TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Okay, I have heard, when two teams are tied, it was wins less ROW. So now I'm looking at Van and TO, both with the same number of games played, TO with more wins, fewer ROW's but Van is ahead of them. I know it is kind of a dumb post but it is relevant to the standings and the draft, which at this point in this season, is something of great interest. At any rate TO, I think, is ahead of the Nucks in every category, except in the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: So now I'm looking at Van and TO, both with the same number of games played, TO with more wins, fewer ROW's but Van is ahead of them. It does not matter which team has more wins. If both teams are tied in points and games played, you directly look at the ROW column. In this case, Vancouver has 23, and Toronto has 22. Thus, putting Vancouver ahead of Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Mad Bro? Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I would rather Toronto get 4 FOA in a row then Edmonton get one more. Ever. I despise that franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Still can't figure that one out. The Nucks have 13 points from OTL's, TO has 7. Trying to figure that out as well. I thought it was points from wins that count. Canucks 27 wins, TO 30 wins. Canucks 4 shoot out wins, TO 6 shoot out wins = Van - 23 W, TO - 24 W Canucks lost both games vs TO. Canucks goals for goals against (plus minus) is worse than TO's. I can't find any combination that the Nucks are superior in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Tie-Breaking Procedure If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order: The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column. The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any ""odd"" games, shall be used to determine the standing. The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against. https://www.nhl.com/standings/league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Heretic said: Tie-Breaking Procedure If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order: The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column. The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any ""odd"" games, shall be used to determine the standing. The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against. https://www.nhl.com/standings/league Considering TO won both games vs the Nucks would that not put them ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, TheGuardian_ said: Considering TO won both games vs the Nucks would that not put them ahead? No, because number 1 applies. It's like the 3 laws of robotics....number 1 > 2 > 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Still can't figure that one out. The Nucks have 13 points from OTL's, TO has 7. Trying to figure that out as well. I thought it was points from wins that count. Canucks 27 wins, TO 30 wins. Canucks 4 shoot out wins, TO 6 shoot out wins = Van - 23 W, TO - 24 W Canucks lost both games vs TO. Canucks goals for goals against (plus minus) is worse than TO's. I can't find any combination that the Nucks are superior in. Toronto does not have 7 OTL, they have 11 OTL. You might want to double check on that again. It is not just wins, it is regulation and overtime wins, shootout wins are not included in the ROW column. Where are you getting 30 Toronto wins from? They only have 28 wins. Vancouver: 27 total wins, 4 shootout wins = 23 ROW Toronto: 28 total wins, 6 shootout wins = 22 ROW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 25 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Still can't figure that one out. The Nucks have 13 points from OTL's, TO has 7. Trying to figure that out as well. I thought it was points from wins that count. Canucks 27 wins, TO 30 wins. Canucks 4 shoot out wins, TO 6 shoot out wins = Van - 23 W, TO - 24 W Canucks lost both games vs TO. Canucks goals for goals against (plus minus) is worse than TO's. I can't find any combination that the Nucks are superior in. Did you even read Vintage's post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Toronto does not have 7 OTL points, they have 11 OTL points. You might want to double check on that again. It is not just wins, it is regulation and overtime wins, shootout wins are not included in the ROW column. Sorry I looked at Edmonton there, but it still doesn't make any difference, TO would still be ahead. NHL.com shows TO with 28 regulation and OT wins and the Nucks with 27, but then has a different column that show regulation and overtime wins with Van - 23 and TO - 22. But both sets of standings still include OTL points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 It goes ROW's, season series, then GF minus GA's. The Canucks have more ROW's than Toronto, therefore they are ahead in the standings. It's gonna be tough to suck as much as Edmonton, so it's only a 2% difference for the lottery between Van & TO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 21 minutes ago, Heretic said: No, because number 1 applies. It's like the 3 laws of robotics....number 1 > 2 > 3. They have played the same number of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, TheGuardian_ said: Sorry I looked at Edmonton there, but it still doesn't make any difference, TO would still be ahead. NHL.com shows TO with 28 regulation and OT wins and the Nucks with 27, but then has a different column that show regulation and overtime wins with Van - 23 and TO - 22. But both sets of standings still include OTL points. No, Toronto has 28 total wins, and Vancouver has 27 total wins. Only the ROW column shows how many regulation and overtime wins each team has, which is Vancouver with 23, and Toronto with 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, TheGuardian_ said: They have played the same number of games. ROW my friend...ROW...Canucks have 23, Leafs 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Heretic said: ROW my friend...ROW...Canucks have 23, Leafs 22. ROW..., wait how do you spell that? Never mind. I figured it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 I think I got it figured out..... You take the number of points from OT and SO but only count the points from shoot out losses in the standings, shoot out wins don't count....WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, TheGuardian_ said: I think I got it figured out..... You take the number of points from OT and SO but only count the points from shoot out losses in the standings, shoot out wins don't count....WTF? Lol. In other words...regulation and overtime wins. See post #2 from 45 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 40 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Still can't figure that one out. The Nucks have 13 points from OTL's, TO has 7. Trying to figure that out as well. I thought it was points from wins that count. Canucks 27 wins, TO 30 wins. Canucks 4 shoot out wins, TO 6 shoot out wins = Van - 23 W, TO - 24 W Canucks lost both games vs TO. Canucks goals for goals against (plus minus) is worse than TO's. I can't find any combination that the Nucks are superior in. The win column hides weather wins are in regulation/overtime/shootout so they differ to the ROW column toronto may have more wins but they win in shootout, thus giving them 2 points but not a win for tiebreaking purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 ROW ROW ROW your Tank gently down the stream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 31 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: I think I got it figured out..... You take the number of points from OT and SO but only count the points from shoot out losses in the standings, shoot out wins don't count....WTF? You are making this more confusing than it should be. Shootout wins do not count towards ROW. And what does points have to do with ROW? Just look at the total regulation and overtime wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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