Sedin Brothers Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Before the year, the Sedin's were adamant that they thought this team would be okay and we could compete for the playoffs. Only in the offseason did we hear an unreliable report that the Sedin's were fine with rebuilding (no proof). In fact, their attitudes towards the younger players are showing the fact that they are not 100% in for a rebuild, which is what the organization seems to have indicated. With that being said, I could totally envision the Sedin's asking management to waive their no trade clause in hopes to join a contender. With the way this team is going, one would be delusional to think the Sedin's are not even considering it, especially with their frustrations becoming very clear with their body motion and talks on the bench. There are teams that can trade for the Sedin's, especially if they are both retained 50%. Henrik has stated many times he loves Zetterberg and the Swedish environment when playing against Detroit - who are filled with prospects ready to make the jump. The Islanders are also an interesting team to look at, as is a team like Pittsburgh who is losing Malkin, and may still want to win with Crosby at the helm. Look, I understand this idea is controversial because of all the Sedin's have done for us, but it would be foolish to not even entertain the fact. As for Miller, he has clearly shown he can still be a great goaltender and make a difference with his play. He has shown frustrations, and rightfully so. Markstrom will struggle without Miller next year I believe (I think he needs one more year to groom) - and I think Miller has heard the drama all year and last and quite frankly is probably tired of it. I could see Miller asking to move his NTC this Summer also. Before we dismiss the idea, think of the return we could get for these three. I'm guessing at least one first round pick for each Sedin and possibly a 2nd for Miller, unless he continues his elite play, we could also get a prospect. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The Sedin's have earned the right to write their own tickets. If they want to move on we should support that. If they want to mentor a rebuild then we should support that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I don't think anything has changed for the twins. JB made it clear that he wants them to stay here and he won't ask them to waive their NTCs. I don't think they're going to ask for a trade on their own so yes I see them finishing their contracts here. Miller on the other hand, it's a tossup. I would like him to at least start the year here so that we still have 2 good goalies, but I can see him getting traded at the deadline or at least dangled to see what other teams have to offer for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: The Sedin's have earned the right to write their own tickets. If they want to move on we should support that. If they want to mentor a rebuild then we should support that too. I agree with this guy, he knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 24 minutes ago, Sedin Brothers said: Before the year, the Sedin's were adamant that they thought this team would be okay and we could compete for the playoffs. Only in the offseason did we hear an unreliable report that the Sedin's were fine with rebuilding (no proof). In fact, their attitudes towards the younger players are showing the fact that they are not 100% in for a rebuild, which is what the organization seems to have indicated. With that being said, I could totally envision the Sedin's asking management to waive their no trade clause in hopes to join a contender. With the way this team is going, one would be delusional to think the Sedin's are not even considering it, especially with their frustrations becoming very clear with their body motion and talks on the bench. There are teams that can trade for the Sedin's, especially if they are both retained 50%. Henrik has stated many times he loves Zetterberg and the Swedish environment when playing against Detroit - who are filled with prospects ready to make the jump. The Islanders are also an interesting team to look at, as is a team like Pittsburgh who is losing Malkin, and may still want to win with Crosby at the helm. Look, I understand this idea is controversial because of all the Sedin's have done for us, but it would be foolish to not even entertain the fact. As for Miller, he has clearly shown he can still be a great goaltender and make a difference with his play. He has shown frustrations, and rightfully so. Markstrom will struggle without Miller next year I believe (I think he needs one more year to groom) - and I think Miller has heard the drama all year and last and quite frankly is probably tired of it. I could see Miller asking to move his NTC this Summer also. Before we dismiss the idea, think of the return we could get for these three. I'm guessing at least one first round pick for each Sedin and possibly a 2nd for Miller, unless he continues his elite play, we could also get a prospect. Thoughts? I think it's relatively easy to agree to a rebuild, but it becomes difficult to actually go through it when the losses start mounting and a leaden realization sets in. As Timberwolf mentioned, the Sedins can write their own tickets...either way it's fine with me. What I don't want to hear is a bunch of whining from them at any point along the way should they want to remain here. Miller I couldn't care less about. He was just here because this was where a contract was. An expensive stop-gap, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I think we need to be careful not to think we know the minds of the Sedin twins based on one critical post-game statement (and mayb some body language recently). Yes, Daniel expressed some frustration with his teammates. But that doesn't necessarily mean he and Henrik aren't committed to seeing this rebuild through and doing their damnedest to help the young players get better. It might be true that they'd welcome a move to "greener pastures" in a last bid for a Stanley Cup. Or they might still see themselves retiring as Canucks and winding down their careers just as the new core of this team reaches its prime. Who knows (other than the twins themselves)? But in terms of what the Sedins have actually said in the press, there's a lot more evidence to suggest they will stay here than they will leave. Until that changes, I'm going to assume the twins are on board with the rebuild and committed to seeing things through with Vancouver. Ryan Miller, on the other hand, has spoken out repeatedly in recent months about this year not "going to plan" and has suggested that he's not really all that interested in finishing his career on a losing team that's rebuilding and probably years away from competing. So maybe Miller welcomes a trade if he's approached. Or maybe even he gets his agent to push for a move. He certainly doesn't have history here and is much more of a "hired gun" than a couple of Canucks "lifers" like the twins. So I could see Miller moving on if a contending team decided they could use him for their playoff run. Whether or not that team (and interest in Miller) actually exists is hard to say. But I expect the Canucks will investigate that option over the next year or so. And if the twins ever decide they want to move on, they've earned that right and the Canucks will do whatever they can to fascilitate a trade that makes sense for everyone involved. But we really haven't seen anything (yet) to suggest a Sedin trade is in the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Twins on a third line in 2018 will go deep with us, Miller, gone at the draft. Demko coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The Sedins don't seem like they're the type to jump ship so easily. If they do then I'd wish them all the best, but they've put their heart and soul into this team and it doesn't seem their style to quit on the Canucks now. After all, we (probably) would've been competitors this year if it hadn't been for numerous injuries, and I wouldn't be surprised if we made the playoffs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sedins will retire in Van. Next contract for lesser term and lower cap. Miller traded before deadline (if possible - will likely retain salary and get a 2nd). Due the Hamhuis trade deadline non-event, fans might want to temper their dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsofthands Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 this team should put winning over legacy and honor In the nba, the boston celtics traded away all their aging greats and theyre being rewarded heavily for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Positive Canuck said: Twins on a third line in 2018 will go deep with us, Miller, gone at the draft. Demko coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I don't see the twins wearing any other jersey except for Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 this thread from one post game comment. CDC nevers fails to dissapoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowgary Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Sedins will retire in Van. Next contract for lesser term and lower cap. Maybe but why? They have enough $$$, they are in their 30s and they both know a Stanley Cup most likely isnt in the cards. Why risk permanent injury when you have proved all there is to prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 We've entered the dark times and one way or another the Sedins will be gone eventually anyway. If they want to go to a team that has a chance before their contracts expire, I say let them go and lets get a return. As for Miller, he can go right now as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Cowgary said: Maybe but why? They have enough $$$, they are in their 30s and they both know a Stanley Cup most likely isnt in the cards. Why risk permanent injury when you have proved all there is to prove? Only the Sedins can answer your question. Perhaps they think that the Canucks can win a SC within the next 5 years. There's no guarantee of winning a SC by picking a team to sign with. Not too many contenders have the cash or roster room to trade for 2 players. It could turn into a Kesler like situation with only 1 team wanting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkingz Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The Sedins have earned the right to do whatever they feel they want. If they want to stay and retire as Canucks their whole career they have that option (No Trade Clause). If they want to request a trade to have one last kick at the can, they can. I will not hold any choice they make against them. They have provided this organization with years of hard work, blood, sweat, tears and gave us Sedinery. My personal hope is that they decide to stay and we can get them a cup in the next 3-5 years with them as 2nd liners. Then again, I would just be happy to witness the Canucks win a cup in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Honestly with the hopeful continual emergence of Tyramkin, Hutton and Baertschi this year AND some key UFA acquisitions while getting back healthy bodies and removing some of the fluff pieces like Weber / Bartkowski / Prust then I see no reason that we can't compete for a playoff spot. Then of course there is this years draft which will hopefully be a top 3 pick to get a key piece for next year and beyond as well. Sedins' are pretty hard locked in this community and on top of that its pretty hard to trade 2x7m 36 year old players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Sedin Brothers said: There are teams that can trade for the Sedin's, especially if they are both retained 50%. Henrik has stated many times he loves Zetterberg and the Swedish environment when playing against Detroit - who are filled with prospects ready to make the jump. The Islanders are also an interesting team to look at, as is a team like Pittsburgh who is losing Malkin, and may still want to win with Crosby at the helm. Thoughts? There's no way in hell we pay 7 million dollars per year for the twins to play somewhere else. They are fair value for their contracts and will be for 2 more years for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Twins stick an stay and make it pay Miller kinda think he may go before the end of his deal expires, but would not surprise to see him to the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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