabbro are players comparable to him. By trading down we would also be able to aquire another young asset, I see Carolina as a potential trade partner. To Carolina: McCann, 3rd 2017, 6th Overall Pick To Vancouver Hayden Fleury, 12th Overall Pick Carolina is in need of good young forward prospects and with young defensmen like Faulk, Hanafin, McKeown, Murphy and even Trevor Carrick, Fleury should become available. 12th Overall Pick = Sergachev Our future D-Core looks as follows: (3-5 years) Fleury-Sergachev Hutton-Tanev Tyramkim-Subban/Pedan Brisebois This D-Core is set for many years to come and will be a capable, strong group. Vancouver will be a tough team to score on especially with Demko or Markstrom in net. This also gives room for Brisebois/Pedan/Subban or Tyramkin not to pan out as their will be lots of depth in the system. If we have reached or are soon to reach an agreement with Hammer then Edler could become expendable at the draft. I don't see it likely to happen, but I could see him being moved with a + for a mid first round pick. To Detroit: Edler, Vey To Van: 18th Overall Pick 18th Overall Pick = Kiefer Bellows/Max Jones/Clayton Keller This pick gives us another talent similar to McCann, which we lost in the original trade with Carolina. Keller is especially exciting imo and could turn into a Kyle Turris type player. Future roster could look like (After Sedins): XXXXX-Horvat-Virtanen Baertschi-Keller-Boeser Granlund-Sutter-Rodin Gaunce-Cassels-Etem Fleury-Sergachev Hutton-Tanev Tyramkin-Subban Brisebois-Pedan Demko Markstrom Looks like a contender to me. The only holes I see are potentially at a 1C (Horvat could max out at a very good 2C) and an Elite Left Winger. I could see us aquiring one in free agency or more likely through the draft before that time. Let me know what you think in terms of trade value/ how realistic the proposal is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Im confused why are we giving them more value to move down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 do me a favour and go look at what Flames top pick sean Monahan has done in back to back seasons. We need a guy who can score, Horvat is at best a two way guy, we need a guy who can light the lamp we don't have that yet in our prospect pool and the only guy who has some potential to be the guy you want to trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 lol we are giving them a 1st.. move up another 7-8 spots for a better pick.. and then another 3rd round? what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 no need to trade up or down just select the best player available BPA = adding a high end player to our roster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 minute ago, rawkdrummer said: no need to trade up or down just select the best player available BPA = adding a high end player to our roster! Bingo.. If you try to trade up or trade down then you're the trader and will likely not end up winning the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 We overpay in the first deal, Detroit doesn't need Edlers cap hit, I'd only trade McCann for a high end D man in the 23-27 year old range, like Shattenkirk, or in a deal for a high end young playmaking winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 10 hours ago, Gstank29 said: Im confused why are we giving them more value to move down? That was my thought. Typically a trade down deal has the 1st as the only piece, with maybe a small secondary piece added to get a little extra from the other team. For instance, we could move our first plus a more developed prospect for both of Carolina's firsts (one being from LA). I haven't looked much into the draft, particularly at the position those picks would be in, but that would be a more typical trade. Carolina could look to go this route if they were looking to start to compete now but with some recent moves I'm not sure if they're back to a retool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 10 hours ago, Threadsetter1 said: To Carolina: McCann, 3rd 2017, 6th Overall Pick To Vancouver Hayden Fleury, 12th Overall Pick Ugh, seriously? Probably wouldn't trade McCann straight up for Fleury, but we've got to give up the 6th overall, too? Horrible. If Carolina wanted to swap picks, the MINIMUM in return is they give us at least one top prospect. And for the umpteenth time -- McCann is NOT getting traded. I don't know why this idea persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 If we won the lottery, the only trade down we should consider is with the Leafs? Leafs 1st 2016 + 1st 2017 + 1st 2018 for Van 2016 1st overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I think the idea is there, but McCann's value is adding way to much, Replace him with Vey or Granlund, possibly remove the 3rd and it's not a bad idea. But you'd have to be sure Sergachev is available still and at 12 that might be pushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Trade up, trade down, trades, trades all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadsetter1 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 19 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I think the idea is there, but McCann's value is adding way to much, Replace him with Vey or Granlund, possibly remove the 3rd and it's not a bad idea. But you'd have to be sure Sergachev is available still and at 12 that might be pushing it. Could you see Carolina giving up Hanafin possibly for that value? (McCann, 3rd, 6th overall for Hanafin + 12th Overall)? I know Fleury is a great d prospect, one of the best even, but I wasn't sure what his exact value was compared to McCann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Unless you have one of those special Deloreans, there's no point trading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, Threadsetter1 said: Could you see Carolina giving up Hanafin possibly for that value? (McCann, 3rd, 6th overall for Hanafin + 12th Overall)? I know Fleury is a great d prospect, one of the best even, but I wasn't sure what his exact value was compared to McCann. No Hanafin is a D corner stone piece, rumour was boston offered two top 15 picks last year to move up and get him and the canes turned it down. In order for canucks to move down in the draft a team will have to greatly over pay. That's why McCann doesn't make sense, if canes want to move up they aren't going to take our better pick and a top prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, gizmo2337 said: If we won the lottery, the only trade down we should consider is with the Leafs? Leafs 1st 2016 + 1st 2017 + 1st 2018 for Van 2016 1st overall No the 2018 is a lot better than the 2017 draft. Not to mention Toronto isn't going to trade 2 top 5 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Gstank29 said: No the 2018 is a lot better than the 2017 draft. Not to mention Toronto isn't going to trade 2 top 5 picks I didn't say the leafs would realistically do it (of any team crazy enough to do it, it might be them). However, it's the kind of offer your'd need to receive to trade down if you had the 1st overall pick. It would have to be serious overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 We need just as bad a good top young forward so first does not make sense .plus Edler has said HE WILL NOT GET TRADED so please people stop putting him in trades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, cripplereh said: We need just as bad a good top young forward so first does not make sense .plus Edler has said HE WILL NOT GET TRADED so please people stop putting him in trades! Edler said that he wouldn't waive, THREE YEARS AGO. This was in response to the fact that Gillis asked him to waive his NTC within the same year as signing him to it. Since then, Edler has stated that if the team approached him and it was clear that he wasn't part of future plans, he would listen. The guy is far from immovable. In fact, he's very moveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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