walgrove65 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 If by chance we end up with a top 3 pick, we likely have to pick a forward (best available player), meaning we don't get our top drafted defenceman that we still likely need. I think we try to turn Edler into some value at the draft .I think Edler would waive for two decent friendly markets, Ottawa (chance to play with another stud swede defenceman) and Phoenix (where Arizoan would give the moon for a steady defenceman as they really only have 2 bonafide nhl defenceman right now and Edler can line up with OEL as another prized swedish combo). Arizona is low stress as well, perfect for Edler's temperament. As this is written van is in 6th from bottom, Arizona 8th. if Arizona has pick 6-10 they may be enticed for a trade for an established defenceman Option 1: Van-Arizona Vancouver sends Edler to Arizona for their 1st pick. van drafts one of the three defenceman they like on top of their own 1st pick. We do this to get younger and free up some cap for some FA spots at other positions (read scorers like Louie E) and gibe youth on defence a chance to get better (and maybe bring hamhuis back) Option 2: Van-Ottawa van sends Edler to Ottawa (+ 2nd/3rd pick if needed) OTT sends Hoffman a LW who can consistently score who becomes our first line LW once sedins retire + top RH defence prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I can see Edler waiving for Ottawa.....but not for Arizona. And I don't think Edler is worth a Top 10 pick. I do like the idea of Hoffman though. I believe he is an RFA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 We'd have to offer more than just Edler straight up to get Arizona's pick. Maybe if it was 2011 Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Edler's age also doesn't coincide with the players that Arizona is trying to build around. I agree that they probably would have done it for 2011 Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 NYI for Hamonic or FLA for Gudbranson or Petrovic are better bets IMO. Both teams are far closer to 'win now' territory and have pretty competitive teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 NTC. reports are he has already not waived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsofthands Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 he has a NTC just stop, every day i see proposals with guys like edler and miller to the &^@#ing oilers or yotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 32 minutes ago, gurn said: NTC. reports are he has already not waived. 8 minutes ago, drsofthands said: he has a NTC just stop, every day i see proposals with guys like edler and miller to the &^@#ing oilers or yotes So did Bieksa and Garrison. And they didn't ask to be traded, like Kesler. They were forced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, drsofthands said: he has a NTC just stop, every day i see proposals with guys like edler and miller to the &^@#ing oilers or yotes I think Eddie might consider Ottawa however I don't think we would like what they would offer in return. I think the best we could hope for would be something along the lines of a 2nd 40thOA and Ben Harpur/Christian Jaros and at that we might have to add honestly. If JB could get that deal done though he should take it rather than hold on to Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Once again, Edler made the statement that he wouldn't waive THREE YEARS AGO. For context, he was asked shortly after word came out and was verified that Gillis had approached Edler to waive his NTC that he had signed within the same year. Edler mentioned, and rightfully so, that he wouldn't waive a clause on a contract he had essentially just signed. Or as he put it: "You don't sign a six year contract with an NTC, to leave town shortly thereafter." It was a truly boneheaded move by Gillis that has gone under the radar. Edler was interviewed by a Swedish publication at the beginning of last year's season regarding the murmurs of being approached by management for a trade, to which Edler said that he would be open to considering it if it was clear that he wasn't wanted, or in his own words: "In the end, I get to decide [for myself]," Edler told Expressen, "but if the team wants [a trade] ... well, then you get to decide whether you want to play for a team that does not want you." So let's just put to bed the idea that Edler is out and out refusing to waive anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 42 minutes ago, drsofthands said: he has a NTC just stop, every day i see proposals with guys like edler and miller to the &^@#ing oilers or yotes As PB noted, that was three years ago and Edler has since softened that stance. (Though I will agree there's almost no chance either goes to the Oilers). As for Miller, he also signed here with the understanding of being clear #1 and being in the playoffs. Next year he'd likely be splitting the net with Markstrom pretty evenly and on a team that could miss the playoffs for a 2nd straight year. Time passes, things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said: I can see Edler waiving for Ottawa.....but not for Arizona. And I don't think Edler is worth a Top 10 pick. I do like the idea of Hoffman though. I believe he is an RFA as well. Wait why would he want to goto Ottawa ? The weather in Arizona is amazing, Ottawa not so much... Taxes probably better in Arizona as well, housing cheaper, western timezone, and more importantly less attention. Anyways I don't think Edler will waive to go anywhere, he's invested here and likes the city too much. Swedes too loyal. I'd rather keep him anyways, I'd rather have him here as a stop gap while Hutton // Tryamkin and others develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Edler is a big clotheshorse and, as Doc Holliday said, a very cosmopolitan sort. Therefore, I can see the Rangers, Islanders, Hawks, Kings, and any other competitive team in a major American city. Although I think playing on a team with a clearly established first defensive pairing would be ideal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, J.R. said: As PB noted, that was three years ago and Edler has since softened that stance. (Though I will agree there's almost no chance either goes to the Oilers). As for Miller, he also signed here with the understanding of being clear #1 and being in the playoffs. Next year he'd likely be splitting the net with Markstrom pretty evenly and on a team that could miss the playoffs for a 2nd straight year. Time passes, things change. Who would willingly want to play, let alone live in Edmonton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Who would willingly want to play, let alone live in Edmonton? If they actually ever start showing signs of life I could see someone choosing to go there for playoffs/cups. They DO have quite the talent pool there. They need to actually show something though before that's remotely going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, J.R. said: If they actually ever start showing signs of life I could see someone choosing to go there for playoffs/cups. They DO have quite the talent pool there. They need to actually show something though before that's remotely going to happen. Yeah...while they do have a decent talent pool, I think whoever keeps taking a squirt in the deep end needs to cut that out though, if they hope to get anyone else interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I for one would keep him unless we did get something big like a 1st!!!!But he is a decent D man that helps in every way so versatile ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Are you talking about this year's first pick from Arizona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I don't see Edler moving... Maybe to the Rangers since he could hang out with Hank and Alain, but he is too comfortable here and he doesn't have to try anymore so why leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 On 4/5/2016 at 11:26 PM, walgrove65 said: If by chance we end up with a top 3 pick, we likely have to pick a forward (best available player), meaning we don't get our top drafted defenceman that we still likely need. I think we try to turn Edler into some value at the draft .I think Edler would waive for two decent friendly markets, Ottawa (chance to play with another stud swede defenceman) and Phoenix (where Arizoan would give the moon for a steady defenceman as they really only have 2 bonafide nhl defenceman right now and Edler can line up with OEL as another prized swedish combo). Arizona is low stress as well, perfect for Edler's temperament. As this is written van is in 6th from bottom, Arizona 8th. if Arizona has pick 6-10 they may be enticed for a trade for an established defenceman Option 1: Van-Arizona Vancouver sends Edler to Arizona for their 1st pick. van drafts one of the three defenceman they like on top of their own 1st pick. We do this to get younger and free up some cap for some FA spots at other positions (read scorers like Louie E) and gibe youth on defence a chance to get better (and maybe bring hamhuis back) Option 2: Van-Ottawa van sends Edler to Ottawa (+ 2nd/3rd pick if needed) OTT sends Hoffman a LW who can consistently score who becomes our first line LW once sedins retire + top RH defence prospect Edler stays!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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