EagleShield Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 So, by all accounts, drafting Auston Matthews is the obvious choice at 1st overall. But everything has it's price. What are some deals you'd take to trade 1st overall, should we win it? I'll start with: To ARI - 1st overall (Matthews), 63rd overall (Dineen) To Van - 7th overall (Sergachev), 24th overall (NYR, McAvoy), Dylan Strome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Arizona won't give up strome + for Mathews and a third. We add. But not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Hell no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Keep the pick. Anything else would be foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 The lowest I'd accept back is 4th overall +OEL/Domi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Stop! Just stop it with the trading the first pick $&!#. We need the BPA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stamkos said: Arizona won't give up strome + for Mathews and a third. We add. But not much We sure as hell don't add, we're getting robbed as it is. Either they overpay like crazy or we use the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Baer. said: Keep the pick. Anything else would be foolish. Matthews is the big prize and the Canucks will need a true #1 centre to replace Hank. I couldn't see trading down with either of the top 3 picks. 4-6 for 2 top 15 might work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 No to any offer. Matthews is a cornerstone piece and this team desperately needs a player like that to take the torch from the Sedins. If we got 1st overall, pick Matthews and then the best defenseman available with our high second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 The Canucks have never had the 1st selection in the NHL draft...maybe it would be nice for a change. Adding a 1st line C like Matthews instantly changes the image of this team. A Laine/Puljijarvi doesn't have the same effect on that image if you put the names on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 wtf dude, if we get matthews we keep matthews. thats the end of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I think people saying Matthews or nothing are getting ahead of themselves. Quite frankly the deal proposed by the OP is actually very good. Strome is a future first liner, the 7th overall pick would land us one of the top 3 D in the draft (Serg, Juo, Chy) and the 24th overall pick can net us a future 2nd/3rd liner. First overall nets us a 1st liner, top 2 D and a 2nd/3rd liner. How is that not worth it? I'm not saying that deal would happen, I don't see Arizona doing that and I like Matthews as well - BUT I think its silly just to say no to a trade. If a team is willing to overpay we should be looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 37 minutes ago, EagleShield said: So, by all accounts, drafting Auston Matthews is the obvious choice at 1st overall. But everything has it's price. What are some deals you'd take to trade 1st overall, should we win it? I'll start with: To ARI - 1st overall (Matthews), 63rd overall (Dineen) To Van - 7th overall (Sergachev), 24th overall (NYR, McAvoy), Dylan Strome If we are going to trade with ARZ, it has to include Ekman-Larsson for me. Anything greater than equal in value to Ekman-Larsson + ARZ 1st, I would definitely consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Fateless said: I think people saying Matthews or nothing are getting ahead of themselves. Quite frankly the deal proposed by the OP is actually very good. Strome is a future first liner, the 7th overall pick would land us one of the top 3 D in the draft (Serg, Juo, Chy) and the 24th overall pick can net us a future 2nd/3rd liner. First overall nets us a 1st liner, top 2 D and a 2nd/3rd liner. How is that not worth it? I'm not saying that deal would happen, I don't see Arizona doing that and I like Matthews as well - BUT I think its silly just to say no to a trade. If a team is willing to overpay we should be looking at it. That's not overpayment. Strome is overrated a little, and the 7th is way too much of a dropoff. How about actually usuing the damn pick for someone we can build around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 If we pick in the top 3 you take it and make off like bandits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, khay said: If we are going to trade with ARZ, it has to include Ekman-Larsson for me. Anything greater than equal in value to Ekman-Larsson + ARZ 1st, I would definitely consider. As long as that 1st is 4th or higher, I'm ok with that. Anything lower than 4th and we tell them to get a better pick or pound sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: As long as that 1st is 4th or higher, I'm ok with that. Anything lower than 4th and we tell them to get a better pick or pound sand. OEL + their 1st is the minimum point at which I start to consider trading the 1OA and start negotiations. OEL + their 1st + Domi offer would probably get me to pull the trigger on the trade but I doubt that Arizona would give up 3 major pieces even for Matthews. In the current cap era, OEL + their 1st + Domi is as much as you can overpay for a player and I doubt that is going to happen if anyone learned any lesson from Lindros-Forsberg+++++ trade. Surely, no more Lindros for Forsberg+++++ type trade is going to be happening anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Does trading begin after the Stanley Cup Finals? I think so, which means we can trade our pick(s) [plural if we somehow managed to acquire more top 14 picks] before the lottery. Our pick has tremendous trade value and no pick can guarantee Matthews (as the given/consensus top pick therefore "untradeable"). Whether we finish last, second last, third et cetera, we may get more for our pick before than after the lottery. And if JBTL have their eyes on a particular player who is further down in the draft, they may decide to trade our first before the lottery. Last place = only 20% chance at Matthews; once the lottery is run, the "unknown" is gone, and that "unknown" may be of value before the lottery. If, as OP proposes, we finish last, and if JBTL want for example, Chychrun and believe he will go at 6th, they could trade our pre-lottery 1st down to a pre-lottery 3rd (which could lose all 3 top spots in the lottery and still pick 6th to land Chychrun). Pre-lottery JBTL can extract more value (imo) moving down even if we do not finish last. And even when you do finish last, you are most likely (4:1) to move down from 1st overall. If we waited until after the lottery to trade our pick, it will most likely be worth less than it is worth before the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Jade Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 We've never picked 1st in NHL history... There's no way they're going to trade it unless they have an inside scoop on the draft. Think about it like this: We make that horrible trade you just proposed, then Matthews goes ahead and has an 82-point rookie season. That would be the end of JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Devon Jade said: We've never picked 1st in NHL history... There's no way they're going to trade it unless they have an inside scoop on the draft. Think about it like this: We make that horrible trade you just proposed, then Matthews goes ahead and has an 82-point rookie season. That would be the end of JB. It would be the end of him the second after he made it. The ownership does not want another Gillis situation where they can't allow their GM to make trades for fear of the damage he can cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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