*Buzzsaw* Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I am not one to scream for WD's head, he is not the best tactical coach in the league, but I like the progress of the young guys under him. However, when it comes to the PowerPlay, he and his coaches are just not getting it done. This team does have its problems defensively, but as far as offensive talent, I think there are enough capable scorers on the team to provide it with a decent PP average. But that's not happening. Canucks don't get a lot of PP chances to start with, they really need to find a way to convert a decent number of their chances. From my perspective, the PP is stale. It has fallen into a pattern which is very recognizable, ie. it is based around the Sedins... who position themselves behind the net and on the half boards, and circulate the puck around the perimeter. Someone is in front of the net, that player focuses on being either a screen, or deflecting shots. We have a two shooters from the point... who don't have a lot of success in getting their shots through. The setup is static... once the players get positioned, there is no real movement. The problem is, everyone in the league has seen this setup before... and they know exactly how to counter it. In most instances, the puck circulates around the defensive shell, without any real opportunities for shots from the slot or the low faceoff positions. There are no passes through the center of the defensive shell. Because the attacking players are static, the coverage can deal with them easily. Defeating the PP is a matter of simply preventing centering shots from Henrik or Daniel, and blocking the shots from the point. While obviously the coach has to respect the skill and record of the Sedins, it is also his responsibility to challenge them and get them out of their comfort zone when their play is stale. The PP has to be more fluid... there needs to be more exchanging of positions, and importantly, more movement by the puck carrier to the net to challenge the defense directly and force them to come to him. This might include Henrik and Daniel switching positions, the point shots switching, and players moving in and out of the position in front of the net. The PP also needs to attack the net... something which almost never happens with the Canucks. When the defense is forced to move to counter an attacking puck carrier, it opens up the shell. The puck carrier can either take the puck to the net and attempt to jam it in... or he can pass the puck to someone who moves behind him or lateral to him, that second player then can either shoot, pass the puck again, or move to the slot... all of these focus on taking advantage of the holes opened by the defensive players moving towards the attack of the initial puck carrier. The whole key to creative and successful PP's is in forcing the defensive shell to constantly re-position... to get them rushing to cover multiple threats. That is not happening with the current Canuck's PP. That is a coaching failure... and the coaches need to make changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Crosby Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Henrik needs to move. He can't quarterback from the right boards any more. It doesn't help that there is no actual shooter on the first unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Lets say I give you a record and then ask you to put it in a cd player. When it doesn't work who's fault is it mine or yours? Benning and co have emphasized too much on 200 ft and not enough on skill. We're getting out worked every night in possibly every category but goaltending. If it wasn't for our goalies this year we'd be in last place for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Think how Tampa fans feel. All that talent and only .1% better than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Since they're lacking in options for RHD, I think they should try Hansen on the right point. I suppose he doesn't have the hardest shot but he makes up for it with chemistry with the Sedins. Imagine if a Edler - Hansen PP pairing worked on PP1..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 another buzzsaw thread. i can rest easy tonight. i've grown accustomed to this no personality having powerplay that any change at all, i would be more than happy to see. pass-pass-shoot-blocked-cleared-repeat. it's TV gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Canada Hockey Place said: Since they're lacking in options for RHD, I think they should try Hansen on the right point. I suppose he doesn't have the hardest shot but he makes up for it with chemistry with the Sedins. Imagine if a Edler - Hansen PP pairing worked on PP1..... Well I can't believe after all these years in the league, that some of the smarter coaches have not devised a way to extinguish the Sedin threat during power plays. Add to that the fact they may well be playing injured and they are certainly slower and less pro active makes me come to the conclusion that we should not expect so much success from them now. There is also the fact that the Sedins relied on demon slapshot players like Salo, Ehrhoff and contributions from Edler/ Bieksa none of whom are available and sadly have not been replaced. I actually thought our PP was better when Hank was injured a while back. It was a different, more active style that seemed to move opponents around more and gave more opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanuck Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 c 30% of our salary spend is on the IR, this does not help the PP either. The youth they've been using on the PP has been giving the puck away a lot as well. Team tank is also in play. I wouldn't read too much into it. The PP they use is well known but a lot of the time it is execution which is letting the team down. Plus we don't have a heavy shot on the point to execute the umbrella right now. Therefore our PP will be fairly predictable as we need to play down low, combine this with the lack of skill in the line up not executing and it makes a pretty strong case for the frustration you are feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Our PP doesn't make the goalie move across the crease enough. Passing isn't fast enough, players aren't really moving... It's painfully slow and yes, predictable. In my mind it's all about making the keeper move from post to post frequently. Passes have to be harder, be made by and go to moving players. Supercoach has spoken, now heed Willy, heeeeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Sadly, and this something thing I've noticed in the last bit of this year, but the Sedins are not effective against the elite times anymore on their own. They haven't had a solid linemate since Hansen but last night against the Hawks they were completely ineffective and looked painfully slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 i think LA ,chicago i.e. purposely let the sedin pp cycle around the right side as much as they do knowing they usually stay peripheral. and its old and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 400 passes to the Sedin's without a shot on net doesn't help. This soesn't have to be a fault of the coaches. JUST GET SHOTS TO THE NET!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 The entire league has scouted our PP for years now and we haven't changed it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, chon derry said: i think LA ,chicago i.e. purposely let the sedin pp cycle around the right side as much as they do knowing they usually stay peripheral. and its old and predictable. Absolutely. It's all about containment for the big and skilled teams. They know the Sedins aren't the net presence and don't shoot. been watching a few la games lately and they are monsters in front of each net. sutter has complete control of that team. The forwards go to the net like killers. Every. Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 minute ago, riffraff said: Absolutely. It's all about containment for the big and skilled teams. They know the Sedins aren't the net presence and don't shoot. been watching a few la games lately and they are monsters in front of each net. We already have a monster. Nikita Tryamkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Just now, Stamkos said: We already have a monster. Nikita Tryamkin For sure. It's a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Take a deep breath, fellow Nuck fans. After the draft, this team's top 6 will look a whole lot better. One Matthews or a Fin and an Okposo for the twins and the top 6 looks very competative. Okposo's bullish play changes up the Sedin line completely. Just praying that management doesn't go for Rodin (or Eriksson) with the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 8 hours ago, The 5th Line said: But didn't you see how Chicago beat us with their solid two way game and physicality!? Can you really analyze the way the Canucks are playing right now? They're in a race for last place. The way I see it, they throw in a good period or two to keep fans interested, and then pack it in during the third to ensure they don't move up the standings. Dumb draft system produces boring hockey games unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 minute ago, The Sedge said: Can you really analyze the way the Canucks are playing right now? They're in a race for last place. The way I see it, they throw in a good period or two to keep fans interested, and then pack it in during the third to ensure they don't move up the standings. Dumb draft system produces boring hockey games unfortunately. Some nucks games have been completely tedious indeed. At least in the torts year there was some interesting games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioMomesso Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 The power play went to crap when Sami Salo's play went south. Teams had to respect his one timer which gave the Sedin's more time and space down low. If we want to give the Sedin's any chance of playoff hockey before they retire? The number one thing on Bennings "to do list" should be scouring the earth for a RH dman who can destroy the puck on a one timer with accuracy. And maybe play a little bit of defense too. And if that is going to cost us a high end prospect and Alex Edler? So be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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